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I would have expected Mooney to be a little more non-commital in his answer. I think "yes" says a lot about Nelson.
Still a decent amount of backup PG minutes for DJI, but I think if he's going to see 20 mpg he's going to have to get some of them playing WITH Nelson. I can easily see it, but there's a crowd at off guard.
 
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I would have expected Mooney to be a little more non-commital in his answer. I think "yes" says a lot about Nelson.
Still a decent amount of backup PG minutes for DJI, but I think if he's going to see 20 mpg he's going to have to get some of them playing WITH Nelson. I can easily see it, but there's a crowd at off guard.
I've been assuming Nelson and Gustavson as starters with Bailey being the primary backup at both positions for awhile now. Should be quite a few meaningful minutes for him in that backup role.
 
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I've been assuming Nelson and Gustavson as starters with Bailey being the primary backup at both positions for awhile now. Should be quite a few meaningful minutes for him in that backup role.
I assume Bailey would be the primary backup at point if Nelson starts, but at the 2 we also have Roche and Crabtree and others. Roche was a big get in the portal. I'll be very surprised if he doesn't earn a fairly large role.
 
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I assume Bailey would be the primary backup at point if Nelson starts, but at the 2 we also have Roche and Crabtree and others. Roche was a big get in the portal. I'll be very surprised if he doesn't earn a fairly large role.
I think I posted this elsewhere, but I've currently got Nelson, Gustavson(best defender), Roche(best shooter), Burton, Quinn as the 5 starters. Others might go bigger but that lineup is already 1 inch taller than last years and each one brings something important to the team. Bailey backing up 1/2, Bigelow 3/4, and Grace 4/5. Crabtree and Randolph next men up.

Bigelow might be able to bump Roche out of the starting lineup. A fully healthy Crabtree could certainly shake things up. Injuries or the NBA will probably thin out a couple players from above as well, unfortunately.
 
I would have expected Mooney to be a little more non-commital in his answer. I think "yes" says a lot about Nelson.
Still a decent amount of backup PG minutes for DJI, but I think if he's going to see 20 mpg he's going to have to get some of them playing WITH Nelson. I can easily see it, but there's a crowd at off guard.
You would think...But hey it is what it is. Maybe something like we have guys competing hard for spots...But thats just more motivation...I will leave it at that.
 
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I think I posted this elsewhere, but I've currently got Nelson, Gustavson(best defender), Roche(best shooter), Burton, Quinn as the 5 starters. Others might go bigger but that lineup is already 1 inch taller than last years and each one brings something important to the team. Bailey backing up 1/2, Bigelow 3/4, and Grace 4/5. Crabtree and Randolph next men up.

Bigelow might be able to bump Roche out of the starting lineup. A fully healthy Crabtree could certainly shake things up. Injuries or the NBA will probably thin out a couple players from above as well, unfortunately.
that projection is as good as any. things can change but that's a good rotation.
 
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I would have expected Mooney to be a little more non-commital in his answer. I think "yes" says a lot about Nelson.
Still a decent amount of backup PG minutes for DJI, but I think if he's going to see 20 mpg he's going to have to get some of them playing WITH Nelson. I can easily see it, but there's a crowd at off guard.
The question was "might" he start every game? So, yes seems like the only answer, especially knowing that Mooney is always so positive toward the players. There is no reason to answer that "might" question with a "I don't know, maybe, etc."
 
Minutes will be interesting.

With
1 Pro returner - Burton
2 Grad returners - Goose & Grace
3 Transfers - Quinn, Bigelow, & Roche
2 Injured returners - Bailey & Crabtree
1 Promising freshman - Nelson

That is 9 (with any of the other 4 being able to contribute as well)
200 minutes/9 players = about 22 minutes a game average.
If all 9 are ready, how do you give any more than 28 minutes or less than 16?
We may have more of a rotation than we have seen in quite a while...
 
Burton, if he is back, will certainly get a lot more than 28 minutes a game. Probably 36+. Quinn and Nelson, if he separates at PG, will have games above 28. Goose, because of his defense, will be on the floor a lot, especially in games where we have leads and want to take the other team's best player out of the game, so he could often be above 28. Grace and Roche will probably average in the 20s, and I see Bigelow getting 16+. I think right now, if I had to guess, I would say Dji and Crabtree would be the average less than 16 minutes a game guys, but there could be games where they get 16+.
 
