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How many non-conference wins this season?

'18-'19 non-conference predictions

  • 6 wins or less (under .500)

    Votes: 14 31.8%

  • 7-9 wins (over .500)

    Votes: 23 52.3%

  • 10+ wins

    Votes: 7 15.9%
  • Total voters
    44
  • Poll closed .
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I know it's still a little early, but with the schedule out, rosters set, and not much else to talk about it right now, it seems like a good time to take a shot at predictions for our non-conference record this year.

I did this same poll last year right before the season started and it's interesting to look back at that thread. 70% of the board (including myself) picked us to go over .500 (we weren't close).

I've copied and pasted the schedule from the other thread. Feel free to comment on specific games or just guess the overall record.


11/9 - Longwood
11/14 - St. Francis (NY)
11/16 - IUPUI
11/19 - Loyola Chicago*
11/21 - Boston College/Wyoming*
11/25 - Hampton
11/28 - at Georgetown
12/1 - Wake Forest
12/5 - Coppin State
12/15 - Oral Roberts
12/19 - Old Dominion
12/22 - High point**
12/29 - at South Alabama

* Fort Myers, Floria
** Game is played in Washington, DC
 
I'm going to say 11 wins. Loyola Chicago is tough. BC/Georgetown/Wake are teetering and big in conference affiliation only. Everyone else on this schedule is trash. With three likely All A10 performers in Gilly, Golden, and Nick, we just need to find about 5 guys to play defense, make open shots, and not lose games. I am on board with VT4700's thinking on this. I think we win 23 games overall. Pretty pumped. I am now embracing this weak, POS schedule. Let's go out and stomp these teams. Since we off boarded Buck and Fore I am excited to see the chemistry form. Little worried about defense, but think our new staff additions will help straighten this out.
 
I'm going to say 9. hopefully I'm conservative.
we get better as the year goes on, but a ton of new faces.
 
I am thinking 9 wins. I think a couple of these teams might be a little better than they seem, and we will be a better team during conference play than non conference play as these new guys get more and more comfortable. 9-4 would be a positive start heading into A-10 play. I am much more interested in how A-10 play turns out, and see no reason why we cannot finish with 10-12 A-10 wins and maybe get a top 4 seed heading into the A-10 tourney with a realistic chance to win the thing.
 
11/9 - Longwood - L
11/14 - St. Francis (NY) - W
11/16 - IUPUI - W
11/19 - Loyola Chicago* - L
11/21 - Boston College/Wyoming* - L
11/25 - Hampton - W
11/28 - at Georgetown - L
12/1 - Wake Forest - L
12/5 - Coppin State - W
12/15 - Oral Roberts - W
12/19 - Old Dominion - L
12/22 - High point** - W
12/29 - at South Alabama - L



* Fort Myers, Floria
** Game is played in Washington, DC

I think we finish with a 6-7 record. I may have been a little on the lower side with wins, but I predict a 6-8 win OOC record
 
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I am thinking 7-6, maybe 8-5.

To be in NCAA consideration with this weak schedule - we would need to win 11 games. And then still finish top 3 A10.
 
spiderstudent17 said:
11/9 - Longwood - L
11/14 - St. Francis (NY) - W
11/16 - IUPUI - W
11/19 - Loyola Chicago* - L
11/21 - Boston College/Wyoming* - L
11/25 - Hampton - W
11/28 - at Georgetown - L
12/1 - Wake Forest - L
12/5 - Coppin State - W
12/15 - Oral Roberts - W
12/19 - Old Dominion - L
12/22 - High point** - W
12/29 - at South Alabama - L



* Fort Myers, Floria
** Game is played in Washington, DC

I think we finish with a 6-7 record. I may have been a little on the lower side with wins, but I predict a 6-8 win OOC record
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Ouch a home opener loss to Longwood
 
spiderstudent17 said:
11/9 - Longwood - L
11/14 - St. Francis (NY) - W
11/16 - IUPUI - W
11/19 - Loyola Chicago* - L
11/21 - Boston College/Wyoming* - L
11/25 - Hampton - W
11/28 - at Georgetown - L
12/1 - Wake Forest - L
12/5 - Coppin State - W
12/15 - Oral Roberts - W
12/19 - Old Dominion - L
12/22 - High point** - W
12/29 - at South Alabama - L



