Agree on all levels. All that being said, Shaka is not going to be our next head coach.
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I'd take Shaka. Agree not going to happen. I brought him up b/c of the ridiculous J Rod suggestion. Which truly has a "less than zero" chance. Same as Louisville NCAA odds right? Louisville btw according to one tracking site is currently at 99.9% ncaa odds. Shaka to UR is more like .05%. Less than 1 not less than zero.
Shaka did go to Kenyon, so he's been around a good academic institution in the past. He could live in the Fan again, all would be gravy. We could start a new branded defense with any of the following names - https://www.thesaurus.com/browse/havoc
If the situation ever played out that Shaka would want to come here. I’d take him in a heartbeat. Shake made VCU what it is today. He is a fantastic coach and just because it’s not translating at the P5 level, doesn’t mean he can’t recreate the success he had at VCU at another mid major like Richmond. There’s a lot of reason why Richmond would be a good fit. He’s familiar with the conference, he’s familiar with the city of Richmond, and we have the resources to show we are committed to high success.
However, as much as I’d love to have him as a coach. It seems very unlikely. For one, we don’t know that Texas will fire him at the end of the year. Secondly, Shaka Smart is making $3 million a year at Texas through 2022-2023. No way we can afford the kind of money I’m sure he’ll be asking. Third, Shaka may not want to coach at a school with the academic restrictions we have: even if what posters on here have said is true, regarding more leniency moving forward.
At the end of the day, it is incredibly unlikely that the opportunity even presents itself for Shaka to coach here. If he gets fired from Texas this year, another lower P5 team will likely pick him up. However, if it were to happen hypothetically, he is the perfect hire of a big name coach who will turn things around quickly.
However, as much as I’d love to have him as a coach. It seems very unlikely. For one, we don’t know that Texas will fire him at the end of the year. Secondly, Shaka Smart is making $3 million a year at Texas through 2022-2023. No way we can afford the kind of money I’m sure he’ll be asking. Third, Shaka may not want to coach at a school with the academic restrictions we have: even if what posters on here have said is true, regarding more leniency moving forward.
At the end of the day, it is incredibly unlikely that the opportunity even presents itself for Shaka to coach here. If he gets fired from Texas this year, another lower P5 team will likely pick him up. However, if it were to happen hypothetically, he is the perfect hire of a big name coach who will turn things around quickly.
I'd be all about SS coming to UR. Good basketball and plenty of excitement. It will never happen though. Fun thought.
I feel like "catastrophe" already describes our current defense, so I'm striking that one from the list. I am partial to "rack and ruin."
Casey Alexander of Lipscomb needs to be added to this list. He's doing a phenomenal job there and was a 16-year assistant to Rick Byrd at Belmont.
I'm watching Michigan osu and man JB has some damn passion. I hate Mooney as a coach .. No freaking passion, and he cannot x and o or anything else. Just disgusts me watching good NCAA Basketball bc Nooney so damn bad.
And yes I would strongly consider Luke Yaklich. Announcers said Michigan right up there with UVA as best defensive team in nation. They were not until this guy came there. He us an assistant that has brought clear value.
If you wanted the Shaka connection - we missed that boat when VCU hired Rhoades. I think Rhoades would have been a good fit. But we were one year off - Mooney had just made the quarterfinal of the NIT and won 22 games. Were not getting rid of him them.
So, who’s the leading candidate? Looking forward to new management.
Doc Spidey, would really live to get a look at Hardt's list. We really need a good hire. It's too bad we did not do this three years ago, so we would be rejoicing or back to the same point we are in yet again with Mooney. Instead we will be hoping Hardt nails it. I really hope he does.
Been looking more at Alexander and I could see him fitting for a few reasons. He's a seasoned guy and learned under one of the best for almost two decades but has run his own programs for the past five years and is still going, in his mid 40s.
He plays the same high-octave style offense that Byrd's teams at a Belmont do (Lipscomb is 10th in the nation in scoring), which would be exciting. He is headed for back to back NCAAs with a fledgling D1 program that should be the #3 option in its own city.
He's due for a bump up to our level but likely not P5 just yet. We could probably get him for $650k a year for five years. Lots to like here.
