Just noticed our roster has been updated

[urmite]

I think part of getting minutes can be a snowball effect.

If one of two players gets more minutes, many coaches would expect him to better anticipate the actions of the rest of team. Therefore he gets more minutes and the gap keeps widening.

But I am not now and have never been in the realm of coaching, so my viewpoint could be completely off...

 

[gcarter52]

Do you mean in the A-10 or before?

That is what I wanted to ask Dad75. How close were Crab & Dji to 100% during the OOC?

You can ask his dad but I kept up with the team all season.

 

[Long Island Spiders]

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So, when did you want him replaced? We won our last 6 OOC games, and outscored those teams by an average of 72.6 to 61.6, and he played well in a few of them, so you didn't want to change then, did you? Then, the 3rd IC game he only played 18 minutes and 4th 11. I just think you and others have to find things to get on Mooney for, even when they aren't there.

I wanted him replaced before we blew our chance at an large bid with losses to any decent team we played in the beginning. We got to see Dji’s potential against Miss St and then revert back to the same old.

 

[SpiderDad75]

You can ask his dad but I kept up with the team all season.

I can’t speak on Crab but Dji was getting about 8-9 min and was impactful. Someone will say well those min were before Goose… yes but if someone can say there was a time when he played that he hurt the team while out there to discourage playing time after Goose came back I’ll listen, but there wasn’t imo. Then the bone bruise 1st and the ankle sprain happened. He was happy with mins and I believe had he been healthy he would have been a big part of the rotation. I’m not going to buy his min would have gone away if a healthy Goose and healthy Dji were available together. Based on how he was playing and the feedback he was getting.

 

[Not-A-Homer]

So, when did you want him replaced? We won our last 6 OOC games, and outscored those teams by an average of 72.6 to 61.6, and he played well in a few of them, so you didn't want to change then, did you? Then, the 3rd IC game he only played 18 minutes and 4th 11. I just think you and others have to find things to get on Mooney for, even when they aren't there.

Stats are one thing, but it was beyond obvious that Wilson wasn't what was needed for the team. It was clear VERY early (and several said so on this forum) that Wilson should not be ahead of others in the lineup. You can argue with this all you want.

Why did it take Mooney so long to eventually reach the same conclusion as the majority of this board? Does it mean the Coach made a poor personnel decision in the beginning? Does it mean that the Coach wasn't able to accurately assess (and figure out) what was best for his team early in the season? Did the coach not see that the team typically didn't function as well with Wilson? Does it mean that the Coach was too stubborn to change (and walk away from) from a wrong decision for far too long? Does it mean maybe a little of each of these things?

As it relates to your stated perspective above, remember, the Coach eventually agreed with the assessment of the message board members. Coach even came to see that Wilson had no significant future at UR (which this board also identified VERY early) since he didn't put much or any effort into keeping Wilson from going into the portal. Has nothing to do with "finding things to get on Mooney for," as you said. Bottom line, multiple message board posters got it right from the beginning, the Coach did not.

 

[spiderman]

I usually read criticism here that Mooney has too quick a hook which crushes confidence. this time he didn't. I also wanted and want more of Dji and Connor. but I understand not giving up a a guy you believe in. Wilson must have shown him something. Mooney gave him every opportunity. if you see a guy every day for months and think he can play, you don't bail after a few missed shots.

 

[VT4700]

I wanted him replaced before we blew our chance at an large bid with losses to any decent team we played in the beginning. We got to see Dji’s potential against Miss St and then revert back to the same old.

? We won 6 in a row after the Miss St game.

 

[VT4700]

Stats are one thing, but it was beyond obvious that Wilson wasn't what was needed for the team. It was clear VERY early (and several said so on this forum) that Wilson should not be ahead of others in the lineup. You can argue with this all you want.

Why did it take Mooney so long to eventually reach the same conclusion as the majority of this board? Does it mean the Coach made a poor personnel decision in the beginning? Does it mean that the Coach wasn't able to accurately assess (and figure out) what was best for his team early in the season? Did the coach not see that the team typically didn't function as well with Wilson? Does it mean that the Coach was too stubborn to change (and walk away from) from a wrong decision for far too long? Does it mean maybe a little of each of these things?