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SDad75, just going by my gut right now. I know we haven't seen a lot of the 100% healthy Dji or Crabtree. It's May, so maybe by November, the thinking could be different. Maybe one or both impress so much when they get out there, they turn into consistent 16+ minutes guys.
 
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Burton, if he is back, will certainly get a lot more than 28 minutes a game. Probably 36+. Quinn and Nelson, if he separates at PG, will have games above 28. Goose, because of his defense, will be on the floor a lot, especially in games where we have leads and want to take the other team's best player out of the game, so he could often be above 28. Grace and Roche will probably average in the 20s, and I see Bigelow getting 16+. I think right now, if I had to guess, I would say Dji and Crabtree would be the average less than 16 minutes a game guys, but there could be games where they get 16+.
Pretty solid I def think this is prob a very reasonable assesment…my thing would be…are we competing for the spots or giving them out? Are we going by experience or loyalty or compete and beat another guy out? Seems like the article assumes Jason all ready has the job, maybe bc of Coach’s answer. But I’m going to be petty with media guys bc he still hasn’t done all his homework. Dji is a PG and I’ll die on that hill😀. Minutes wise…that’s the important thing. To be on the floor and be impactful. If we are in a spot where Jason is playing 38 min and everyone is healthy then someone’s min going to be drastically cut and that will trickle down to the 1-3 spots.
 
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SDad75, just going by my gut right now. I know we haven't seen a lot of the 100% healthy Dji or Crabtree. It's May, so maybe by November, the thinking could be different. Maybe one or both impress so much when they get out there, they turn into consistent 16+ minutes guys.
I def get it…and makes sense.
 
Burton, if he is back, will certainly get a lot more than 28 minutes a game. Probably 36+. Quinn and Nelson, if he separates at PG, will have games above 28. Goose, because of his defense, will be on the floor a lot, especially in games where we have leads and want to take the other team's best player out of the game, so he could often be above 28. Grace and Roche will probably average in the 20s, and I see Bigelow getting 16+. I think right now, if I had to guess, I would say Dji and Crabtree would be the average less than 16 minutes a game guys, but there could be games where they get 16+.
I think I am looking at my "If all are ready" comment.

If Roche, Bigelow, Bailey & Crabtree all prove worthy of 16+ minutes, then it becomes difficult to have a large disparity in minutes between the players in the 9 player rotation.

If I look at each player individually, then I probably want them to have 240 per game, lol.

I started out with a few players with high minutes, but couldn't find any of the 9 that I am certain should get under 10 minutes...

I'm sure we will know a lot more in 5 months.
 
Pretty solid I def think this is prob a very reasonable assesment…my thing would be…are we competing for the spots or giving them out? Are we going by experience or loyalty or compete and beat another guy out? Seems like the article assumes Jason all ready has the job, maybe bc of Coach’s answer. But I’m going to be petty with media guys bc he still hasn’t done all his homework. Dji is a PG and I’ll die on that hill😀. Minutes wise…that’s the important thing. To be on the floor and be impactful. If we are in a spot where Jason is playing 38 min and everyone is healthy then someone’s min going to be drastically cut and that will trickle down to the 1-3 spots.
No question there will be plenty of competition out there. I think things could easily change during OOC as far as lineups and minutes. The best guys will play the most minutes. The ones who give us the best chance to win. If Dji shows he is the best option at PG, he gets the most minutes there.

As far as the Nelson article, I think it goes back to what I said earlier. He is the local star that we heavily recruited. Once he chose us, everyone assumed he is our next great PG. It certainly makes sense for a local Richmond paper to talk him up like that, but I get what you are saying about do your homework. If Dji is pretty much practicing exclusively at PG now, and competing for big minutes there, the article could show a little more love. Even though he has never played here, and Dji has, I think Nelson is the more "known" guy around here, so that is a big part of it.
 
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No question there will be plenty of competition out there. I think things could easily change during OOC as far as lineups and minutes. The best guys will play the most minutes. The ones who give us the best chance to win. If Dji shows he is the best option at PG, he gets the most minutes there.

