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Mo Allie Cox

Really an unfortunate situation for all involved. If the accusation is true, he should get everything coming to him. Embarressing. Would you let someone like that around your daughter?
I have a daughter and no way would I want any vcu thug around her. Probably the most disturbing thing is how vcu fans put the blame on the girl. For crying out loud, a 6' 6" 250 pound guy NEVER is justified to punch a woman. This is the reason I really hate to see my alma mater mentioned along side vdu. The players are thugs and the fans are classless.
 
Ulla, It has been posted that calling someone a thug is also another way of using the N-word. Surely, you do not mean that?
ok, where has that been posted? assuming it actually does exist somewhere, I think it's pretty cheap thinking to attribute that to someone who didn't say anything of the sort.

lame, dude, real lame.
 
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The thug thing has been in the news for months now at least since ferguson and again recently in Baltimore. I am trying to remove it from my vocab, to be honest.

The Mo situation definitely looks bad. On the other hand, when this came out a couple weeks ago, I suspected it was going to be worse, seemingly. The news story was sort of tame, as far as hitting a woman in the face goes.
 
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True Bone, to my knowledge, it has not been posted on this board. However, I have seen quotes by other athletes in national publications making the assertion. It is unfair, but not surprising, that Ulla used the word thug.
 
Ridiculous, the way, some try to make PC, our speech. There is nothing wrong with classifying those who commit thuggish acts, thugs. It is not racist. Check your Funk & Wagnall's. Rather, it's a way, to shut up, those, who disagree with you. I'm not labeling anyone in this thread, a thug, because no one has been found guilty of such an act. But if they are, then I won't hesitate to call them a thug. And if others are offended, so be it, that's their choice.
 
Guilty or not, this is great for us, as it is another cloud of negativity over their program, especially at the national level. And it's happening right during a key recruiting time, and also at a time when their identity is certainly in question. Factor in that two of their big corporate donors, HDL and Lumber Liquidators (yes, I know they sponsor us some too), are facing federal investigations, and it's quite a fun time to be a non-Lamb fan!
Some folks like the Oakland Raider bad team reputation. Maybe the black and gold will replace the black and silver.
 
Words do evolve/devolve. They change meaning over time. Not to get into a PC argument. But the history of words shows that they change meaning whether we like it or not!
 
Words do evolve/devolve. They change meaning over time. Not to get into a PC argument. But the history of words shows that they change meaning whether we like it or not!
I remember when a "cracker" was a saltine or a Ritz, now it's me!! :)
 
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It takes a village to change a word. Thug as a racist term is too new to have any real validity. It's up to the media elites, to drive that point home, so that we can't use the term anymore.

I remember when we had a hotel at Virginia Beach, named 'Gay Vacationer'. All of a sudden one day, it was renamed 'Sea Vacationer'. Madness.
 
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The argument I have heard for 'thug' being racially charged is as follows:

People who cause property damage or loot in a riot after their football/basketball/etc team loses an important game are not called thugs. These are predominantly white people.

People who cause property damage or loot in a riot in response to the death of a community member caused by police officers are called thugs. These people are predominantly black.

I am not saying the two situations are equivalent, but that is the argument I have heard for the racial connotation behind the word thug. The perception is two people who commit similar acts are labeled differently based on their race and economic background. I am not sure how true this is, but I can see where the idea comes from.
 
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Ulla, It has been posted that calling someone a thug is also another way of using the N-word. Surely, you do not mean that?

Thugs come in all shapes, sizes and colors. Clearly you would know that, wouldn't you? Quit trying to throw racism into something where it doesn't exist.
 
I don't subscribe to the belief that "thug" is interchangeable for the "N-word", but we can probably thank the media and recent events in Balmer, Merlin for the association. Several public officials and reporters ("media elites") have referred to the rioters/looters and other negative elements as "thugs".
 
I don't think "thug" is a term that has anything to do with race, but because some people have drawn the association in recent months, I personally might consider using another word in order to not be accused of anything. Though I agree it is kinda dumb that it's come to that with this word.
 
Words do evolve/devolve. They change meaning over time. Not to get into a PC argument. But the history of words shows that they change meaning whether we like it or not!

Words do not change meaning - politicians attempt to label opponents by claiming the meaning of a word has changed. This is as preposterous as calling criminals - the "gentleman" who committed such and such criminal act. But semantics do not an argument make.

And K your post is great for a laugh...........

Some folks like the Oakland Raider bad team reputation. Maybe the black and gold will replace the black and silver.
 
i would have punched her too, that is what you do at clubs. when our women's field hockey coach departed and some woman said something about her, i tried to punch her but missed and then was roughed up by the bouncer. just part of the club culture, talking coaches and getting into fights. this is nothing and nothing will come of it.
 