As it relates to your stated perspective above, remember, the Coach eventually agreed with the assessment of the message board members. Coach even came to see that Wilson had no significant future at UR (which this board also identified VERY early) since he didn't put much or any effort into keeping Wilson from going into the portal. Has nothing to do with "finding things to get on Mooney for," as you said. Bottom line, multiple message board posters got it right from the beginning, the Coach did not.

None of the above. It means Wilson was ahead of others and then Goose got healthy. Some of you act like Wilson was playing instead of Brothers, ShawnDre, or Blake. What sure thing, obvious choice was he taking minutes from? Your last comment is beyond laughable. And, what do you mean by Mooney did nothing about Wilson going into the portal? Unreal. Wilson was third in line behind Goose and Nick. If both were healthy, in Nick's case, healthier, Wilson would not have seen the floor much. I didn't expect a lot of production from him, and I am disagreeing with some of you because I would have played it out exactly like Mooney did.

 

[Not-A-Homer]

None of the above. It means Wilson was ahead of others and then Goose got healthy. Some of you act like Wilson was playing instead of Brothers, ShawnDre, or Blake. What sure thing, obvious choice was he taking minutes from? Your last comment is beyond laughable. And, what do you mean by Mooney did nothing about Wilson going into the portal? Unreal. Wilson was third in line behind Goose and Nick. If both were healthy, in Nick's case, healthier, Wilson would not have seen the floor much. I didn't expect a lot of production from him, and I am disagreeing with some of you because I would have played it out exactly like Mooney did.

Bottom line, multiple message board posters got it right from the beginning, the Coach did not. Maybe that is the part that should be laughable and unreal to you?

 

[VT4700]

I wanted him replaced before we blew our chance at an large bid with losses to any decent team we played in the beginning. We got to see Dji’s potential against Miss St and then revert back to the same old.

I don't see how you can say this..same old? Dji got 10 minutes against Wofford and scored 2 points, 8 min against No Iowa with 0 points, 15 min against ODU with 2 points, 10 min against Bucknell with 3 points, and 13 min against St Joe's with 3 points, with a total of 1 assist those games. I am looking forward to seeing more of Dji, but that would be if he sees minutes at PG. He was also 0-5 from 3 last year, so I just don't see how it could be called a no brainer that he should have been ahead of Wilson last year.

 

[spiderman]

in retrospect it's easy. Wilson didn't grow from the extended time starting, and now he's gone.

 

[Long Island Spiders]

Stats are one thing, but it was beyond obvious that Wilson wasn't what was needed for the team. It was clear VERY early (and several said so on this forum) that Wilson should not be ahead of others in the lineup. You can argue with this all you want.

Why did it take Mooney so long to eventually reach the same conclusion as the majority of this board? Does it mean the Coach made a poor personnel decision in the beginning? Does it mean that the Coach wasn't able to accurately assess (and figure out) what was best for his team early in the season? Did the coach not see that the team typically didn't function as well with Wilson? Does it mean that the Coach was too stubborn to change (and walk away from) from a wrong decision for far too long? Does it mean maybe a little of each of these things?

As it relates to your stated perspective above, remember, the Coach eventually agreed with the assessment of the message board members. Coach even came to see that Wilson had no significant future at UR (which this board also identified VERY early) since he didn't put much or any effort into keeping Wilson from going into the portal. Has nothing to do with "finding things to get on Mooney for," as you said. Bottom line, multiple message board posters got it right from the beginning, the Coach did not.

Game, set and match.
It’s over.
No need to continue this argument as this settles it.

 

[VT4700]

Bottom line, multiple message board posters got it right from the beginning, the Coach did not. Maybe that is the part that should be laughable and unreal to you?