As far as the Nelson article, I think it goes back to what I said earlier. He is the local star that we heavily recruited. Once he chose us, everyone assumed he is our next great PG. It certainly makes sense for a local Richmond paper to talk him up like that, but I get what you are saying about do your homework. If Dji is pretty much practicing exclusively at PG now, and competing there, the article could show a little more love. Even though he has never played here, and Dji has, I think Nelson is the more "known" guy around here, so that is a big part of it.
Yeah I believe that’s the most reasonable thing. Dji was the 2 PG out of NC by some places behind Shaq Moore who was at State then Miss St last yr. Alot of same awards and stats Jason had, Dji had, but that really is neither here nor there. People in Va just don’t know but the media guy should 🤷🏼‍♂️At the end of day I want the best 5 out there and by all accounts we have the ability to be a deeper team if we utilize it. I still think Dji and Jason are the two best options at PG but hey…we just want to be on the floor making an impact 🕷🏀
 
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good point. need video of how exactly Mooney said "yes" to solidify my opinion. :)
I mean ... was Mooney like:

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I assume Bailey would be the primary backup at point if Nelson starts, but at the 2 we also have Roche and Crabtree and others. Roche was a big get in the portal. I'll be very surprised if he doesn't earn a fairly large role.

goose has been used to bring ball up against pressure. Not much but more experience than anyone else returning. As I mentioned in past my expectation is the starting pg is a 30 min guy & then goose slides over for most of what remains esp given the numbers at other guard wing spots. Aligns for now with rtd article. Granted no quotes on backup spot but goose was listed next. JOC does get some cues imo that would not be explicitly expressed. Still very early.
 
goose has been used to bring ball up against pressure. Not much but more experience than anyone else returning. As I mentioned in past my expectation is the starting pg is a 30 min guy & then goose slides over for most of what remains esp given the numbers at other guard wing spots. Aligns for now with rtd article. Granted no quotes on backup spot but goose was listed next. JOC does get some cues imo that would not be explicitly expressed. Still very early.
Goose can certainly help bring the ball up the court against pressue. I just don't think he can create scoring opportunities, though our PGs don't necessarily need to do that a ton in our offense. I do think Jason and Dji will have a bit more skill in that area though.
 
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I think I am looking at my "If all are ready" comment.

If Roche, Bigelow, Bailey & Crabtree all prove worthy of 16+ minutes, then it becomes difficult to have a large disparity in minutes between the players in the 9 player rotation.

If I look at each player individually, then I probably want them to have 240 per game, lol.

I started out with a few players with high minutes, but couldn't find any of the 9 that I am certain should get under 10 minutes...

I'm sure we will know a lot more in 5 months.

agree w VT we’ll have 30 min+ guys, at least 2 imo. Don’t see any way we have 9 guys getting 16 mpg. Not feasible with way we play & handle historically. Yet the board tends to spread the mins more socially. Regular 8 man rotation likely. With 9-10th guy getting most mins in games that r not very competitive. Hopefully that’s us with the lead not the reverse! But it will mean the 8 should be strong bc we have guys legit pushing to get into rotation. Maybe this is year the 9th guy is a consistent mins role but not expecting that myself.
 
agree w VT we’ll have 30 min+ guys, at least 2 imo. Don’t see any way we have 9 guys getting 16 mpg. Not feasible with way we play & handle historically. Yet the board tends to spread the mins more socially. Regular 8 man rotation likely. With 9-10th guy getting most mins in games that r not very competitive. Hopefully that’s us with the lead not the reverse! But it will mean the 8 should be strong bc we have guys legit pushing to get into rotation. Maybe this is year the 9th guy is a consistent mins role but not expecting that myself.
I think you two are more right than wrong..Since we have been here the rotation was kept at about 8 and wasn't it 6-7 toward the second half of the season? Once Dji was hurt it seemed we settled into Matt, Nick, and Connor occasionally.
 
agree w VT we’ll have 30 min+ guys, at least 2 imo. Don’t see any way we have 9 guys getting 16 mpg. Not feasible with way we play & handle historically. Yet the board tends to spread the mins more socially. Regular 8 man rotation likely. With 9-10th guy getting most mins in games that r not very competitive. Hopefully that’s us with the lead not the reverse! But it will mean the 8 should be strong bc we have guys legit pushing to get into rotation. Maybe this is year the 9th guy is a consistent mins role but not expecting that myself.
I agree 8 is likely to happen and likely 5 starters/3 rotation/1 bench breakdown, maybe 4/4/1.
But I can't see who that 9th guy is now or decide that the Top 8 will separate from him.
Maybe I'm seeing too much potential in all 9 right now...
This is not my normal joke that all 13 get 15 minutes. This is "There are none of the 9 that I can rule out getting 500 minutes this season...today"

There will be competition the next few months and maybe even throughout the season.
 