* Fort Myers, Floria
** Game is played in Washington, DC

I think we finish with a 6-7 record. I may have been a little on the lower side with wins, but I predict a 6-8 win OOC record
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I have over predicted Mooney's OOC record every single this year. Fool me once shame on me, fool me like 7 years running now, well still shame on me.

So, I think we go 7-6. I see us losing to Loyola, BC, Georgetown, Wake, and ODU. And then of course, we will lose at least one game that we have no business losing to.
 
I voted under 6, but forgot the cupcake schedule Mooney put together. I'll say middle of the road 8 wins.
 
We always lose an ooc game that we should win at the beginning of each year. Guessing it’s IUPUI this year.
 
History has not been kind on OOC recently, and I’d argue this roster is even less prepared than those recent cases. I think we will end up around .500 OOC. I admire the optimists, and I hope to be wrong.
 
Gilly, Sherod, and Golden have a ton of experience and likely all 3 to land among the first and second all A10 teams. Cayo another year to get better. Woj and Gussy will man the other back court spot. Tomas and Sal will contribute. JJ and Yates super subs. I think 10 wins is very very in the realm if possibility.
 
Highly unlikely to get double digit wins even with this schedule. Somewhere between 6-8.
 
I voted 10+.

Oh, wait....was the question conference non-wins? [/kidding]

Since we seemingly hired Georgetown's scheduler, we should be able to win 10 of those games.
 
looks like some people who are complaining that the schedule is too weak this year are also predicting that we can't win half the games with that weak schedule. but you want a harder schedule. this year. that's confusing. o_O
 
spiderman said:
looks like some people who are complaining that the schedule is too weak this year are also predicting that we can't win half the games with that weak schedule. but you want a harder schedule. this year. that's confusing. o_O
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There's nothing confusing about it. The complaint of the weak schedule is that it is designed for Mooney to win more games this year to give the appearance that we are getting better as a team. So, if we were hypothetically to garner a 9-4 or 10-3 record it isn't representative of our improvement as a team, but rather just lowering of the competition.

Predicting winning half of the games is my way of saying tthat this schedule's attempt will finally crash down on Mooney and hopefully will be the impetus of his firing. For too long he has used losing to better teams as excuse, youth, etc. If he loses these games, it'll hopefully show the reality to even the most ardent Mooney supporter that he isn't cut out to coach at this level. So on one hand, the schedule is weak and designed to show improvement as a team via a better W-L OOC record for Mooney to keep his job. However, I think Mooney will fail to meet the expectations that the easy schedule is aiming for, and it'll make the decision to release him that much easier.

Lastly, harder schedule, easier schedule I couldn't care less. I want to make the NCAA tournament. The argument though, is if we go 10-3 with this schedule, we really haven't built an NCAA resume. However, if we play a few harder teams and win those games we at least have some at-large opportunities. It essentially boils down to the fact that we give ourselves no chance of an at-large bid with winning an easy OOC schedule but can hurt ourselves easily if we lose a bunch of 200+ rpi games. At least with a harder schedule we give ourselves the chance to create an at-large resume by winning those games and if we lose we're back to needing to win the A10 to make the tournament, which is where we are anyway with this schedule. The schedule we currently have is futile which by definition is "incapable of producing any useful results"
 
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when I said it was confusing, I didn't mean I was confused. clearly some people actually want this team to fail miserably so they get the coaching change they want. I'm not one of those people.
 
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11 - 2.....I am very ambitious!!!

