Next Coach
- Thread starter spider23
- Start date
- Status
Saw this interesting article in a New Jersey newspaper discussing coaches salaries in New Jersey. I was shocked at some of the amounts listed here, but shows that we will need to pay up. And two guys on this list I think were at one time considerations for UR. Andy Toole at Robert Morris - he makes 500K a year in the NEC. And King Rice at Monmouth in MAAC - he makes 500K too. What was even more shocking was the head coach at Rutgers, a bottom feeder of the Big Ten since they joined makes over 2 million a year.
I think this just shows if we want to play with the big boys (and even the little boys below us in the MAAC and NEC) we will need to pay up for a new coach. Trying to get one for 300-500K as some have mentioned on here in my mind is just not an option. We will need to be in the 750K to 1 million a year range to attract anyone worth considering.
https://www.app.com/story/sports/co...s-heres-what-local-coaches-making/3077562002/
I think this just shows if we want to play with the big boys (and even the little boys below us in the MAAC and NEC) we will need to pay up for a new coach. Trying to get one for 300-500K as some have mentioned on here in my mind is just not an option. We will need to be in the 750K to 1 million a year range to attract anyone worth considering.
https://www.app.com/story/sports/co...s-heres-what-local-coaches-making/3077562002/
Beats 1.2 million for some one that no one is considering
This is the one thread that is really critical. If the next coach discussion is not super ramped up in 4-5 days (I am hoping for a miraculous run - but even if we win two, I can't for the life of me see how we have the legs to compete with Dayton), we are toast. If Mooney is back, you want to talk toxic?
There are a lot of good names out there. We really need a home run to get this program jump started. Not the biggest name, but a guy that can motivate, X and O, and recruit like hell. And if the x and 0 and motivating are the strongest points, he needs to hire a big time recruiter or two.
Tick, tock, Mr. Hardt is on the clock.
There are a lot of good names out there. We really need a home run to get this program jump started. Not the biggest name, but a guy that can motivate, X and O, and recruit like hell. And if the x and 0 and motivating are the strongest points, he needs to hire a big time recruiter or two.
Tick, tock, Mr. Hardt is on the clock.
I’m still pushing for Odom, as UMBC plays for their conference championship.
Does anyone have an example of a D-1 school firing both men’s and women’s coaches at the same time?
Maybe we could be first at something in basketball this year. LOL
Maybe we could be first at something in basketball this year. LOL
Odom would my #1 too. I still like Miller a lot too. Both those guys will be in demand though. One reason you don't wait until end of A10 tourney like hardt did with womens coach. You've had all season to figure this out and got to get ahead of it. I don't see Hardt doing either - making a change OR if remarkably he did, not waiting.
And yes, I am afraid that was 75-125 lbs ago.
No, not Shaka, pav.
No, not Shaka, pav.
Our next coach. Or he should be.
https://sports.yahoo.com/news/son-r...f-nations-most-coveted-coaches-061027730.html
https://sports.yahoo.com/news/son-r...f-nations-most-coveted-coaches-061027730.html
Good article Wood. While there r number of very good options out there I’d still take Beilein in a heartbeat.
Hire that man!
Each Dolphin is required to make 100 free throws every day and chart how many shots it took to get there. (Le Moyne, not surprisingly, is No. 1 nationally with an 81.9 percent free-throw percentage.)
State of the art coaching!! Practicing free throws, boxing out and rebounding! Cutting edge twentieth century stuff compared to our current staff.
Yep K, read a lot of stuff online with the great coaches and there is a lot if fundamentals stressed by these guys. Rebounding and FTS are very teachable. Obviously some players are much more naturally skilled at both, but our consistent bad numbers and performance overall point to coaching.
Patrick and the guy at Swarthmore are really enforcing a high level of practice and execution. Man how nice it would be to get a coach like that again.
Patrick and the guy at Swarthmore are really enforcing a high level of practice and execution. Man how nice it would be to get a coach like that again.
Kinda rooting for CNU to get past Swarthmore tomorrow in the D3 Final 4.
Tangentially connected to "Saving Private Ryan" through his great uncle, Tom Niland.
https://library.canisius.edu/archives/niland
I think we can cross Toole off our list, he is worse than Mooney. Of note though, is that RMU's arena is located in Moon Township, PA. Fitting. Sometimes I find the weird stuff funny.
8legs1dream
Graduate Assistant
When you started this thread in 2018 could you have ever imagined in the year 2022 there would still be no NCAA appearances and the Mooney Train is still rolling on strong?
The really sad thing is that even if we do move on from Mooney I have zero confidence that we will hire the right guy to replace him. I’m sure we’ll probably hire bucknell’s coach or someone from another great academic school with little basketball pedigree.
Wow...that's 4 years ago. Goalposts continually move. The betting line is that we'll be posting to this thread in 2026.