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I'm betting on 9 guys getting 10+ mpg with Burton leading the way at about 34.
 
I've been assuming Nelson and Gustavson as starters with Bailey being the primary backup at both positions for awhile now. Should be quite a few meaningful minutes for him in that backup role
Roche will get the majority of minutes at two. We need proven scoring. You could argue Roche isn't proven at A10 level, but he'll get the majority. Can't afford a non shooting 2 guard like we could last year.
 
Roche will get the majority of minutes at two. We need proven scoring. You could argue Roche isn't proven at A10 level, but he'll get the majority. Can't afford a non shooting 2 guard like we could last year.
I think his shooting is really needed too. I don't think you give a guy who made 110 threes sporatic minutes and hope he'll still be effective.
he could play at the 3 with Burton at the 4 as MountainSpider said. we do have a lot of options.
 
goose has been used to bring ball up against pressure. Not much but more experience than anyone else returning. As I mentioned in past my expectation is the starting pg is a 30 min guy & then goose slides over for most of what remains esp given the numbers at other guard wing spots. Aligns for now with rtd article. Granted no quotes on backup spot but goose was listed next. JOC does get some cues imo that would not be explicitly expressed. Still very early.
Goose isn’t a point guard. Sure he has helped handle the ball in the past, but there really weren’t any options. I am going to defer to SpiderDad who has definitely seen more of Dji play than all of the other folks on the Forum
combined. If he says Dji is a PG, then I think Dji is a PG. That being said, I don’t expect to see Dji running the point except in backup duty and this article seems to confirm that is the “going-in” case. There is still plenty of time before the season starts so anything can happen and I am sure there will be some surprises.

There is no doubt we are going to see something that we haven’t seen for at least 5 years and maybe something we have never seen. The first thing is a very inexperienced team and the second a team with more than one transfer contributor. I think it is much more likely that we see significantly different lineups used game to game at the beginning of the season as compared to seeing 9-10 guys a night. The Mooney system is more about consistency and chemistry and you don’t get that with lots of substitutions. So if guys want to play they are going to have to earn their spot and if they don’t want to be in the “I need to find (blank) more minutes” conversation they need to earn it this Summer.
 
Goose isn’t a point guard. Sure he has helped handle the ball in the past, but there really weren’t any options. I am going to defer to SpiderDad who has definitely seen more of Dji play than all of the other folks on the Forum
combined. If he says Dji is a PG, then I think Dji is a PG. That being said, I don’t expect to see Dji running the point except in backup duty and this article seems to confirm that is the “going-in” case. There is still plenty of time before the season starts so anything can happen and I am sure there will be some surprises.

There is no doubt we are going to see something that we haven’t seen for at least 5 years and maybe something we have never seen. The first thing is a very inexperienced team and the second a team with more than one transfer contributor. I think it is much more likely that we see significantly different lineups used game to game at the beginning of the season as compared to seeing 9-10 guys a night. The Mooney system is more about consistency and chemistry and you don’t get that with lots of substitutions. So if guys want to play they are going to have to earn their spot and if they don’t want to be in the “I need to find (blank) more minutes” conversation they need to earn it this Summer.
I agree with CM playing a limited lineup but this could be a type year due to depth, we play more aggressively
on defense, pick up more fouls or need more breathers, thus play our bench more. Being a lazy boy coach, I just
feel with this teams length and if Burton back, we will see more pressure defense.
 
