Jason Nelson Enters Transfer Portal, Commits to VCU
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I wish JayNel the best, but I root for the cloth. if he dons the black and gold I hope he loses every game.
anywhere else ... once a Spider always a Spider.
I don't think JOC didn't say anything that wasn't true. His impact was reduced, he did get back his minutes when Dji got hurt towards the end of the year. Those are facts.
It is clear from the follow up article that staff didn't want Jaynel to leave, also clear that Mooney either dislikes JOC or just media in general, as always his comments to JOC are extremely limited and not informative at all. His verbatim "I'm feeling very well, thanks" to JOC question about his health are very telling that he never wants to answer JOC's questions.
I'm no fan of JOC, but JOC has a tough assignment because Mooney and Hardt are so media averse.
It is clear from the follow up article that staff didn't want Jaynel to leave, also clear that Mooney either dislikes JOC or just media in general, as always his comments to JOC are extremely limited and not informative at all. His verbatim "I'm feeling very well, thanks" to JOC question about his health are very telling that he never wants to answer JOC's questions.
I'm no fan of JOC, but JOC has a tough assignment because Mooney and Hardt are so media averse.
I don't see Nelson moving up in the portal, unless he waits it out and lets the dust settle and maybe a P6 program takes a chance on him or really needs to fill a spot, but that would be a gamble on his part.
I see him more moving laterally or down a notch. I think he could be a very good player for a top level CAA team if he wanted to and that could also get him to the NCAA tourney as well.
I see him more moving laterally or down a notch. I think he could be a very good player for a top level CAA team if he wanted to and that could also get him to the NCAA tourney as well.
Delaware lost Jameer Nelson Jr to the portal. That may be a good spot, build your profile for two years, and could transfer up again to finish his career.
Keep in mind, Nelson is reportedly a really good student as well. Top 2 schools were Vandy and UR, so think that may be a consideration for him as well.
He is gonna draw interest from BCS schools that is a given in the portal for a guy like him. Whether a BCS program is the best fit for him is another topic.
Of course that is my opinion, and I even started my post with "I think". Geez, we are already on page 3 here. If we weren't allowed to give opinions on here, would we have any posts?
I don't see anything wrong with the article. Who knows why Nelson's uncle got so bothered?? Geez, why act like that while while your nephew is in the portal???
97, have you ever watched Mooney in his pre and post games interviews? He often laughs with JOC and is always good with the media (something plenty of you guys get mad about). You even got on him for saying "I'm feeling very well, thanks"???. Cmon 97...did you want him to respond with a 5 minute answer on his health? Funny and telling that you even threw in a Hardt jab there. As for Nelson, no coach would ever say they want a guy to leave.
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Thanks for the correction. And, definitely no reason for an uncle to get involved there, especially when there was nothing wrong with the article. Smith is from Va., is our highest rated recruit ever, and plays the same position as Nelson. It would be bad journalism to not mention him when writing about Nelson leaving.
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They both only do media when they absolutely have to and when they do media they only give the most carefully scripted answer to everything. There are a lot of coaches who are much more candid with the media.
How many ADs do a lot of media? And, there are also coaches who say a lot less to the media, and who are jerks with them, and refuse to answer questions. It's like with the on court stuff....there are things to get on Mooney for, but why reach and complain about everything? Now, with this, to find anything wrong with how Mooney responded to JOC?? Seems like you reaching.
I don't know if he draws a ton of interest moving up. He is a good student, but remember - he didn't play last year at all. Then this year - he starts out well, but then declines much of the year. End of year stat line - 8 points a game shooting 36% overall and 30% from 3 with basically a 1 to 1 assist to turnover ration. That is why I think initially teams will not be looking at him, but if he wants to risk and wait - I think teams above UR could get desperate and reach down to get him. But I think this is a lateral move or move down - which is fine. At this point - its all about success for Nelson and what he feels will help him.
Look at it this way - how excited would you be if Mooney and staff landed a PG in the portal who played at Rice (C-USA team who finished 19-16) and started the season as the starter, then loss minutes and ended up with 8 points a game on 36 and 30% shooting - would we be sitting here on this board excited for that guy to enter our program - probably not.
if you're a team looking for a PG with multiple years of eligibility left, Nelson will be on your radar.
