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GKiller said:
actually the W&M community is grading it quite harshly and they have they biggest say so. Clearly it is being graded that's why it has become an issue there. Obv its in the press but I also know a former student athlete well from W&M and know a current one (an NFL prospect btw who was t'd up to go to UR but our football staff stupidly didn't recruit him...I digress). Personally I find it worse than a student, those are kids that deserve to make mistakes and learn from it. This wasn't some run of the mill corp or athletic press release either those r dime a dozen. It was about cutting sports for lot of student athletes & under apparently shady justifications, for instance swimmers were apparently told it would not be cut. Have some courtesy, empathy and professionalism to come up with your own developed thoughts for such a serious matter. W&M is a top school in country, the President, AD and Provost put her their names on it. They should have the highest standards not some frosh in english lit taking it as an elective. Not even close but to each their own.
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I think this is the type of thing that you can get a little bit of a pass on if you haven't already burned up your credibility. Based on a couple conversations i've had with Tribe alumni, they seem to want Samantha Huge out of there with her head on a stick.
 
32counter said:
LaSalle is a smallish Catholic school in a not so nice area of Philly with outdated infrastructure and a tiny endowment.Lasalle has been in trouble for awhile with a declining enrollment and now the pandemic.It has been forced to reduce tuition dramatically to keep its numbers from tanking.

La Salle University Slashing $11,600 Off Tuition

Students, on average, will see their bills go down $1,000 to $1,500.
www.phillymag.com www.phillymag.com
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Wow. Having reported an endowment of $80MM in 2019, it's hard to see how Lasalle is around in a few years.
 
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MolivaManiac said:
In addition to the tuition reduction, Lasalle is cutting 7 sports.
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The tuition cut was four years ago. They added men’s and women’s water polo and women’s golf around the same time to also try to attract more students, but they’ve since realized it’s tough to sponsor 25 sports when you’re a small, cash-strapped school.
 
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speaking of Philly, any of you been to the Palestra?
maybe I'm not nostalgic enough. I had heard it glorified so many times. "The Cathedral of College Basketball", etc. I was excited to go.
got there and I wasn't feeling it. some kinda cool old memorabilia on the concourse. but the gym itself? meh. maybe it's me. and the "big 5" as the greatest rivalry in college basketball doesn't resonate with me either. but I'm not a Philly guy.
 
I mean, it opened in 1927 and hasn't really had any substantial renovations/expansion, so sure, the gym itself is meh when taken at face value.

Reminds me that I enjoyed Feinstein's latest book...some Spider and other A-10 coverage in it and several visits to the Palestra.
 
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SFspidur said:
I mean, it opened in 1927 and hasn't really had any substantial renovations/expansion, so sure, the gym itself is meh when taken at face value.
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I guess some like that. I don't give it much extra credit for being old and not renovated. Rose Hill's really old too.
 
GKiller said:
actually the W&M community is grading it quite harshly and they have they biggest say so. Clearly it is being graded that's why it has become an issue there. Obv its in the press but I also know a former student athlete well from W&M and know a current one (an NFL prospect btw who was t'd up to go to UR but our football staff stupidly didn't recruit him...I digress). Personally I find it worse than a student, those are kids that deserve to make mistakes and learn from it. This wasn't some run of the mill corp or athletic press release either those r dime a dozen. It was about cutting sports for lot of student athletes & under apparently shady justifications, for instance swimmers were apparently told it would not be cut. Have some courtesy, empathy and professionalism to come up with your own developed thoughts for such a serious matter. W&M is a top school in country, the President, AD and Provost put her their names on it. They should have the highest standards not some frosh in english lit taking it as an elective. Not even close but to each their own.
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I get that it looks bad, but I don't think they just willy-nilly slashed a few sports by throwing darts at a dartboard and then mailed in the announcement and everything else. It was dumb and they apologized. The W&M types who are upset about it are probably the same ones who wanted to keep a basketball coach who never won anything in 15 years.
 
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JMU seems least equipped of any D1 program in the state to withstand this effectively, given how overdependent it is financially on football.
 
I don’t know what kind of AD she was, but they never gave her a chance there. She ruffled feathers by daring to suggest that they could do better. Guess they prefer existing in a time-warp with no aspirations. Anyone who thinks it was solely her decision to cut sports is kidding themselves. And she certainly wasn’t fired for stealing a few paragraphs from Stanford for a press release.
 
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I heard this was likely a few days ago. I mean they made her deactivate her own W&M AD Twitter account recently, they didn't even trust her on Twitter. W&M community stood up, good for them. The fact is she has been very disliked but I think she may have survived if not for the plagiarism.
 
Eight Legger said:
I don’t know what kind of AD she was, but they never gave her a chance there. She ruffled feathers by daring to suggest that they could do better. Guess they prefer existing in a time-warp with no aspirations. Anyone who thinks it was solely her decision to cut sports is kidding themselves. And she certainly wasn’t fired for stealing a few paragraphs from Stanford for a press release.
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Actually that definitely played a big role from what I understand. Yes she had some backing on cuts, but the press release drama allowed the W&M public to draw more attention to those cuts and the processes behind those cuts. She had zero people skills. Similarly Bill Cooper had none either and probably could have been fired for that alone, but it took his Patriot League football butchering to really facilitate his demise.
 