Your opinion, and you really have nothing to back this up with. What is laughable is, like you so often do, you speak your opinion like it is a fact. And, funny you didn't answer my question when I asked what obvious choice was he taking minutes from?

 

[VT4700]

Game, set and match.
It’s over.
No need to continue this argument as this settles it.

LOL. Okay.

 

[SpiderDad75]

I don't see how you can say this..same old? Dji got 10 minutes against Wofford and scored 2 points, 8 min against No Iowa with 0 points, 15 min against ODU with 2 points, 10 min against Bucknell with 3 points, and 13 min against St Joe's with 3 points, with a total of 1 assist those games. I am looking forward to seeing more of Dji, but I just don't see how it could be called a no brainer that he should have been ahead of Wilson last year.

I def get your argument...Its like physics though, anything can be proven. I will say that points alone don't necessarliy dictate why you do or don't play. I will say this about Dji...He is not someone you can put in for 2-3 min and expect a scoring barrage. He is one that comes in gets settled and then gets going..thats an issue with the quick hook too. I'm one who..yeah wants to see guys score but when you are in the game, you find a way to make an impact. Did we need Zay or Dji to score in bunches...prob not, that would have made us better obviously. Some will say its cliche but there are things guys do on the floor that matter besides scoring. Again if someone can tell me when Dji was out there he wasn't impactful or hurt the team...I'll listen. Ultimately we have to score the ball...Now, we all know I'm biased but I'll take Dji over Zay bc he's mine and I've seen what he's done more than you all...(no fault of anyone up here) I will take Dji's defense, decison making, playmaking and shooting over Zays. Zay had more of an opportunity early. If Dji was healhy no doubt in my mind he would have stayed in the rotation and built off that Miss St performance. Zay got a ton of credit for defending Greene at N Iowa but Dji was a big part of that as well. This year Dji has to get more involved offensively, get paint touches and cont being a lockdown defender.

 

[spiderman]

Stats are one thing, but it was beyond obvious that Wilson wasn't what was needed for the team. It was clear VERY early (and several said so on this forum) that Wilson should not be ahead of others in the lineup. You can argue with this all you want.

Why did it take Mooney so long to eventually reach the same conclusion as the majority of this board? Does it mean the Coach made a poor personnel decision in the beginning? Does it mean that the Coach wasn't able to accurately assess (and figure out) what was best for his team early in the season? Did the coach not see that the team typically didn't function as well with Wilson? Does it mean that the Coach was too stubborn to change (and walk away from) from a wrong decision for far too long? Does it mean maybe a little of each of these things?

As it relates to your stated perspective above, remember, the Coach eventually agreed with the assessment of the message board members. Coach even came to see that Wilson had no significant future at UR (which this board also identified VERY early) since he didn't put much or any effort into keeping Wilson from going into the portal. Has nothing to do with "finding things to get on Mooney for," as you said. Bottom line, multiple message board posters got it right from the beginning, the Coach did not.

let me remind everyone about the evaluation by the majority of the board of Matt Grace for 2+ years, and what a fool Mooney was to spend a roster spot on him. lol.

it doesn't always work out. Wilson's gone anyway. but let's not pretend the masses always know best.

 

[SpiderDad75]

And if we go by stats alone...Dji shot 60% FG and was highest on the team, ranked 2nd on the team in steals per 40 min...see how that can be misleading? Not trying to be a douche, just saying stats don't always tell the whole story

 

[VT4700]

in retrospect it's easy. Wilson didn't grow from the extended time starting, and now he's gone.

I agree. Which is not that surprising for someone who was 3rd in line before last season. Goose averaged over 30 minutes a game once he got healthy, and Wilson or anyone else others wanted in there would not have gotten a lot of minutes had Goose been healthy all year.

 

[SpiderDad75]

I agree. Which is not that surprising for someone who was 3rd in line before last season. Goose averaged over 30 minutes a game once he got healthy, and Wilson or anyone else others wanted in there would not have gotten a lot of minutes had Goose been healthy all year.