I get that this is news but does it bother some of you Spider fans that there is so much VCU talk on this forum? Three of the top-four threads are currently about VCU.
 
i would have punched her too, that is what you do at clubs. when our women's field hockey coach departed and some woman said something about her, i tried to punch her but missed and then was roughed up by the bouncer. just part of the club culture, talking coaches and getting into fights. this is nothing and nothing will come of it.

Wait, what??
 
Guilty or not, this is great for us, as it is another cloud of negativity over their program, !

Recruiting better players, getting more top tier teams on our schedule and beating them would be great for us. A shamed and weakened flagship A10 program is not great at all.
 
With all the trouble athletes are getting into these days, especially on the professional level - I have learned to take a stance and let the legal system play out before jumping to conclusions. I just don't like the fact of players getting harshly punished by their team if they are not found guilty or not charged with anything in the court of law. I understand maybe a short suspension or some early morning workouts to maybe remind the athlete - don't put yourself in these situations, but lets all take a step back and see what comes of this.
 
Guys, let's keep the race/PC/speech conversations off this thread. Move it elsewhere if you'd like, but let's not contaminate this thread.

It amazes me at how many people (read, VCU fans) are publicly commenting that there is no way this girl got punched by Mo since she "wouldn't be getting up anytime soon." (http://www.richmond.com/sports/college/basketball/article_7ed2fe5d-6b88-5aeb-b6d9-a2cdfc22ca38.html).

The real story (if anyone should push for it), is why the girl waited so long to go to RPD.
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Guys, let's keep the race/PC/speech conversations off this thread. Move it elsewhere if you'd like, but let's not contaminate this thread.

It amazes me at how many people (read, VCU fans) are publicly commenting that there is no way this girl got punched by Mo since she "wouldn't be getting up anytime soon." (http://www.richmond.com/sports/college/basketball/article_7ed2fe5d-6b88-5aeb-b6d9-a2cdfc22ca38.html).

The real story (if anyone should push for it), is why the girl waited so long to go to RPD.
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Whoa - that was a phantom post. My intended reply was the denial mindset is in the same vein of thinking as "our school is so wonderful that Shaka Smart will never leave." And also if Allie-Cox did punch her one would think it was not with all his might but as a counter to irritation, maybe even a so-called "love tap." But this event with Mo Allie-Cox should go through the court system before any conclusions are drawn. And Spinner find it hard to believe you would be punching someone out but am also well aware of your sense of humor.
 
It amazes me at how many people (read, VCU fans) are publicly commenting that there is no way this girl got punched by Mo since she "wouldn't be getting up anytime soon." [/SPOILER][/QUOTE]

+1. I'm not sure how they think this spin is good spin. Either he hit her/punched her or he didn't. The fact that she wasn't injured severely is probably why this is a misdemeanor charge versus a felony charge.
 
To ensure that no-one misinterprets my comments - "It is never okay for a male to hit a female." Any man who does so should be punished to the full extent of the law.

A few things to consider if you are interested:

1)The fact that the woman obtained a warrant from a magistrate has no bearing upon whether the incident occurred or not. Police did not witness the event, and the report says Cox left the scene prior to police arrival.
2) Richmond police keep the peace. Misdemeanor disputes between 2 parties are normally left to the "victim" to pursue. On-scene arrests are not the norm (especially late at night & on the weekend) unless there are aggravating circumstances.
3) Generally speaking, misdemeanor battery involves an intentional striking. This can be anything from a push, bump, punch, elbow, hitting with an object etc.
4) As interpreted by a magistrate, Felony battery in Virginia normally consists of either breaking of the skin (such as a cut with a knife), broken bones, or significant battery with a deadly object such as guns, bats, automobiles, etc.
5) Fists can be used to inflict severe damages that can be classified as felony assault & battery.

With the explanations listed above, the fact that the female obtained a misdemeanor assault & battery warrant from a magistrate days after the incident, tells us a lot about what happened. This was a minor disagreement type of altercation. The report indicates that the initial encounter was a mouthing off between 2 females. I strongly suspect that Cox made a serious mistake by inserting himself into the middle of that quagmire. As those of us who have been around awhile know, the "2 intoxicated female fight" is not likely to end well.

If a large, very strong man actually delivered an intentional full force blow to the face of a female in a bar, then most likely the woman would have severe injuries and damage. If she had significant injury, the charge would have been felony assault & batter.

Anyone who follows sports knows that high-profile athletes are ALMOST NEVER held to account for fight type incidents. They are usually never charged, but even when they are, it almost always results in a negotiated dismissal or plea that washes the stain away. Unless there is video, this will ultimately be a one word against the other type of dispute that is negotiated away. If Cox is held to account at all (which is far from a certainty) he will be doing some sort of community service.

This much you can take to the bank, based upon what is known today, Mo Allie Cox will be playing for VCU next season.

Of course, the fact that he will be playing does not mean that the incident didn't impact the team and /or the school.
 
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The argument I have heard for 'thug' being racially charged is as follows:

People who cause property damage or loot in a riot after their football/basketball/etc team loses an important game are not called thugs. These are predominantly white people.