He plays the same high-octave style offense that Byrd's teams at a Belmont do (Lipscomb is 10th in the nation in scoring), which would be exciting. He is headed for back to back NCAAs with a fledgling D1 program that should be the #3 option in its own city.
He's due for a bump up to our level but likely not P5 just yet. We could probably get him for $650k a year for five years. Lots to like here.
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The other factor to this "coaching list" equation is who else will be looking for coaches - especially from P5-P6 leagues. Quick look around and it seems like a lot of the schools struggling in those leagues have fairly new coaches that would not get dumped yet - so that might lead one to believe this would be the year to fire Mooney and you have less competition from the bigger leagues. The downside to this is that if we swing and miss on our top options and those coaches go elsewhere or stay put at current places (probably hoping for better options in the future) - then it shows we are not as desirable as we thought.
I think admissions is the biggest hurdle and pay as well. If the University is only willing to spend around 600K because they are paying Mooney nearly 3 million to buyout his contract, then this will automatically eliminate half the list. I think if we want to make a big splash and make a statement that UR cares about athletics, especially hoops - then you have to be willing to offer new coach same as Mooney or more.
I think admissions is the biggest hurdle and pay as well. If the University is only willing to spend around 600K because they are paying Mooney nearly 3 million to buyout his contract, then this will automatically eliminate half the list. I think if we want to make a big splash and make a statement that UR cares about athletics, especially hoops - then you have to be willing to offer new coach same as Mooney or more.
My gut reaction is we wouldn’t pay someone Mooney money. I also don’t think we’re paying half either. I’d expect it’ll be pretty healthy and hopefully aligned with value.
Tbone - I know its just your words and not those of the AD Department - but when I hear the words "value" - that means we are looking to spend less and stay where we are. Be a team that might be a good NCAA team every 5 years or so.
Its almost the same reason we bash Mooney and his staff in recruiting - they think they are finding good "value" in getting guys under-recruited or under the radar. And sure - some of them, like Kevin Anderson turn into studs. But more times than not - they do not turn into that. So yes - value is there, but I think if the school does decide to break for Mooney, they need to send a message and make a splash hire - either get the hot name right now in someone up and coming, or a big name dropping down from P5, or big name school assistant who has enjoyed much success (UVA).
We talk on this board all the time - what is the mission of the athletics department and basketball team specifically. The actions this offseason will tell us that.
1) Keep Mooney - it shows that basketball and athletics are not that important and we are okay with NCAA appearances followed by mediocre seasons and dry spells.
2) Fire Mooney but hire a "value" coach - Similar to above, shows we care a little bit more, but not enough to try and take the next step.
3) Fire Mooney and go big in the hiring process - Shows we are committed and pushing our chips all in. Says to everyone at UR and in the league we are looking to take the next step and be a consistent contender in the A10 and for NCAA appearances.
Trap, Value doesn't mean "Cheap." There is a middle ground.
For example, Earl Grant makes a $400,000 base salary and collected $30,000 in bonuses for winning the CAA and going to the NCAA. (Mooney makes ~$40,000 per game regardless of result).
If we offered him $750,000 - that's a pretty big raise and still demonstrates a commitment.
For example, Earl Grant makes a $400,000 base salary and collected $30,000 in bonuses for winning the CAA and going to the NCAA. (Mooney makes ~$40,000 per game regardless of result).
If we offered him $750,000 - that's a pretty big raise and still demonstrates a commitment.
There are 29 D1 MBB head coaches who have been with their current teams since 2005-06 (or longer), including our coach. Most of them are the obvious ones you don't even need to bother comparing (Boeheim, K, Self, etc). Of the other 28, here is the list of those with records worse than you know who:
Fran O'Hanlon, Lafayette - Patriot League, NCAA in '15
Mike McConathy, Northwestern State - Southland, NCAA in '13
James Jones, Yale - Ivy, NCAA in '16, upset Baylor
Will Brown, Albany - America East, NCAA in '13,'14,'15
Mike Young, Wofford - Southern, NCAA in '14,'15
Tony Shaver, William & Mary - CAA
Lewis Jackson, Alabama State - SWAC
Barclay Radebaugh, Charleston Southern - Big South
Bill Herrion, New Hampshire - America East
Horace Broadnax, Savannah State - MEAC
The company you keep.
