Yes. For the life of me, I cannot figure out how their NET ranking is so high. Their first game - a 44 point win over Army - must have had some crazy efficiency metrics that broke the formula. But they immediately lost to Army the next day.
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Colgate scenario is why NET is going to be a challenge. The whole PAtriot Leagues is playing only conference games ( save Army and Navy I believe) so how do you compare them to anyone else??
For those of us interested in reverse engineering the net algorithm, situations like Colgate are super informative.
This season, with reduced inter conference play, will make metrics less accurate in general. Hopefully this is taken into account by the selection committee.
This season, with reduced inter conference play, will make metrics less accurate in general. Hopefully this is taken into account by the selection committee.
Yeah, Colgate definitely benefiting from that Army win somehow. One of the few connections outside of the Patriot so far.
In other news, Fordham only trailed Davidson 45–44 a few minutes ago, but the Wildcats are now on a 16–0 run to open things up.
In other news, Fordham only trailed Davidson 45–44 a few minutes ago, but the Wildcats are now on a 16–0 run to open things up.
This is why it would have been nice to get a couple blowout wins. Clearly the point margin is factoring into a few teams' rankings in the NET. Colgate has 3 wins of 40+ points, and even though they are against garbage teams, that seems to be driving the ranking.
Loyola beat UNI by 40 something and immediately jumped up like 30 spots. Utah State (I know, I know, they have a couple nice wins recently) got fat on SEVEN Q4 games and was way up in the rankings as a result.
We need to stick it to Fordham and GW or whoever else is awful this year and not let up. It could make the difference in the end.
Loyola beat UNI by 40 something and immediately jumped up like 30 spots. Utah State (I know, I know, they have a couple nice wins recently) got fat on SEVEN Q4 games and was way up in the rankings as a result.
We need to stick it to Fordham and GW or whoever else is awful this year and not let up. It could make the difference in the end.
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Davidson's RPI actually dropped 4 spots with a 15-point win over Fordham...will be interesting to see what happens with the NET tomorrow. The NET and RPI are particularly out of sync on Davidson, as their RPI is all the way down around 140.
Let's beat Broad Street by 80 in the game at Robins and by 60 at the Seagull and that would resolve the issue.
At the risk of (re)opening a can of worms, it also counsels towards keeping your best players in for longer to keep the efficiency metrics strong...
True, and stupid that this should ever matter. They thought they maybe fixed that by taking the point spread out of it, but when you beat a team by a lot, your efficiency will be real good. So, yes, the bigger the margin, the better, but it is also supposed to matter who you play, so Colgate should not be getting so much NET love for beating bad teams by a lot. That is crazy.
Spiders jump up five spots to #50, passing VCU, Furman, Winthrop, UNC, Pitt, and Seton Hall, but getting leapfrogged by Bona, which moved up 15 spots to #42 thanks to their win over VCU.
Davidson managed to stay a Q1, and Loyola is all the way up to #30. Wofford continues creeping toward a Q2, while URI and Kentucky are hanging in there as Q2s. Morehead is just barely hanging on as a Q3.
Current A-10 rankings:
16. SLU
42. Bona
50. UR
57. VCU
70. URI
73. Davidson
104. Dayton
107. UMass
173. Mason
174. Duquesne
212. La Salle
249. St. Joe's
263. GW
328. Fordham
Our NET résumé:
Q1 (2–1)
21. WVU (A)
30. Loyola (N)
73. Davidson (A)
Q2 (2–1)
42. Bona (H)
70. URI (H)
93. Kentucky (A)
Q3 (4–0)
81. Wofford (H)
166. Vanderbilt (A)
173. George Mason (A)
200. Morehead St. (N)
Q4 (1–1)
179. Hofstra (H)
216. UNI (H)
Davidson managed to stay a Q1, and Loyola is all the way up to #30. Wofford continues creeping toward a Q2, while URI and Kentucky are hanging in there as Q2s. Morehead is just barely hanging on as a Q3.
Current A-10 rankings:
16. SLU
42. Bona
50. UR
57. VCU
70. URI
73. Davidson
104. Dayton
107. UMass
173. Mason
174. Duquesne
212. La Salle
249. St. Joe's
263. GW
328. Fordham
Our NET résumé:
Q1 (2–1)
21. WVU (A)
30. Loyola (N)
73. Davidson (A)
Q2 (2–1)
42. Bona (H)
70. URI (H)
93. Kentucky (A)
Q3 (4–0)
81. Wofford (H)
166. Vanderbilt (A)
173. George Mason (A)
200. Morehead St. (N)
Q4 (1–1)
179. Hofstra (H)
216. UNI (H)
That Loyola win is looking better and better.
Spiders fell 8 spots to #60. But it’s the 1–2 record against Quad 4 that’s the real nail in the coffin.
To find the next-highest ranked team with a losing record against Quad 4, you have to scroll....and scroll....and scroll...all the way to #214. Ironically enough, it's Northern Iowa, our Quad 4 win.
Spiders move up three spots after today's win. SLU dropped 11 spots, while Dayton moved up 15. Davidson continues to move up. Hofstra is on the verge of moving up to a Q3 loss, while La Salle isn't too far off either. URI bouncing back and forth between Q2 and Q3.
Loyola just keeps moving up...if they move up one more spot, they'll be a coveted Q1a win. Amazingly, Kentucky is benefitting from a strong SEC even though they're losing most of their games...they're only 5 spots away from becoming a Q1 win for us.