Why would you think this? He had one power conference offer out of high school, and what has changed 2 years later that would make power teams say, I want him to be my starting PG the next 3 years? If he wants minutes, this needs to be a lateral move or drop down a little, and like Trap said, not a thing wrong with that.
It's just very lazy in my opinion. Mooney does the bare minimum with media and that to me is a detriment to the profile of our program. A coach should be doing everything possible to increase the profile and exposure of our program and a key to that is utilizing the media effectively.
You are so used to Mooney in how he utilizes media, that you fail to see how some other coaches really effectively use media to promote their program. Being nice to the media is a prerequisite of the job at UR, so I guess he checks that box though.
I didn't say anthing about a power team wanting him to be a starter for 3 years.
mid to low level P6's looking to fill spots in the portal and who need a PG will probably look at Nelson. they may not see him as ever being a starter but they need a PG. and Nelson may or may not be interested in what they have to offer. he may prefer a Delaware or Lehigh type. who knows.
Just a few twitter comments with his nephew in the news. Not a big deal imo he's gonna defend him I get it. He clearly wants him at VCU, a former vcu season tix holder too if u believe the tweeter.
It's not like he's on the message board! LOL
Nelson was playing more than Dji in the last couple games even tho Dji started. So maybe that's what he was getting at w his response to JOC. But that's getting into the weeds a bit & u can only put so much in the article. Overall his impact/role did decline.
He has 3 years left and some real good game experience that will be appealing in this transfer world w so many looking to fill spots.
I guess I just don't see a bunch of other coaches using the media much as a recruiting advantage. And, I don't think recruits would care at all about that. What would you suggest he do?
If Kwesi Abakah can score 75 points in 74 games for Northeastern and transfer up to the A10, then Jaynel can transfer up to a power conference.
This point can probably be made with Jordan Madrid-Andrew’s from chicago state to Richmond as well.
This point can probably be made with Jordan Madrid-Andrew’s from chicago state to Richmond as well.
tbf I will say Mooney is better in the pregame/postgame pressers. Problem is the questions often stink and not specific enough. Also for this article Mooney may have just answered questions via email. The in season stuff JOC primarily gets from the pressers. I don't know what his practice is in offseason but I doubt he's going over and sticking a recorder in Mooney's face. He also just did an article on Mooney return, that courtesy follow up didn't justify much depth anyway.
But I agree with u neither Mooney nor Hardt is media savvy
Early in his tenure didn't he ride around campus in a golf cart talking to students and drumming up interest (or something like this)?
It doesn't have to be much, even just an occasional unexpected appearance such as that goes a long way in building fan support, interest, excitement, etc. Not much like that coming out of the UR athletic department these days.
This right here is what I would suggest. It nothing grandiose but just being more purposeful at building excitement for the program. As noted, Mooney did this in his early days, but just not much effort on this front anymore.
Yes, 4700, on all of this issues I can and do point out with Mooney, this is probably more on the minor end of things, but as I see it, it is all part and parcel as to why we often seem stuck in a quagmire of being mediocre.
I LOVE Richmond basketball, and am about as diehard as they come. But, I wouldn't begrudge Nelson transferring to VCU if that's his decision. This kid has to do what is best for him/his future.
I was sort of disappointed in his play this year, but I hope for his sake he improves no matter where he goes. Seems like a good kid, and I'm not going to wish ill on any of our athletes.
I was sort of disappointed in his play this year, but I hope for his sake he improves no matter where he goes. Seems like a good kid, and I'm not going to wish ill on any of our athletes.
Probably from 247sports if u follow their recruiting at all.
He did this my freshman year I believe (2016-17). Gave some students a ride to class on a golf cart. Nothing like that since - occasionally he’ll get dhall breakfast (or used to at least) but other than that I never saw him around campus.
I agree and have never understood this approach. "Be a fan, buy tickets, donate money, but do it on our terms -- limited information."
Considering the TD's continued contraction, JOC will probably be working in PR for UR Athletics over the next few years, if not sooner. No need for him to rock that apple cart.
limit information? Yes. Why would they want to draw outside attention to mediocrity or even worse? 18-0 shutout in baseball. Let that sink in.