Fran O'Hanlon, Lafayette - Patriot League, NCAA in '15
Mike McConathy, Northwestern State - Southland, NCAA in '13
James Jones, Yale - Ivy, NCAA in '16, upset Baylor
Will Brown, Albany - America East, NCAA in '13,'14,'15
Mike Young, Wofford - Southern, NCAA in '14,'15
Tony Shaver, William & Mary - CAA
Lewis Jackson, Alabama State - SWAC
Barclay Radebaugh, Charleston Southern - Big South
Bill Herrion, New Hampshire - America East
Horace Broadnax, Savannah State - MEAC
The company you keep.
You’re probably reading too much into mybuse if that term. I’m strictly saying that I don’t think UR is likely to overpay. As Broc says, it could easily be a guy who’s currently under 500k but is good value between half a mil to a mil.
I’d be fine if they went gang busters on a mil plus guy but doesn’t seem likely.
12 pages on our Next Coach. This will be an example of utter futility if Hardt doesn’t pull the trigger come March.
Seems too little considering the promise it holds for our program. Inexplicably, we've got 10 pages on a guy that doesn't even play for us anymore.
To be fair the only reason that the thread on Khwan is 10 pages is because one of our members continues to bash him and we defend our own members of the Spider family. If not for that it would have only been a few pages
Becker has been shooting to top of my list. Same with Ryan Odom. Right Annap? I wonder if Wake will be after Odom.
I’d still like Hardt to make plays for Hubert Davis & Chris Fleming first but you know this is Hardt we’re talking about.
Jamion Christian was a guy I named last year before he took Siena. That is solid job historically but he took over total rebuild there. Funny thing is he has connection w Hardt but also been away from Bucknell too. He may be hard to get to leave after 1 year. Not sure where I’d rank him but he’s good & see big things in future too. Shaka connected slightly. The Shaka coaching tree has definitely been successful. We got McGeehan.
I still like Odom at UMBC. He’s got the team winning despite a number of starters
not able to play.
And of course he has the upset of UVA on his list from last year’s tournament.
not able to play.
And of course he has the upset of UVA on his list from last year’s tournament.
Yes, Odom definitely on the list, like all three coaches at the top of that league.
I was big on Rice a couple years back, but cooled after last year. Does seem to have turned it back around this season in conference. Interesting note is that his son will be playing for Nathan Davis next year.
I was big on Rice a couple years back, but cooled after last year. Does seem to have turned it back around this season in conference. Interesting note is that his son will be playing for Nathan Davis next year.
Are you sure?For Nathan Davis or at Bucknell?
Looks like Penn State may be looking. That would really be some competition for some of the guys mentioned here.
It would be nice to get a new, young head coach just on the verge of breaking out. Maybe he'd only stay 3-4 years if he was successful, who knows. But it would be better than some retread like some of the names I've read here.
Pat Beilein is going to be a Division I head coach, probably next year, someplace. I think he's going to be very successful. Why not with us?
Pat Beilein is going to be a Division I head coach, probably next year, someplace. I think he's going to be very successful. Why not with us?
Wood, I could get behind this. I was touting Patrick a couple years ago, and some folks on this board talked me down. I do think he is better than quite a few names we have bandied about on this board. Hoops and coaching is in his blood, just like Dick Tarrant when he took over as an over the hill has been assistant. Gotta think outside the box sometimes. Especially if the stench that PQ and Mooney has created is so bad that our top candidates cannot stand the smell.
Saw this dialogue with FMM. Have to click on link. It’s not about nky or Wright. Always interesting to see what outsiders think. These guys went w 4 connected UR guys some way or another. 3 to Beilein & 1 to Hardt & area. No surprise really.
Of course there is absolutely no reason not to also contact Odom Miller or Becker. 3 I really like. Then u also got more outside box names imo like Hubert, Fleming even Nancy.
Of course there is absolutely no reason not to also contact Odom Miller or Becker. 3 I really like. Then u also got more outside box names imo like Hubert, Fleming even Nancy.
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