People who cause property damage or loot in a riot in response to the death of a community member caused by police officers are called thugs. These people are predominantly black.

I am not saying the two situations are equivalent, but that is the argument I have heard for the racial connotation behind the word thug. The perception is two people who commit similar acts are labeled differently based on their race and economic background. I am not sure how true this is, but I can see where the idea comes from.


This is precisely the logic. I am avoiding the word for the time being. It's charged.

How many of you have used the word "niggardly" lately?

(yes, I know what it means)
 
I really thought the Mo incident was going to end up being worse. Not that this is particularly good.
 
The Brits still say "niggling" to describe a "trivial/nagging" type of situation or injury, but I suspect that the use of that word will also become taboo at some point.
 
Just patting myself on the back for scooping everyone by two weeks.
http://richmond.forums.rivals.com/threads/vcus-new-coach.2778/page-5#post-40947
And you should punch yourself in the face for saying it was "swept under the rug" by VCU police. If you had the correct information at the time, you would have known that VCU police does not have jurisdiction in Shockoe or the City of Richmond. Then you would also know that the accuser took 19 days to file the report with City police.
 
And you should punch yourself in the face for saying it was "swept under the rug" by VCU police. If you had the correct information at the time, you would have known that VCU police does not have jurisdiction in Shockoe or the City of Richmond. Then you would also know that the accuser took 19 days to file the report with City police.

And you should kick yourself in the nuts for not reading 05's last post, which includes a Facebook post from the accuser explaining why she waited 19 days -- because she went to VCU FIRST and they did nothing.
 
And you should kick yourself in the nuts for not reading 05's last post, which includes a Facebook post from the accuser explaining why she waited 19 days -- because she went to VCU FIRST and they did nothing.

According to her version, they didn't do nothing. They accepted her report without stating they didn't have jurisdiction and every time she asked for an update they stated they were "investigating".
 
I think many are confusing the various methods of dealing with this incident, and appropriate discipline. VCU could have handled this matter in house, as the accuser wished. The city only had jurisdiction, if the accuser wished to make a criminal complaint.
 
I'm not sure what she wanted the VCU police to do in house. give him a parking ticket?
End of the day, unless there were witnesses who back her claim, this goes away. I'm not sure why they'd even charge him without a witness, though.
 
Not a Homer - I agree with your post. Althought this looks terrible and is some bad PR in the short term - this will have very little if any effect on Mo Allie Cox suiting up for the Rams next season.
 
The argument I have heard for 'thug' being racially charged is as follows:

People who cause property damage or loot in a riot after their football/basketball/etc team loses an important game are not called thugs. These are predominantly white people.

People who cause property damage or loot in a riot in response to the death of a community member caused by police officers are called thugs. These people are predominantly black.

This goes back to Richard Sherman too. He said he went to a good school how could anybody call him a thug--must be racist to do so. As if having a good education precludes one from being called one of many variants of an ahole. Knew plenty of white fratguy thugs and meatheads, and have hear it in reference to brutish police officers, white and black, as thugs. Speaking of "meatheads" is that or the word "douchebag" racist? I only hear it when spoken about white aholes. I've heard thug, though more commonly goon referred to hockey aholes. Is goon racist since most hockey goons are white? Or is thug racist against white people when spoken about a hockey player? Is the fact the President used the word thug recently, now mean it's a word only one race can use about themselves? Should whites be mad when nonwhites use the words goon or douchebags? Are only whites "entitled" to those words or does entitlement itself preclude them from using any bad words to describe an ahole of another race? (These are rhetorical questions but many would tell you the answer to the last one is yes.) Aholes, black, white, brown, blue whatever are aholes. I'll continue to call them that. Variants of that word like thug, goon, douchebag whathaveyou that don't have racist origins should be fair game, too. Yes, language is fluid, but I never use the word "n***" and I've never sought out a substitute and resent the suggestion that a perfectly good word used to describe aholes of every flavor can now be used to indicate racism. Every race has aholes, which may soon be the only word we have left to use to describe an ahole of a different color, because no matter what amount of debate somebody will have with you it will never change the fact we all have an ahole and therefore we all can be one.
 
Actually, the female "spoiler" story sounds perfectly legit. If she is a VCU student (which it sounds like she is), and she wanted to school to handle the dispute internally (as she said), then it would be logical in her mind that she report the crime (assault) to VCU Police. As stated previously by others, VCU Police would not have jurisdiction over this criminal allegation, but they certainly would be responsible for reporting an incident that involved alleged criminal behavior by one of their high profile athletes to the appropriate school administrators for investigation, adjudication, and resolution.

In Virginia, any person who files a complaint of a misdemeanor crime has the right to appear before a magistrate and attempt (under oath) to obtain a warrant. If a magistrate finds that there is probable cause to believe that a crime was committed, and if the accused has been identified, then they issue the warrant. Once a warrant is issued, then the accused is arrested.
 
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