Higher probability of Mooney getting contract extension than leaving early.

[GKiller]

The post I referred to was comparing them right now. So, looking at the most recent games, we swept them last year.

So last year games is “right now”? Got it. I’d say right now VCU has the best OOC performance in A10 and we have one of the worst. They are in a much better basketball place. Nobody could reasonably dispute that. Glad we swept last year but doesn’t change that fact.

Regardless your reply got me thinking...what does last year sweep make Mooney’s all time record vs VCU...do u know? If not maybe someone else has that info. I do not. From prior posts u strike me as a stats & rules guy.

 

[spiderstudent17]

So last year games is “right now”? Got it. I’d say right now VCU has the best OOC performance in A10 and we have one of the worst. They are in a much better basketball place. Nobody could reasonably dispute that. Glad we swept last year but doesn’t change that fact.

Regardless your reply got me thinking...what does last year sweep make Mooney’s all time record vs VCU...do u know? If not maybe someone else has that info. I do not. From prior posts u strike me as a stats & rules guy.

I think he’s 6-16 if I counted correctly since 2005

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_City_Classic

 

[ur2K]

And 0-3 in the A10 tournament.

 

[whampas]

But he can cook!!!

 

[UR80sfan]

Comparing Mooney's record to VCU is an unfair comparison. VCU has a huge recruiting advantage over us. They have very low academic standards for their regular students and I can't imagine how low they are for the men's basketball team. What do you guys think you need to get by VCU admissions? High school graduate? No criminal record or at least no felony in last 6 months? Not addicted to drugs?

 

[urfan1]

Comparing Mooney's record to VCU is an unfair comparison. VCU has a huge recruiting advantage over us. They have very low academic standards for their regular students and I can't imagine how low they are for the men's basketball team. What do you guys think you need to get by VCU admissions? High school graduate? No criminal record or at least no felony in last 6 months? Not addicted to drugs?

So we should give up trying to beat vcu? You have to find a way to beat your "rivals" -- if you cannot you aren't getting the job done.

 

[Stork3]

Tarrant beat better teams regularly. Beilein beat better teams regularly. It can be done at Richmond.

 

[VT4700]

So last year games is “right now”? Got it. I’d say right now VCU has the best OOC performance in A10 and we have one of the worst. They are in a much better basketball place. Nobody could reasonably dispute that. Glad we swept last year but doesn’t change that fact.

Regardless your reply got me thinking...what does last year sweep make Mooney’s all time record vs VCU...do u know? If not maybe someone else has that info. I do not. From prior posts u strike me as a stats & rules guy.

Interesting that you do not know about google. It is a neat site where you can look things up. Maybe you should learn about that instead of worrying about Mooney's record against VCU.

 

[whampas]

Interesting that you do not know about google. It is a neat site where you can look things up. Maybe you should learn about that instead of worrying about Mooney's record against VCU.

But he can cook!!!

 

[VT4700]

Tarrant beat better teams regularly. Beilein beat better teams regularly. It can be done at Richmond.

Loved Beilein and still do, but I'm not sure it is accurate to say he regularly beat better teams. If you are talking VCU, I don't think they were better than us pre Shaka when Beilein was here.

 

[ur2K]

Comparing Mooney's record to VCU is an unfair comparison. VCU has a huge recruiting advantage over us. They have very low academic standards for their regular students and I can't imagine how low they are for the men's basketball team. What do you guys think you need to get by VCU admissions? High school graduate? No criminal record or at least no felony in last 6 months? Not addicted to drugs?

This is ridiculous. We’re in the same conference.

 

[whampas]

Loved Beilein and still do, but I'm not sure it is accurate to say he regularly beat better teams. If you are talking VCU, I don't think they were better than us pre Shaka when Beilein was here.

Why don't you Google the series record and let that determine who's the better program.

 

[UR80sfan]

Tarrant beat better teams regularly. Beilein beat better teams regularly. It can be done at Richmond.

In 5 years Beilein took us to a grand total of 1 NCAA Tournaments and then he left. Hope our new coach has that much success. Dooley took us to none in 4 years and Wainwright took us to 1 in 3 years before he left. Over those 11 years we made it twice to the big dance. Those were the glory days!

 

[AnnapSpider]

Comparing Mooney's record to VCU is an unfair comparison. VCU has a huge recruiting advantage over us. They have very low academic standards for their regular students and I can't imagine how low they are for the men's basketball team. What do you guys think you need to get by VCU admissions? High school graduate? No criminal record or at least no felony in last 6 months? Not addicted to drugs?

I find this as a bogus argument. There are a lot kids that could play for us, academically.
Stanford, Duke, Villanova, Georgetown, Vanderbilt, etc. etc. all have players that could play
at UR. We just don’t get them.

 

[GKiller]

Interesting that you do not know about google. It is a neat site where you can look things up. Maybe you should learn about that instead of worrying about Mooney's record against VCU.

No let’s not worry about head to head performance against our intra city rival. What fan would care about that? Perhaps UR80sfan can persuade the NCAA to no longer keep score in these games.