Agree to disagree on your last statement. But I guess the meaning of “a lot of minutes” is something we can debate. 8 mins isn’t a ton but I think Dji would have stayed in that range at the least.

 

[VT4700]

And if we go by stats alone...Dji shot 60% FG and was highest on the team, ranked 2nd on the team in steals per 40 min...see how that can be misleading? Not trying to be a douche, just saying stats don't always tell the whole story

I agree, and, it's probably best to not have this debate with you, and I get it, but, I just can't say it was a no-brainer Dji should have played over Wilson. That's all. Not criticizing anyone's game at all. Just my opinion.

 

[VT4700]

Agree to disagree on your last statement.

Can you elaborate? Nevermind. I saw you already did. All good.

 

[SpiderDad75]

I agree, and, it's probably best to not have this debate with you, and I get it, but, I just can't say it was a no-brainer Dji should have played over Wilson. That's all. Not criticizing anyone's game at all. Just my opinion.

No I get it, I’m not upset. Love these type of convos. Just based off the minutes he was getting prior to injury and his feedback that he would have cont to be a part of the rotation is what I’m saying. If someone said Dji shot 60% and tech best shooter fg wise then it’s misleading, but those are his stats for FG%…that was my point about stats. It’s all love ✊🏼 Kids can be critiqued, it’s what we do. As long as things don’t get personal I’m always good. 🕷🏀

 

[VT4700]

No I get it, I’m not upset. Love these type of convos. Just based off the minutes he was getting prior to injury and his feedback that he would have cont to be a part of the rotation is what I’m saying. If someone said Dji shot 60% and tech best shooter fg wise then it’s misleading…that was my point about stats. It’s all love ✊🏼 Kids can be critiqued, it’s what we do. As long as things don’t get personal I’m always good. 🕷🏀

No doubt. All good. I never was saying Dji wouldn't be part of the rotation. My point was Goose was going to get a lot of minutes when healthy. Dji had 5 games with decent minutes after Miss St. I could be wrong, but I just don't think him or anyone else was getting 10 or more minutes a game after Goose came back.

 

[SpiderDad75]

No doubt. All good. I never was saying Dji wouldn't be part of the rotation. My point was Goose was going to get a lot of minutes when healthy. Dji had 5 games with decent minutes after Miss St. I could be wrong, but I just don't think him or anyone else was getting 10 or more minutes a game after Goose came back.

That’s prob about right, absolutely no more than 10 min. unless they were just on fire.

 

[VT4700]

I def get your argument...Its like physics though, anything can be proven. I will say that points alone don't necessarliy dictate why you do or don't play. I will say this about Dji...He is not someone you can put in for 2-3 min and expect a scoring barrage. He is one that comes in gets settled and then gets going..thats an issue with the quick hook too. I'm one who..yeah wants to see guys score but when you are in the game, you find a way to make an impact. Did we need Zay or Dji to score in bunches...prob not, that would have made us better obviously. Some will say its cliche but there are things guys do on the floor that matter besides scoring. Again if someone can tell me when Dji was out there he wasn't impactful or hurt the team...I'll listen. Ultimately we have to score the ball...Now, we all know I'm biased but I'll take Dji over Zay bc he's mine and I've seen what he's done more than you all...(no fault of anyone up here) I will take Dji's defense, decison making, playmaking and shooting over Zays. Zay had more of an opportunity early. If Dji was healhy no doubt in my mind he would have stayed in the rotation and built off that Miss St performance. Zay got a ton of credit for defending Greene at N Iowa but Dji was a big part of that as well. This year Dji has to get more involved offensively, get paint touches and cont being a lockdown defender.

Wilson was outstanding against No Iowa. He played 31 minutes, had 7 points, hit a 3, only had 1 turnover, and held Green to 2-12 from the field.

 

[VT4700]

That’s prob about right, absolutely no more than 10 min. unless they were just on fire.

SDad75, you might know a lot more about this, when comparing Dji and Wilson, maybe it is fair to say Wilson was ahead of Dji in the off guard spot, but Dji might have been ahead of Wilson at the PG spot. Maybe if Jacob were hurt, and not Goose, Dji would have gotten more minutes than Wilson?

