Is this the worse defensive team ever?
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If one of our assistants gets an offer as a head coach somewhere, or gets a great offer as an assistant somewhere else, and leaves UR, then Mooney should break the bank and offer Carlin Hartman a job. When he was here, Geriot rebounded like a beast. Since Hartman left, rebounding has been an elective course, in my opinion. Rice has only won 12 games this year at this point.
I know that Carlin had to resign because of the limit of text messages to recruits - but the NCAA changed the rule after it was revealed to be an idiotic rule. When a recruit texts you and says, "Nice win tonight, Coach" and you text back, "Thanks," it is not a recruiting text message - it is just being polite. That is why they changed the rule. Carlin should he welcomed back while Mooney still has multiple years left on his contract.
Now - don't start asking me if I would fire an assistant just to bring Carlin back.... Ain't going there... Not my business...
I know that Carlin had to resign because of the limit of text messages to recruits - but the NCAA changed the rule after it was revealed to be an idiotic rule. When a recruit texts you and says, "Nice win tonight, Coach" and you text back, "Thanks," it is not a recruiting text message - it is just being polite. That is why they changed the rule. Carlin should he welcomed back while Mooney still has multiple years left on his contract.
Now - don't start asking me if I would fire an assistant just to bring Carlin back.... Ain't going there... Not my business...
Here is a T-D article related to my last post:
http://www.richmond.com/sports/article_48c3cef7-c7cd-5bd3-aafe-be978809e204.html
http://www.richmond.com/sports/article_48c3cef7-c7cd-5bd3-aafe-be978809e204.html
Are you saying that teams like Longwood & Presbyterian skewed out stats?
Are these %s of rebounds for our teams totals as in TA rebounds 19.5% of our defensive rebounds?
No. "This is the percentage of possible defensive rebounds a player gets."
Not sure how it is calculated but likely something similar to % of opponent misses while the player is on the floor.
Stats indicate 2006-2007 was worse with starters - Geroit, Gonzalvez, Butler, Thomas, and Brian Morris.
Thomas as a senior, all others freshman...
Are you saying that teams like Longwood & Presbyterian skewed out stats?
If we are talking efficiency numbers, these games did skew are stats in a negative way. We would have better efficiency numbers if our games against cupcakes didn't count since we performed relatively worse against them than high level competition.
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Take the number of rebounds a player gets and divide by the number of missed shots when the player was on the court. TA pulls down 1 out of every 5 opponent missed shots and 1 of every 12 of our missed shots when he is on the court.
I don't think it matters what defense we play, because we either aren't taught or aren't held accountable to execute basic defensive fundamentals. Boxing out is the top weakness-we haven't done that in 11 years. But closing out on shooters while staying in rebounding position instead of just flying into the crowd, stopping baseline drives by staying low and planting your foot on the baseline to force the player back into the middle. Not to mention just staying low and moving feet to stay in front of players. We are awful at all of it as a group. And it won't improve unless it is taught correctly and players held to a standard of execution. So I don't have a lot of faith for next year either.
we did play 3-2 and a lot of 2-3 just like this board has been clamoring for. they both got abused for dunks and 11 3's . Fore can defend, and SDJ's defense didn't seem like the problem, but the others can't keep penetration out of the lane. specifically Terry, Trey and Marshall would get flat out beat off the dribble forcing help. next thing you know, Tillman's hanging on the rim. and while rebounding is never our strength, it was worse out of the straight zones as you don't have a man you're marking to get in front of. Mooney had to go back to the base defense. not because it was effective, but because it was less awful.
I know coachfezz doesn't like shot blockers, but if perimeter guys can't stop penetration then you better have one and we don't ... now or next year.
I know coachfezz doesn't like shot blockers, but if perimeter guys can't stop penetration then you better have one and we don't ... now or next year.
Are there many teams who's leading rebounder averages more than the opposing team averages? That would be something...
UVA is a great defensive team and plays a defense we could play. They play packline defense made famous by Bennet's dad and now played by a number of really good defensive teams (Xavier riding their version into Top 10). It couldn't be more opposite than our Man in many many ways. My AAU team plays packline. One of the best parts about it is its a great defense when you DON"T have superior athletes and its a great defense to rebound out of. My kids are undersized, less athletic and less talented than most everyone we play, but we are an awesome defensive team and we give up very few offensive rebounds.
That's a marriage of a system that puts them in position to do things they can do and kids who would run through a wall for EACH OTHER (not for me, but for each other!). We lack both.
That's a marriage of a system that puts them in position to do things they can do and kids who would run through a wall for EACH OTHER (not for me, but for each other!). We lack both.
By the way, the most telling thing to me about how bad our defense is and how badly either they are coached or how little they listen or care is to watch us close out on shooters. Nothing that we do is good on close outs at all and the crazy stupid number of flybys we have at shooters is the most telling (but not only) thing evidencing that. No one should be taught that that is appropriate. That seems an overreaction to a couple of bad fouls on three point shooters we took last year. But if your coaching reaction (or a players reaction) to that is to jump past and next to the shooter and not recognize that poor fundamentals in close-outs caused those fouls, then your going to be in a world of hurt defensively (and so we are)!
The defense is fine as a scheme. It has worked well for many, many years under Mooney. Mooney has successfully coached the defense to many classes of spiders. The execution this year is the problem, and part of that falls on Mooney, but a lot also falls on our current players as well.
I hate the flying 3pt close out. There is virtually nothing to be gained in this approach and quite a bit to lose. The team is clearly coached to do it, every player on our team does this. Statistically, something in our three point D works as it's been very low historically, but I'd be surprised if this technique is the culprit.
I am sure I will be called a dummy, but I just think shooters are more relaxed shooting against us because they know if they miss their team has an excellent chance of getting the offensive rebound. They don't shoot and run, they shoot and attack.
I know coachfezz doesn't like shot blockers, but if perimeter guys can't stop penetration then you better have one and we don't ... now or next year
Hello ! I think Coach needs a block the shot for his favorite defense to work and this is the weakness along with not re switching when midmatvh . But then he will not play pivot who can score. His defense is very easy for dribble penetration. I always wanted to see ANO and Cline together. I think this would have been working very good but Coach liking DT playing could not see ANO and Cline. I think sometimes Coach get too fancy with the thoughts.
Hello ! I think Coach needs a block the shot for his favorite defense to work and this is the weakness along with not re switching when midmatvh . But then he will not play pivot who can score. His defense is very easy for dribble penetration. I always wanted to see ANO and Cline together. I think this would have been working very good but Coach liking DT playing could not see ANO and Cline. I think sometimes Coach get too fancy with the thoughts.
no even half decent shooter thinks "at least we'll get a rebound if I miss". ever. I suck compared to these guys and I never took a shot I thought I'd miss in my life.
Agree with fezz, I posted several times that I wanted to see ano at 5, tj at 4 and ta at 3 as I felt that provided several
Options on O and still preserved some interior defense.
I did once in a pick up game...
I was guarded at half court by a 6'7" defender. The only players around the basket were a 6'3" team mate and 5'9" opponent.
So I threw up a high arcing half court shot hoping to hit the rim. But I missed...Swish!
Yes, I know what you meant and I agree. Just wanted a chance to tell that story.
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