Back to this Google thing. I wonder if it will tell me if 6-16 is a good record. So new to me but excited to find out!

 

[Eight Legger]

In 5 years Beilein took us to a grand total of 1 NCAA Tournaments and then he left. Hope our new coach has that much success. Dooley took us to none in 4 years and Wainwright took us to 1 in 3 years before he left. Over those 11 years we made it twice to the big dance. Those were the glory days!

Beilein inherited a team with four seniors that sucked for three years and immediately took it to the tournament. He then had to start over with younger players and took us to the NIT once from the CAA, no small feat, and we would have made the NCAAs had the CAA not barred us from the league tourney. Then he took us to the A10 title game in our first year in the league and another deep NIT run.

Yes, those were the glory days, especially considering we were in a one-bid league four of his five years.

 

[VT4700]

I find this as a bogus argument. There are a lot kids that could play for us, academically.
Stanford, Duke, Villanova, Georgetown, Vanderbilt, etc. etc. all have players that could play
at UR. We just don’t get them.

Are you really saying we should get players that end up at Duke and Villanova? I know. I know. Here come the posts that say I am not setting high enough goals. Because we clearly should get those Duke and Nova guys, right?

 

[MrTbone]

In 5 years Beilein took us to a grand total of 1 NCAA Tournaments and then he left. Hope our new coach has that much success. Dooley took us to none in 4 years and Wainwright took us to 1 in 3 years before he left. Over those 11 years we made it twice to the big dance. Those were the glory days!

2 ncaas in 11 years is sounding awfully good right about now.

 

[PASpider]

I will cheer on the Spiders regardless of coach, but here is why I think Mooney has a higher probability getting contract extension then leaving early.

1. The university is not a democracy, It is controlled by the administration, board of trustees and major donors that have a lot of high priorities. I have never heard the president of the University mention that basketball was one of the top priorities.

2. The number one goal of the administration is academics and this applies to athletics. The administration puts great value on running a clean program made up of good students. The president of the University has complimented Mooney for how he runs the program in this regard.

3. The administration has very different views on what a successful basketball season looks like than people on this forum including me. My guess is that they think Mooney has done an acceptable job over time. He has fairly consistently been in the top half of the A10, including 5th place last year. I do not think it is a goal of this administration to have a top 50 program that competes for an NCAA bid each year.

4. The bar to get fired is much higher when it requires breaking a contract. It is a large expenses that is not in the budget. It might require funding outside of the annual fund which would be very difficult to obtain.

5. We have had 3 straight very good recruiting classes with a lot of very young high quality players on the team. The team has the potential to have very good seasons the next 2 years and be in the hunt to make the NCAAs both of those years. This is perfect timing for Mooney, because it is when the university needs to make a decision relative to extending the contract.

In fairness, I don’t remember a college president ever saying one of the school’s priorities is to have a good basketball team.

 

[SpiderDaMan]

Comparing Mooney's record to VCU is an unfair comparison. VCU has a huge recruiting advantage over us. They have very low academic standards for their regular students and I can't imagine how low they are for the men's basketball team. What do you guys think you need to get by VCU admissions? High school graduate? No criminal record or at least no felony in last 6 months? Not addicted to drugs?

This comment is just bogus...

Really, you're going to that lame "low academic standards" thing after a storied program went to the crapper with Mooney? Well maybe I'll get ugly for a minute just for the heckuv it...no, I'll hold my tongue. You know exactly what I'm thinking.

 

[Wood Hall]

This is ridiculous. We’re in the same conference.

So are Vandy and Mississippi State. Are you saying their admission standards are the same, too?

I think we need a change as well, but to deny the differing admission standards is to deny the truth.

 

[AnnapSpider]

Are you really saying we should get players that end up at Duke and Villanova? I know. I know. Here come the posts that say I am not setting high enough goals. Because we clearly should get those Duke and Nova guys, right?

No, you missed my point. I’m just saying that there are a lot of good basketball players who also
can academically be part of a top college program.
Do I think we can get guys that go to Duke- ha, I only wish.
No, my point is this nonsense about VCU’s academic standards gives them an edge.
Do they only have academically challenged players- of course not. But it’s an excuse that
people on this board love to preach. To which I say-bull!

 

[Eight Legger]

Davidson won this freaking league last year with tougher academic standards than we have. We can always find excuses to justify why we suck, or we can figure out a way to win for a change.

 

[Marley13]

Here’s a new idea. How about a new coach?

 

[VT4700]

No, you missed my point. I’m just saying that there are a lot of good basketball players who also
can academically be part of a top college program.
Do I think we can get guys that go to Duke- ha, I only wish.
No, my point is this nonsense about VCU’s academic standards gives them an edge.
Do they only have academically challenged players- of course not. But it’s an excuse that
people on this board love to preach. To which I say-bull!

Understood. And I agree with you.

 

[ChoppinBroccoli]

I think he’s 6-16 if I counted correctly since 2005

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_City_Classic

Not fair. You Wiki'd it. You need to Google it.