11/9 - Longwood W
11/14 - St. Francis (NY) W
11/16 - IUPUI W
11/19 - Loyola Chicago* L
11/21 - Boston College/Wyoming* W
11/25 - Hampton W
11/28 - at Georgetown L
12/1 - Wake Forest W
12/5 - Coppin State W
12/15 - Oral Roberts W
12/19 - Old Dominion W
12/22 - High point** W
12/29 - at South Alabama W

* Fort Myers, Florida
** Game is played in Washington, DC
 
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spiderman said:
when I said it was confusing, I didn't mean I was confused. clearly some people actually want this team to fail miserably so they get the coaching change they want. I'm not one of those people.
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Neither am I. Personally (I can't speak for others) I am not fundamentally anti-Mooney. I am pro-Richmond basketball and want what is best for our program to succeed at the level we aspire. If Mooney figures it out and takes us to the NCAA tournament this year then, great, he deserves to remain our coach for the time being. I don't want to see my most beloved program fail just for the sake of firing a coach, if in fact Mooney can turn things around. Objectively, though, I look at Mooney's tenure here, his tenure at Air Force and I come to the conclusion that the guy is just simply average and I have my doubts that in his 12th year here, he can turn things around. Again, if I'm wrong, then he should stay.

I don't want the administration to be stubborn and have tunnel-vision by sticking with Mooney, endlessly trying to create justifications to keep him i.e. having an above average OOC record with an easy schedule. For some posters, they may want to have a bad year this year because they believe we will be better in the long-run with a different coach. I am not one of those people. I want us to succeed every possible year. However, if we do have another bad year this year, I also don't want to just sweep it under the rug. We need to look at the facts and make the appropriate change
 
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Issue here is here only needs to win about 7 games in the OOC and then assume he wins 8-9 in the A10 (like he did last year) then you can still make the classic arguments - young team, getting better, next year will be the year. Only way you can't make that argument is if we win 12 or less games this year - which I just don't see being the case with this record and our track record in the A10 where we always seem to get at least 8-9 wins.
 
This year's schedule is really not a lot different from most of the out of conference schedules we have played. Even going back to previous coaches. Last year's schedule was a little bit harder than normal, and this year's schedule is a little bit easier than normal, but when you really break it down, it is not that much different than a lot of our past schedules.

We usually have about five or six games we should win, about four or five where we should be underdogs, and maybe a couple of toss ups. I think it is fair to say this schedule comes close to matching that.
 
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11/9 - Longwood W
11/14 - St. Francis (NY) W
11/16 - IUPUI W
11/19 - Loyola Chicago* L
11/21 - Boston College/Wyoming* L
11/25 - Hampton W
11/28 - at Georgetown L
12/1 - Wake Forest L
12/5 - Coppin State W
12/15 - Oral Roberts W
12/19 - Old Dominion L
12/22 - High point** L
12/29 - at South Alabama L

6-7
 
97spiderfan said:
I have over predicted Mooney's OOC record every single this year. Fool me once shame on me, fool me like 7 years running now, well still shame on me.

So, I think we go 7-6. I see us losing to Loyola, BC, Georgetown, Wake, and ODU. And then of course, we will lose at least one game that we have no business losing to.
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Yeah, this. I don't see us beating those five, and as 97 says, we always lose one ridiculous game. I'm hoping its not ORU again.
 
VT4700 said:
This year's schedule is really not a lot different from most of the out of conference schedules we have played. Even going back to previous coaches. Last year's schedule was a little bit harder than normal, and this year's schedule is a little bit easier than normal, but when you really break it down, it is not that much different than a lot of our past schedules.

We usually have about five or six games we should win, about four or five where we should be underdogs, and maybe a couple of toss ups. I think it is fair to say this schedule comes close to matching that.
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I think one big difference is that most years, we have at least 1-2 games on the schedule that rate as potentially significant wins and carry brand name cache. This schedule doesn't have that, unless you consider Loyola to be one, and I'd argue that they aren't carrying brand name cache in the same way that UNC, Cincinnati, etc. have in recent years.

All of the brand names on our schedule are bottom-dwelling types in their conferences, so overall, the schedule feels a lot less competitive just by virtue of missing scheduling 1-2 high end games.
 