I think W&M will end up getting what it deserves, which is another long stretch of athletic irrelevance. And I guess maybe that’s what it wants.
 
Speaking of fallout from W&M, the swim team got a 2021 commitment from a former W&M commitment today, Leigh Spicer.

www.collegeswimming.com

Leigh Spicer

I am so thrilled to announce my verbal commitment to swim and study at the University of Richmond. I chose the University of Richmond for the amazing coaches, team and the incred…
www.collegeswimming.com www.collegeswimming.com
 
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Eight Legger said:
I don’t know what kind of AD she was, but they never gave her a chance there. She ruffled feathers by daring to suggest that they could do better. Guess they prefer existing in a time-warp with no aspirations. Anyone who thinks it was solely her decision to cut sports is kidding themselves. And she certainly wasn’t fired for stealing a few paragraphs from Stanford for a press release.
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I know this isn't really the right place for this, but...
Now, I keep hearing "Huge, You're Fired!" in particular voice...
 
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GKiller said:
I heard this was likely a few days ago. I mean they made her deactivate her own W&M AD Twitter account recently, they didn't even trust her on Twitter. W&M community stood up, good for them. The fact is she has been very disliked but I think she may have survived if not for the plagiarism.
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W&M’s explanations regarding its elimination of sports closely followed many of the same themes emphasized by Stanford, and were similarly worded in some cases. Huge, W&M’s AD since May of 2017, for years has considered Stanford athletics director Bernard Muir a mentor.

While Muir was AD at Georgetown, he hired Huge as compliance coordinator. After Muir became AD at Delaware, he added Huge in an expanded role on his staff there. W&M was scheduled to open its 2020 football season at Stanford for a $650,000 check before the global health crisis caused postponement of the Tribe’s game activity until, potentially, the spring.

it’s not a coincidence that Huge’s ‘wording ‘was Muir’s ‘wording’ when she issued an explanation for the cut in sports.
 
Eight Legger said:
I think W&M will end up getting what it deserves, which is another long stretch of athletic irrelevance. And I guess maybe that’s what it wants.
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I realize that W&M is a big rival for UR, but the facts are the 7 cuts included programs that were relevant in terms of the CAA conference and Olympic sports in general. The “reason” was to help support the primary spectator sports, which do not have a much of a profile. However it should be noted that this “inferior athletic program” still has a six game edge in head-to-head football games and is only behind six games in mens’s basketball. Might as well call it even, which is what makes such a rivalry interesting.
 
RichmondNative said:
I realize that W&M is a big rival for UR, but the facts are the 7 cuts included programs that were relevant in terms of the CAA conference and Olympic sports in general. The “reason” was to help support the primary spectator sports, which do not have a much of a profile. However it should be noted that this “inferior athletic program” still has a six game edge in head-to-head football games and is only behind six games in mens’s basketball. Might as well call it even, which is what makes such a rivalry interesting.
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Football series is 1 game. 63-62-5.
 
I was talking about recent history rather than ancient history. We’ve dominated them in football the past decade or so, and even with out down years in basketball we’ve still far out-achieved them there. They’re good at some of the sports no one pays attention to, and apparently those are the ones they care most about.
 
Eight Legger said:
I don’t know what kind of AD she was, but they never gave her a chance there. She ruffled feathers by daring to suggest that they could do better. Guess they prefer existing in a time-warp with no aspirations. Anyone who thinks it was solely her decision to cut sports is kidding themselves. And she certainly wasn’t fired for stealing a few paragraphs from Stanford for a press release.
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#Whatareyoutalkingabout????
 
Eight Legger said:
I was talking about recent history rather than ancient history. We’ve dominated them in football the past decade or so, and even with out down years in basketball we’ve still far out-achieved them there. They’re good at some of the sports no one pays attention to, and apparently those are the ones they care most about.
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I guess the same recent history is the one where the two basketball teams haven’t played since 2014 and the last 4 football results are all tied 2-2.

Do I think that UR would lose in basketball if they played this year - no. If they had played over the last four years could see a 2-2 split possibility like football - yes.

Like it or not, the schools have similar results in recent years. The biggest historical difference is NCAA basketball tournament appearances, but as you love to point out, Mooney hasn’t gotten the team there since 2011. Recent history?

I love these regional type rivalries. What I don’t like is a superiority complex with no basis when viewed head-to-head.

W&M cutting 7 sports was a terrible, shortsighted decision. What the alums of that school and those programs are doing should be celebrated. You could only hope former UR athletes would do the same if the shoe was on the other foot.

By the way, do I want UR to get to the NCAAs this year - YES. Go Spiders!
 
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after their response to us leaving for the A10, I never need to play W&M in hoops again. they offer nothing to us basketball-wise other than a short bus ride. we'd be a good OOC game for them. they'd be a crap program on our schedule. good riddance.
 
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