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Goose isn’t a point guard. Sure he has helped handle the ball in the past, but there really weren’t any options. I am going to defer to SpiderDad who has definitely seen more of Dji play than all of the other folks on the Forum
combined. If he says Dji is a PG, then I think Dji is a PG. That being said, I don’t expect to see Dji running the point except in backup duty and this article seems to confirm that is the “going-in” case. There is still plenty of time before the season starts so anything can happen and I am sure there will be some surprises.

There is no doubt we are going to see something that we haven’t seen for at least 5 years and maybe something we have never seen. The first thing is a very inexperienced team and the second a team with more than one transfer contributor. I think it is much more likely that we see significantly different lineups used game to game at the beginning of the season as compared to seeing 9-10 guys a night. The Mooney system is more about consistency and chemistry and you don’t get that with lots of substitutions. So if guys want to play they are going to have to earn their spot and if they don’t want to be in the “I need to find (blank) more minutes” conversation they need to earn it this Summer.
I think you hit it on the head with Goose...Several guys can bring it up but can you run the offense create off the dribble/bounce etc.? Shifting a little...who do you guys see as our best defenders out of the guys we have seen? I think Goose is obviously number 1 but for us to be good we have to be able to defend better. I think our guards could be solid. Havent seen Jason in game, Dji, and Connor are solid and TB can be when he wants to be. What do you guys think?
 
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I like defense. I have banged that drum for years now. Have pointed to one of my other fave teams SDSU. Yes, they got screwed worse than anyone named Dayton by pandemic cancelling the tourney - and have struggled since BUT went to two tourney following that - I know they lost and Woodhall thinks that makes them a lesser program. But they have built success YOY with a coaching change thrown in on the back bone of defense. They don't get top 100 recruits either - but by having top 30 defensive metrics can win even in years they can't throw it in the ocean.

I think Mooney likes defense. I think that is why Zay started for much of the year (and obviously Goose out) despite not much offense. When it became clear that other teams were shooting over him easily and Goose was better on D - he came out. I don't think defense is the top core value in a Mooney team. We saw him stick to a failing match up zone system for years. I just think its fluidity and the offense that he emphasizes most.

Back to Sdad's point.

Goose is a very good defender.
From what I have seen on the tape, I think Bigelow is very solid to good.
Dji I think is very good, but still need to see more over extended minutes.
Grace - I think much improved - BUT if playing vs small ball or athletic 4's could have major problems. Next to Quinn, I think good size but not ideal athleticism in today's game.
Quinn - looks a bit slow, great size can make up for some. A super inside source - albeit super biased source :), told me Quinn is bad on defense and will get smoked in A10 play. I think he can be competent - but think Bigelow at 4 next to him a bit makes sense.
Nelson - HOPING he is solid.
Burton - agree with sdad, I think he has all the tools to be a big time defender - and my hope is that he comes back and puts that to work. I thought in our A10 run and vs Iowa he played some great D. Hope to see that this year.
Dread - I'll throw him in here. Based on his h.s. tape, his body type, his lateral movement - he looks like a plus defender to me.

So, what I think would be our best defensive lineup:

Dji
Goose
Tyler
Bigelow
Grace

No idea how it plays out on the court, but think that would be good - and Dread too.
 
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Noticed I left Crabtree off. Agree he is very solid too. Just like on the offensive end, I am hopeful that a fully healthy off season allow him to regain some more of his athletic pop, and that can be applied to the defensive end. I think he can be good on that end of the floor.
 
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I like defense. I have banged that drum for years now. Have pointed to one of my other fave teams SDSU. Yes, they got screwed worse than anyone named Dayton by pandemic cancelling the tourney - and have struggled since BUT went to two tourney following that - I know they lost and Woodhall thinks that makes them a lesser program. But they have built success YOY with a coaching change thrown in on the back bone of defense. They don't get top 100 recruits either - but by having top 30 defensive metrics can win even in years they can't throw it in the ocean.

I think Mooney likes defense. I think that is why Zay started for much of the year (and obviously Goose out) despite not much offense. When it became clear that other teams were shooting over him easily and Goose was better on D - he came out. I don't think defense is the top core value in a Mooney team. We saw him stick to a failing match up zone system for years. I just think its fluidity and the offense that he emphasizes most.

Back to Sdad's point.