 

[SpiderDad75]

Wilson was outstanding against No Iowa. He played 31 minutes, had 7 points, hit a 3, only had 1 turnover, and held Green to 2-12 from the field.

Yea he was…I was saying Dji played extremely well defensively on Greene along with Zay but didn’t get much credit.

 

[SpiderDad75]

SDad75, you might know a lot more about this, when comparing Dji and Wilson, maybe it is fair to say Wilson was ahead of Dji in the off guard spot, but Dji might have been ahead of Wilson at the PG spot. Maybe if Jacob were hurt, and not Goose, Dji would have gotten more minutes than Wilson?

That’s def a plausible explanation. I’m not entirely sure why Zay was ahead tbh but he was. Dji broke his wrist coming into UR so that was a setback and then the foot and ankle injuries. One thing that goes unmentioned is Coach and the staff got involved late with Dji bc of the decision of decommitting. They didn’t get a chance to see Dji live until he was at practice. Could that have something to do with it…idk maybe but it’s hard on both…Dji and staff- it is almost gambling giving a spot to a guy that you didn’t initially recruit or have a relationship with. But glad we are here and at this level nothing is given and it’s hard. Just got to Cont to work harder.

 

[VT4700]

Yea he was…I was saying Dji played extremely well defensively on Greene along with Zay but didn’t get much credit.

Yes, Dji played very well defensively as well. Funny thing is I just went back and looked at that whole thread, and didn't see anyone upset with Wilson then, or with Mooney for playing him. And, we won 4 more in a row after that. Seems strange for some to start all of this up now, but whatever.

 

[SpiderDad75]

Yes, Dji played very well defensively as well. Funny thing is I just went back and looked at that whole thread, and didn't see anyone upset with Wilson then, or with Mooney for playing him. And, we won 4 more in a row after that. Seems strange for some to start all of this up now, but whatever.

Zay had some very good moments for us. It’s easy to go back and say he wasn’t what we needed bc he left but I wish him all the success in the world. He’s a solid player.

 

[VT4700]

That’s def a plausible explanation. I’m not entirely sure why Zay was ahead tbh but he was. Dji broke his wrist coming into UR so that was a setback and then the foot and ankle injuries. One thing that goes unmentioned is Coach and the staff got involved late with Dji bc of the decision of decommitting. They didn’t get a chance to see Dji live until he was at practice. Could that have something to do with it…idk maybe but it’s hard on both…Dji and staff- it is almost gambling giving a spot to a guy that you didn’t initially recruit or have a relationship with. But glad we are here and at this level nothing is given and it’s hard. Just got to Cont to work harder.

This is so very well said, and makes a lot of sense.

 

[GKiller]

hate to agree too much with 4700 haha I'm sure that will change...but Goose was a 30+ min guy once healthy. There weren't minutes in backcourt. Sherod had role as designated 3 pt specialist but that would not have been either Dji or Wilson. Crab had a small role but very limited mins, Zay role was pre-Goose return & then minimal. Dji really only had half a dozen games with 10 or so mins and half of those were blowouts where you'd expect to get more. It's hard for me objectively to say he had an established role, even though he held his own. It was sporadic mins. Once goose got back there was no extra time, unless it was taking a few ones from Crab or Zay, who he was originally behind in rotation. So very difficult to envision he would have gotten 8-10 mins w any consistency esp as Mooney tightens the rotation down the stretch, Sherod got less time late too.

but lot of minutes up for grabs this year due to departures. I don't want to count out Randolph or Noyes either, tho I kinda am with Walz and Dread, but team pt overall is definitely less certain in 21-22.

 

[97spiderfan]

Mooney obviously believed Wilson would come around with more chances. he didn't. once Goose was ready to take over, Wilson got buried.

Connor got a decent amount of run early in the year too. I don't know why Wilson got more chances than Dji. Mooney saw something in Wilson. it didn't develop. at least not yet.