11/9 - Longwood W
11/14 - St. Francis (NY) W
11/16 - IUPUI W
11/19 - Loyola Chicago* L
11/21 - Boston College/Wyoming* L
11/25 - Hampton W
11/28 - at Georgetown W
12/1 - Wake Forest W
12/5 - Coppin State W
12/15 - Oral Roberts W (Robert getting Oral after Coppin a feel on State)
12/19 - Old Dominion W (uneasy with this one - Zero Your my Hero!!)
12/22 - High point** W (no Justyn Mutts, No problem)
12/29 - at South Alabama W
 
Mooney doesn't typically schedule hard in OOC, and it seems like he and staff rely heavily on these OOC tourneys to get us a good game. But problem is - when you are not very good, you don't get invited to the good tourneys.

This year I think is worse than normal - and that might be design. Looking at the schedule, our big games are Loyola, Georgetown, and Wake - and really G-Town and Wake are only there because of they are power 5 schools, they are actually not very good probably no better than half the A10 teams right now. Other issue with us not being very good lately is it makes it harder to get a good team to play us. Sure - they don't want to play us when we are good, but the risk is better to play us when we are good becaue if they lose - not as bad a blemish. But when you are bad - the risk is too great. Lose - and it ruins their profile. Plus we play a system that many teams likely don't care to play against 1 game.
 
I voted 6, changed it to 8, but now I'm thinking 6 wasn't so far off:

11/9 - Longwood W
11/14 - St. Francis (NY) W
11/16 - IUPUI L
11/19 - Loyola Chicago* L
11/21 - Boston College/Wyoming* W (depends on who we play - could be an L)
11/25 - Hampton W
11/28 - at Georgetown L
12/1 - Wake Forest L
12/5 - Coppin State W
12/15 - Oral Roberts W
12/19 - Old Dominion L
12/22 - High point** W
12/29 - at South Alabama W (I only put W because I think things should gel by now. If it were played in November, almost certain L)
 
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After reading the college book today. Longwood is a very easy win. ODU and Wake Forest have always been bad matchups. I see us winning about 7 or 8 out of conference that's what I hope for. We did lose to Oral Robers when we had TJ Cline like to bring that up.
 
Gospiders06 said:
After reading the college book today. Longwood is a very easy win. ODU and Wake Forest have always been bad matchups. I see us winning about 7 or 8 out of conference that's what I hope for. We did lose to Oral Robers when we had TJ Cline like to bring that up.
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Longwood might be one of the 20 of the worst teams in college basketball. They won 7 games last year and we are game 1 for their new coach. If we don't win by at least 20 on our home court with a 14 year tenured head coach and A-10 talent, it is going to be pretty telling as to how our season is going to look.
 
Didn't vote but will state where 8-0 MUST be the record for Mooney's team. Brief history summary below for those 8 opponents (7 home and 1 away in S Ala).

11/9 - Longwood
from 26th ranked conference 0 NCAA bids last 13 years
19-69 conf. record last 5 years

11/14 - St. Francis (NY)
from 29th ranked conf. 0 NCAA bids " " "
47-41 conf. record last 5 years

11/16 - IUPUI
from 24th ranked conf. 0 NCAA bids " " "
8-10 conf. record 1st year in Horizon

11/25 - Hampton
from 32rd ranked conf. 4 NCAA bids " " "
57-23 conf. record last 5 years with 2 NCAA bids

12/5 - Coppin State
from 32rd ranked conf. 1 NCAA bid " " "
31-49 conf. record last 5 years, only bid from 2008

12/15 - Oral Roberts
from 14th ranked conf. 3 NCAA bids " " "
35-45 conf. record last 5 years, last bid in 2008

12/22 - High point
from 26th ranked conf. 0 NCAA bids " " "
56-32 conf. record last 5 years

12/29 - at South Alabama
from 16th ranked conf. 2 NCAA bids " " "
36-58 conf. record last 5 years, last bid in 2008
 
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