 

[ChoppinBroccoli]

So are Vandy and Mississippi State. Are you saying their admission standards are the same, too?

I think we need a change as well, but to deny the differing admission standards is to deny the truth.

He's not denying the different admission standards. He's calling the "unfairness" claim ridiculous. Which it is.

Vanderbilt > Mississippi State in basketball 5 of the last 6 seasons, by the way.

 

[UR80sfan]

Not fair. You Wiki'd it. You need to Google it.

As mentioned previously, until we make basketball a higher priority it is unfair to compare our coaches to VCU. Dick Tarrant was 9-15 against a VCU team that only made the NCAA's 3 times during his 12 years as coach. Based on this is he a bad coach?

Mooney has had to take on VCU during a period where they made 9 NCAA appearances including a final 4. Most of these they earned by receiving an invitation and not winning the conference tournament.

 

[SpiderDaMan]

As mentioned previously, until we make basketball a higher priority it is unfair to compare our coaches to VCU. Dick Tarrant was 9-15 against a VCU team that only made the NCAA's 3 times during his 12 years as coach. Based on this is he a bad coach?

Mooney has had to take on VCU during a period where they made 9 NCAA appearances including a final 4. Most of these they earned by receiving an invitation and not winning the conference tournament.

And this means what? What about all the rest of the teams played in the A10?

GW 36-53
VCU 30-51
DAVIDSON 16-33
DAYTON 9-18
LASALLE 18-15
ST JOE 9-17
TEMPLE 9-11
ST LOUIS 7-9
DUQESNE 22-8
UMASS 13-6
BONNIES 16-9
RI 14-10
GMU 36-24
FORDHAM 19-8
XAVIER 5-13
BUTLER 1-1

OVERALL 260-286
VS HISTORICAL TOP TEAMS IN A10 90-163

Kind of mirrors recent years.

 

[Eight Legger]

As mentioned previously, until we make basketball a higher priority it is unfair to compare our coaches to VCU. Dick Tarrant was 9-15 against a VCU team that only made the NCAA's 3 times during his 12 years as coach. Based on this is he a bad coach?

Mooney has had to take on VCU during a period where they made 9 NCAA appearances including a final 4. Most of these they earned by receiving an invitation and not winning the conference tournament.

What does it mean to make it a priority? We are spending more money on the basketball program than almost every other school in the league. That indicates it's a priority to me. The problem is that the results do not mirror the expenditures. And that lands squarely on the coach.

 

[ChoppinBroccoli]

As mentioned previously, until we make basketball a higher priority it is unfair to compare our coaches to VCU. Dick Tarrant was 9-15 against a VCU team that only made the NCAA's 3 times during his 12 years as coach. Based on this is he a bad coach?

Mooney has had to take on VCU during a period where they made 9 NCAA appearances including a final 4. Most of these they earned by receiving an invitation and not winning the conference tournament.

As mentioned previously, the "unfair" argument is ridiculous. Perhaps the most ridiculous of many made on this board. Again, we're in the same conference.
Duke has tougher admissions than most of the schools in the ACC. So does UVA. Michigan has tougher admissions than several Big 10 schools. It's absurd.

In six seasons in the A10, VCU has won 73 reg season games and 13 tourney games. They've been to the finals every year but one.
In those six seasons, we've won 57 reg season games and just 4 tourney games. We've made one semi-final.

 

[nathanw19]

We had our worse year in a long time last year, and still beat them twice.

That was last year. I stated they are in a better place basketball wise right now, referring to this year.

I didn’t think it was controversial.

 

[SpiderGuy]

But he can cook!!!

Maybe so, but we certainly got cooked today by Dayton.

 

[RichmondNative]

I think today’s game proves that there isn’t a higher probability of CM getting an extension.

 

[plydogg]

I think today’s game proves that there isn’t a higher probability of CM getting an extension.

He got his last extension by underachieving. Maybe he thinks downright sucking will get him an even longer one

 

[ChoppinBroccoli]

I think today’s game proves that there isn’t a higher probability of CM getting an extension.

It proves nothing, unfortunately.

 

[SpiderDaMan]

Wow, Gilyard can play. Got 24 of the 48. Can we have him please?

 

[plydogg]

Wow, Gilyard can play. Got 24 of the 48. Can we have him please?

And he only had to take 16 3's to get those 24 points!

 

[97spiderfan]

Beilein inherited a team with four seniors that sucked for three years and immediately took it to the tournament. He then had to start over with younger players and took us to the NIT once from the CAA, no small feat, and we would have made the NCAAs had the CAA not barred us from the league tourney. Then he took us to the A10 title game in our first year in the league and another deep NIT run.

Yes, those were the glory days, especially considering we were in a one-bid league four of his five years.

Facts. Doubt someone knew that because you can't easily google things like this. #realfans knows this stuff by heart because we lived it.

 

[SpiderGuy]

He got his last extension by underachieving. Maybe he thinks downright sucking will get him an even longer one

The long term contract was awful, but the extension was unconscionable. You have to question the logic and foresight of the decision makers. Poor poor decision making.