I think Mooney played Wilson so much because he played the game so intensely. The other starters were not known for their defense and defensive intensity and I think he felt that was something that we needed. Unfortunately, for Isiah he played with the same intensity on offense when we had 4 better options at all times on offense.

 

[SpiderDad75]

I think Mooney played Wilson so much because he played the game so intensely. The other starters were not known for their defense and defensive intensity and I think he felt that was something that we needed. Unfortunately, for Isiah he played with the same intensity on offense when we had 4 better options at all times on offense.

Fair

 

[spiderman]

I think Isaiah, Dji and Goose play defense with comparable intensity and quickness. Goose and Dji have a length advantage.

Goose vs Dji is very interesting to me. if Goose hit's threes than I'll get on board with the rest of you. but I want a fair fight at that spot. to me, Dji might be even quicker than Goose defensively. we've only seen glimpses but there's something there. and I think his handle and vision are superior.

adding Roche to the conversation confuses things more. no question he's the shooter. we'll have to see his handle and defense.

plus Crabtree's fighting to get on the floor at any position he can.

and I have no idea about the younger guys who we haven't see much or at all.

there's a lot to work out this offseason.

 

[97spiderfan]

I'm less upset the Mooney stuck with Wilson for so long versus that our initial starter was Sherod. It was quickly clear that Sherod injuries were just too much for him to be like the old Sherod. Mooney and his staff should have noticed this during practice and had a better plan for us as our starting 2 guard from the jump because it was clear, Sherod was not it. When you talk about Mooney's deference to experience players, Sherod is Example 1A.

 

[spiderman]

I'm less upset the Mooney stuck with Wilson for so long versus that our initial starter was Sherod. It was quickly clear that Sherod injuries were just too much for him to be like the old Sherod. Mooney and his staff should have noticed this during practice and had a better plan for us as our starting 2 guard from the jump because it was clear, Sherod was not it. When you talk about Mooney's deference to experience players, Sherod is Example 1A.

Nick only started 2 games. but you're right. he didn't look right. but he could get hot at any time. and he did for a few games. then it went away.

we still have question marks at off guard offensively, but a lot of solid options. just need one to step up.

 

[spider23]

Nick only started 2 games. but you're right. he didn't look right. but he could get hot at any time. and he did for a few games. then it went away.

we still have question marks at off guard offensively, but a lot of solid options. just need one to step up.

Good point - to me we really have 5 guys that could be considered the 2 guard on the roster, if we read into the JOC article to mean Nelson is the primary PG (not saying that is true - just how the article read).

Randolph and Dread. We have not seen much or any of either at this level.

Goose - incumbent - good defensively, cuts well to the basket. Can look good offensively at times, but has never been a consistent shooter or scorer. I think will be hard to shake him from line up as the team played better last year when he was on the floor and was wooed back by Mooney and staff. Issue: this team will need to replace a ton of offense, can Goose pick it up and shoot consistently from 3? I guess the hope is with a healthy off season and more opportunity he becomes more productive.

Roche - He had a lot of options in the portal, and choose RIchmond. Shooter, scorer. Will he be a starter/heavy rotation guy - or more of a sniper off the bench. Can he play D? Great freshman season, so he comes in with good experience and confidence I would think.

Dji - Like Goose, with health and opportunity, hopefully will shoot it at a good clip from deep. We have seen glimpses of the potential, ball handler, passer, good D.

I think all three have the size too play on the wing as well - when Burton plays PF. It will be interesting to see how Mooney plays it. I feel he is so comfortable most years knowing his rotation pretty well. We have a lot of guys that have been waiting , or transferred in expecting to have roles.

I am thinking we need to live stream all pre-season workouts, practices and scrimmages

 

[SpiderK]

Nick only started 2 games. but you're right. he didn't look right. but he could get hot at any time. and he did for a few games. then it went away.

we still have question marks at off guard offensively, but a lot of solid options. just need one to step up.

Wilson sure wasn’t ready either, for many reasons.

 

[GKiller]