Robert Morris moved after 19-20' to the harder Horizon League from NEC. So that transition is part of it 23. Relative to resources, expectations etc. he's still ahead of Mooney overall. Robert Morris does have a very nice new arena but still hard place to win. He's too close to Mooney in looks and pedigree so take him off list, he was down the list anyway tho the current struggles I think are a little deceiving.
Don't worry I have the list ready...some remain, unfortunately many really good ones are gone because Hardt was too busy at the Regatta buffet line to care. Still po'd about losing out on Ryan Odom for instance. Will refresh with new ones.
Toole has lost some shine because I think they moved conferences and he has been the victim of kids leaving and transferring up. They are 2-10 this year, so he will need another NCAA appearance before anyone touches him.
I think at one time people wanted Pat Beilein, but he got fired from Niagara for some "transgressions" with the Director of Operations, but he is now back coaching againin the TBL (The Basketball League) with the Syracuse Stallions? So cross him off the list.
I would expect at some Ivy League coaches like James Jones from Yale or in the Patriot going the predictable Bucknell route if they are able to turn it around in their league quickly.
But the biggest elephant in the room is UR does not care enough about athletics to pay Mooney anywhere between 1-2 million to NOT coach, and then pay the next coach, somewhere around 750-1 million per year.
I think what is more likely to happen, they just let Mooney contract run out. Knowing we will not be good the next 2 years anyways. Or if he somehow turns this year around and makes the NCAA tourney - give him a short extension. I just don't see them firing him and paying him to leave.
I think at one time people wanted Pat Beilein, but he got fired from Niagara for some "transgressions" with the Director of Operations, but he is now back coaching againin the TBL (The Basketball League) with the Syracuse Stallions? So cross him off the list.
I would expect at some Ivy League coaches like James Jones from Yale or in the Patriot going the predictable Bucknell route if they are able to turn it around in their league quickly.
But the biggest elephant in the room is UR does not care enough about athletics to pay Mooney anywhere between 1-2 million to NOT coach, and then pay the next coach, somewhere around 750-1 million per year.
I think what is more likely to happen, they just let Mooney contract run out. Knowing we will not be good the next 2 years anyways. Or if he somehow turns this year around and makes the NCAA tourney - give him a short extension. I just don't see them firing him and paying him to leave.
Gkiller, yes there were some good names. Some misses, I admit to being wrong about Nathan Davis, but agree with you on Odom, I think he would have been a good one. Also Wes Miller. What ever. As trap notes, this 2018 conversation may be had again in 2024. Groundhog Day. Again, and again.
John Hardt. Regatta. T-shirt now available.
John Hardt. Regatta. T-shirt now available.
I'd buy that shirt T-day.
btw I'd also still buy the John/Pat Beilein combo in a sec. yes Pat is rebuilding career after Niagara, I think he was going to do great there but he messed that up. But groom under John for a few years & revitalize career if it worked out...why not...I acknowledge that's a real longshot in many ways.
Getting Kenny Atkinson or Chris Fleming out of NBA longshots too but sign me up for either of those.
As far as current coaches no brainers top of the list guys start with...
Casey Alexander
Bob Richey
Casey has been mentioned before on here, the issue there is can we get him out of good gig with Belmont, having coached and played there. And we'd have to bring out Brinks truck for him as the less than mil amount wouldn't work for him. Plus you need extra cash to work with Hardt. Think it would take more than Mooney $ given his situation and what he makes now. But you try.
yeah I think so too. But whether that's Richmond idk...it would excite me but Belmont is going to MVC next season so conf wise more comparable to A10, and he may feel like his next job he can make a bigger jump. But could actually be good timing to make a move now before the MVC switch in case they struggle initially and he doesn't lose value.
1 other name I neglected & think should be list is John Becker at Vermont. For whatever reason maybe he's not the sexy hire but he continues to get it done year after year.
I'm never good at this game but we would attract a lot of good mid major candidates. We play in a great league, top notch facilities, pay well and shoot all they have to look at is how Mooney has milked the crap out of a mediocre record for 17 years here and realize they pretty much got a long term gig going here as long as they aren't screwing co-eds or something of that nature.
We got a business school that can teach our AD about ROI and sunk costs right? Sometimes you have to pay an employee to go away. It sucks but way better than keeping an underperforming employee around to keep underperforming.
I totally agree, and I would have paid that sunk cost after the back to back losing season of 18 and 19. But you are assuming the school cares about athletics, cause if they did - they would have paid it already.
Instead - I think what is more likely to happen - just let him ride out his current contract. But we will dig ourselves a deeper hole as recruiting will suffer, assistants will abandon ship to find their next job and the cupboard will be extremely bare for the next coach. Not to mention - I think you send the message you don't care to the next coach, and therefore, some possible candidates will not what to consider UR. They will fear administration is not invested enough to win and get them to the next level - which I think might be correct.
- Status