Current A-10 rankings:
31. SLU
42. Bona
44. VCU
57. UR
66. Davidson
76. URI
90. Dayton
112. UMass
161. Mason
164. Duquesne
176. La Salle
245. GW
259. St. Joe's
315. Fordham
Our NET résumé:
Q1 (2–1)
21. WVU (A) - L
26. Loyola (N) - W
66. Davidson (A) - W
Q2 (1–1)
42. Bona (H) - L
80. Kentucky (A) - W
Q3 (5–0)
76. URI (H) - W
86. Wofford (H) - W
161. George Mason (A) - W
180. Vanderbilt (A) - W
190. Morehead St. (N) - W
Q4 (2–2)
163. Hofstra (H) - L
176. La Salle (H) - L
213. UNI (H) - W
259. St. Joe's (A) - W
Loyola just keeps moving up...if they move up one more spot, they'll be a coveted Q1a win. Amazingly, Kentucky is benefitting from a strong SEC even though they're losing most of their games...they're only 5 spots away from becoming a Q1 win for us.
Current A-10 rankings:
31. SLU
42. Bona
44. VCU
57. UR
66. Davidson
76. URI
90. Dayton
112. UMass
161. Mason
164. Duquesne
176. La Salle
245. GW
259. St. Joe's
315. Fordham
Our NET résumé:
Q1 (2–1)
21. WVU (A) - L
26. Loyola (N) - W
66. Davidson (A) - W
Q2 (1–1)
42. Bona (H) - L
80. Kentucky (A) - W
Q3 (5–0)
76. URI (H) - W
86. Wofford (H) - W
161. George Mason (A) - W
180. Vanderbilt (A) - W
190. Morehead St. (N) - W
Q4 (2–2)
163. Hofstra (H) - L
176. La Salle (H) - L
213. UNI (H) - W
259. St. Joe's (A) - W
At least we finally got a coveted quad 4 win after dropping 2 straight!
Time for another NET update...nothing else going on in Spider hoops land. We've actually moved up to 52 in the NET thanks to our opponents doing well. Loyola has incredibly moved up to #16. Kentucky is just barely a Q1 win for us, while URI can't quite get over the hump to a Q2. Hofstra has moved all the way up to #135, so they're squarely a Q3 loss now.
Current A-10 rankings:
35. Bona
36. SLU
43. VCU
52. UR
65. Davidson
76. URI
84. Dayton
120. UMass
140. Duquesne
171. Mason
183. La Salle
238. GW
268. St. Joe's
321. Fordham
Our NET résumé:
Q1 (3–1)
16. Loyola (N) - W
23. WVU (A) - L
65. Davidson (A) - W
74. Kentucky (A) - W
Q2 (0–1)
35. Bona (H) - L
Q3 (5–1)
76. URI (H) - W
102. Wofford (H) - W
135. Hofstra (H) - L
148. Vanderbilt (A) - W
149. Morehead St. (N) - W
171. George Mason (A) - W
Q4 (2–1)
183. La Salle (H) - L
196. UNI (H) - W
268. St. Joe's (A) - W
Current A-10 rankings:
35. Bona
36. SLU
43. VCU
52. UR
65. Davidson
76. URI
84. Dayton
120. UMass
140. Duquesne
171. Mason
183. La Salle
238. GW
268. St. Joe's
321. Fordham
Our NET résumé:
Q1 (3–1)
16. Loyola (N) - W
23. WVU (A) - L
65. Davidson (A) - W
74. Kentucky (A) - W
Q2 (0–1)
35. Bona (H) - L
Q3 (5–1)
76. URI (H) - W
102. Wofford (H) - W
135. Hofstra (H) - L
148. Vanderbilt (A) - W
149. Morehead St. (N) - W
171. George Mason (A) - W
Q4 (2–1)
183. La Salle (H) - L
196. UNI (H) - W
268. St. Joe's (A) - W
Bonnies 19 votes good for #32 and SLU 11 votes good for #34 in others receiving votes - and SLU voted #1 for exposing Covid coverups in rival programs....................
Is Kentucky at #74 just an anomaly? Can they move up even higher? Especially since they're on pause?
Any team in a P6 conference like UK is going to get credit for playing a lot of good teams all year long. They beat Florida, which is basically what's propping them up right now. They will beat a few other good SEC teams before it's all said and done and that should be enough to keep them in the top 75. I don't know how much credit we'll get for that win if they end up with a losing record, but it will still be a Q1 win, and those count for something.
Loyola is basically the best team in the country, and we beat them, so just put us in the tournament. We'll take the next month off to practice and get ready for Indy.
Yeah, and we beat them in Indy, so that should count even more with the selection committee.
Really, just give the nation what it wants -- a rematch for the national title. No need to worry about bringing 66 other teams there.
My NYE post here #411 & your #412. You thought 42 was too high...
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Talk to me when VCU beats a real team. Yes, they've won 6 in a row, but there isn't one team in that 6 that will even be sniffing around a NIT bid this year. There win over Memphis early got some attention, but Memphis is just 6-4. They beat St. Joes yesterday handily, whose best (and really...
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My NYE post here #411 & your #412. You thought 42 was too high...
And I was right...they were 58 in the first NET rankings.
It seems this bizarre year has...dare I say it....been helpful to the non-power conferences in the NET.
Two MVC teams in the Top 14.
Four MWC and Four A-10 teams in the "at-large zone" with Davidson not far outside.
I'd like to see an A-10 team higher than #34, but there's time.
Colgate is still ****ed up.
Two MVC teams in the Top 14.
Four MWC and Four A-10 teams in the "at-large zone" with Davidson not far outside.
I'd like to see an A-10 team higher than #34, but there's time.
Colgate is still ****ed up.