This is what scares me. Basically, every team needs an identity, something they do better than teams they play, and impacts winning. Not sure what our identity is other than KA, then Gilly. We recruit shooters, but then we don't seem to shoot it from 3 better than other teams. Princeton O is not really our thing. Big man that operates in the high post. Grant was great at that, Quinn is more of a traditional low post guy. We struck out on Jaynel (since he left in portal this is striking out). If Smith is not a KA or Gilly like player from day 1, then what exactly is our identity. Defense, rebounding and toughness? NO. I guess it is fluid offense that works if we are playing a soft opponent.
Hoping whoever we pick up in the portal at guard is also a good defender. I do think we need another athletic 6'7 to 6'8 guy to play D and rebound. Even if Burton comes back, if him or Bigs sprain an ankle of pick up two quick fouls we become very soft very fast.
Mooney lost his way as soon as his defense became obsolete. He hasn't had a real identity since then.
I’ll be shocked if Smith is shorter than Nelson. I feel like the videos posted before and when he signed showed him slapping backboard on layups and such. Not that means he’s a giant but Nelson was nowhere near that. Nelson was like 5’8”.
As I think many of us suspected, Nelson is going to get a lot of interest in the portal. He was highly recruited out of high school has an array of really nice offensive moves and I think the portal, particularly for guards, his defenses deficiencies will not be as noticeable.
While I am sad to see Nelson leave, he was just lost on defense at the end of the year, and that was going to be an ongoing issue regarding his PT moving forward.
Agree. I missed the comment from dad. Height inflation occurs we've done it here too, but Smith definitely does not look smaller than Nelson. Have to see in person but pics provide something. He's also dunked in a game and there aren't too many Spud Webbs out there. If he's 5'8 u r talking 4-5 inches on inflation, thats not happening imo.
Of course players can improve their skills, though where a player starts (beginning aptitude & skill level) does play a role in development. It is my opinion that if Nelson takes an offer from a P6 program, he will be sitting on the bench. That presupposes that the P6 has other guards on their roster. If a team has a gaping hole, maybe different - just as at Richmond last year.
1) I suspect that most who watched Nelson play last year would agree that his defensive performance was shown to be well below average college standards of success. This issue will be magnified at a higher level absent much improvement.
2) I suspect that most who watched Nelson play last year would agree that his on court decision-making was shown to be well below average college standards of success. This could be magnified at a higher level absent much improvement.
3) I suspect that most who watched Nelson play last year would agree that his playmaking ability (running the team) was shown to be below average college standards of success.
4) I suspect that most who watched Nelson play last year would agree that his ball handling performance (passing, turnovers, assists, and performance against pressure) was shown to be low average to below college standards of success. This would be magnified at a higher level absent much improvement.
5) I suspect that most who watched Nelson play last year would agree that his offensive performance though inconsistent (as expected), was also very good at times. In my view, this area was his strongest contribution last year, likely to improve with time, and likely his best potential attribute regarding his future college career.
I hope that Nelson, by all accounts a fine young man, finds a great fit for himself, and that he improves to whatever level he desires. He may think that it is below him, but, to me a place like Liberty seems a place where he could enjoy a great career.
Putting the car keys in his hands last season very likely did him a disservice.
1) I suspect that most who watched Nelson play last year would agree that his defensive performance was shown to be well below average college standards of success. This issue will be magnified at a higher level absent much improvement.
2) I suspect that most who watched Nelson play last year would agree that his on court decision-making was shown to be well below average college standards of success. This could be magnified at a higher level absent much improvement.
3) I suspect that most who watched Nelson play last year would agree that his playmaking ability (running the team) was shown to be below average college standards of success.
4) I suspect that most who watched Nelson play last year would agree that his ball handling performance (passing, turnovers, assists, and performance against pressure) was shown to be low average to below college standards of success. This would be magnified at a higher level absent much improvement.
5) I suspect that most who watched Nelson play last year would agree that his offensive performance though inconsistent (as expected), was also very good at times. In my view, this area was his strongest contribution last year, likely to improve with time, and likely his best potential attribute regarding his future college career.
I hope that Nelson, by all accounts a fine young man, finds a great fit for himself, and that he improves to whatever level he desires. He may think that it is below him, but, to me a place like Liberty seems a place where he could enjoy a great career.
Putting the car keys in his hands last season very likely did him a disservice.
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The kid just needs a good coach. Watch him if he gets one.