Goose is a very good defender.
From what I have seen on the tape, I think Bigelow is very solid to good.
Dji I think is very good, but still need to see more over extended minutes.
Grace - I think much improved - BUT if playing vs small ball or athletic 4's could have major problems. Next to Quinn, I think good size but not ideal athleticism in today's game.
Quinn - looks a bit slow, great size can make up for some. A super inside source - albeit super biased source :), told me Quinn is bad on defense and will get smoked in A10 play. I think he can be competent - but think Bigelow at 4 next to him a bit makes sense.
Nelson - HOPING he is solid.
Burton - agree with sdad, I think he has all the tools to be a big time defender - and my hope is that he comes back and puts that to work. I thought in our A10 run and vs Iowa he played some great D. Hope to see that this year.
Dread - I'll throw him in here. Based on his h.s. tape, his body type, his lateral movement - he looks like a plus defender to me.

So, what I think would be our best defensive lineup:

Dji
Goose
Tyler
Bigelow
Grace

No idea how it plays out on the court, but think that would be good - and Dread too.
I love your breakdown and agree. Rochenot mentioned(bc we haven't seen him) is going to play bc he can shoot the cover off it but I'm interested to see how he is defensively. From film and some of our early workout footage I think he may not be one of our strongest. But I haven't seen much and not much more than any of you, so the jury is still out of course.
 
Noticed I left Crabtree off. Agree he is very solid too. Just like on the offensive end, I am hopeful that a fully healthy off season allow him to regain some more of his athletic pop, and that can be applied to the defensive end. I think he can be good on that end of the floor.
Agree tough injury to recover from but now being a couple years removed I think he could be a key. I doubt it happens but would love to see us utilize two teams approach. I think potentially we have the depth but again would go back to how well some of these others pick up the offense and coaches willingness.
 
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In the modern game you need lots of interchangeable guards and forwards with skill sets that involve shooting and ballhandling. 4 out is pretty standard stuff these days. I think Richmond has lots of it this year, possibly the most I can remember, especially if you factor size into the equation. At times the '20 team was shooting cover off it when Nick was healthy and Blake was here along side Gilly, but that was a very small lineup.

I'm not discounting Randolph either because I think he's a shooter and the fact that Moon gave him freshman minutes at times last year is usually a good sign.

I'm still holding out hope for my Spider of Death lineup of all 6'5"-6'7" guys in stretches:
Dji/Goose/Roche/Burton/Bigelow

Switch everything, shoot 3s and break down bigs off the dribble. Pick up fullcourt with Tyler, Dji and Goose trapping in the backcourt.

Anyone else have a 5 man lineup that is unlikely/unusual that they want to see?
 
It is always an exercise in futility at this point, to come up with who plays and who doesn't
or who starts and who get splinters. Spidernation it does not matter so long as the best play the most and who gives us the best chance to win. With the red shirt freshmen, transfers and returners, frankly it is a crapshoot at this stage.
 
Shifting a little...who do you guys see as our best defenders out of the guys we have seen? I think Goose is obviously number 1 but for us to be good we have to be able to defend better.
I think Goose is our best defender, while at the same time being our most overrated defender. he's good defensively. so was Wilson. but eventually Wilson's lack of offense made his defense irrelevant.

Goose's defense isn't enough to warrant 24+ mpg if he's still scoring 4.5 ppg with 1.1 apg and shooting 31% from 3 this year on a team with fewer scoring threats this year. he's got to pick it up on offense.

I think Tyler is our most underrated defender. he's better on the ball than many here believe. and defensive rebounding is part of defense.
 
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I really thought we’d go with a similar small ball lineup at times last year, Cayo, Burton, Sherod, Goose, Gilyard. Don’t think we ever saw this lineup for an extended stretch? Turns out A. Mooney prefers having a 5 on the court at all times who can run his offense and B. Matt Grace improved enough to earn those minutes and it was never worth going small.
 
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I really thought we’d go with a similar small ball lineup at times last year, Cayo, Burton, Sherod, Goose, Gilyard. Don’t think we ever saw this lineup for an extended stretch? Turns out A. Mooney prefers having a 5 on the court at all times who can run his offense and B. Matt Grace improved enough to earn those minutes and it was never worth going small.
How do you feel this year? I like us being big this year...but everyone is big I guess 😁 minus Jason.
 
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