TJ with his mom as lead assistant, ....or Nancy as HC with TJ as coach in waiting.
Fire the whole team
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8legs1dream
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these are too good of ideas therefore they have zero chance of happening
I disagree. The billboard was the one thing that made them blink.
Can't use the same trick twice. If your really wanting to get rid of Mooney - it takes Money. The school doesn't want to pay him whatever he is owed for the rest of his contract. AND - the school thinks in their eyes he has met their expectations of "competing" which I agree with. He has a good record, we are generally middle of the pack in the A10, we have risen to the top in a very few years. Our athletic department has never come out and said our goal is to win Championships, our goal is beat VCU, our goal is to make the NCAA tourney. Instead - they write strategic plans that use words like "competitive excellence" which is just another way of saying we are excellent competitors. They also say things like "fiscally responsible" which is just another way of saying we will not spend in athletics like our counterparts.
Mooney will get an extension after this season. We will make the NIT, and he will get another 2 year extension. Then with a total rebuild on the way - he just needs to shed a little bit of light and hope with a young team to convince another extension. And the cycle continues. Winning is not important here. Competing is the measuring stick.
Mooney will get an extension after this season. We will make the NIT, and he will get another 2 year extension. Then with a total rebuild on the way - he just needs to shed a little bit of light and hope with a young team to convince another extension. And the cycle continues. Winning is not important here. Competing is the measuring stick.
I agree that he won't be let go after this year. But, boy it is going to be rough next year.
No, you can't. I agree he will probably get an extension unless there is some external pressure brought forth upon them. They are fat and happy in their little insular bubble, the only thing that can change that is to bring a disturbance into that bubble.
I don't know what that is. Agree that billboard has been done and can't go that route again. I'm not creative enough to come up with another idea, but I bet there are folks on here that are.
Making them uncomfortable, might not work, but it really is the only shot we got.
Actually they have said goal is NCAA. Many times. And also goes all the way back to our institutional decision to move to A10 & clear stated reason was more NCAA basketball appearances and exposure. Which makes our status quo nothing is ever wrong mentality all the more disappointing.
8legs1dream
Graduate Assistant
I have already accepted that he won't be sent packing after this season but still holding out hope for no extension at least!
ECAC/CAA: 6 bids in 22 years.
A-10: 3 bids in 19 years. (Leaving out 2020, but that would still only be 4 bids in 20 years if you gave us credit for that one. I tend to think we would have made it as long as we didn't crap the bed in our first A-10 tourney game, but we weren't a lock.)
Our explicitly stated reason for moving conferences hasn't panned out, so what's the plan? Make the changes required to elevate the program to where we're regularly in the mix for at-larges, or should we step down in conference and shoot for auto bids again?
A-10: 3 bids in 19 years. (Leaving out 2020, but that would still only be 4 bids in 20 years if you gave us credit for that one. I tend to think we would have made it as long as we didn't crap the bed in our first A-10 tourney game, but we weren't a lock.)
Our explicitly stated reason for moving conferences hasn't panned out, so what's the plan? Make the changes required to elevate the program to where we're regularly in the mix for at-larges, or should we step down in conference and shoot for auto bids again?
Why in the world would we give him an extension after this year? He's got two years left already. Anyone under the sun could coach this team to the NIT.
It would be a travety to give him an extension. He's done litle to earn it. The justification on accomplishments is nowhere near what would support an extension. If we don't make the NCAA's this year, there is no NCAA in sight in the years that follow. We need fresh coaching & approaches.
If you can guarantee me a billboard gets rid of Mooney, send me your venmo handle so I can donate. I’m just not convinced it would have the desired effect.
And for the record, I still think the billboard was a net positive, as it showed the administration the level of dissatisfaction among the fan base. I don’t buy into the embarrassment to the university talking points. If anything has been an embarrassment to the university, it’s Queally’s “black, brown, and regular students” comment. That made national news and is still causing waves. The billboard was barely a blip in comparison.
If CM can’t make the tournament with this group of players, I don’t see how he ever does again. It will be time to move on.
This presumes Hardt and Hallock care. Huesman decision shows that Hardt doesn’t, hoping hallock might have enough time on the job by march to care.
This presumes Hardt and Hallock care. Huesman decision shows that Hardt doesn’t, hoping hallock might have enough time on the job by march to care.
Scary stuff. Not to mention that we’ve spent a lot more money in the A10, not just on a head coach salary but also on facilities.
8legs1dream
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I cannot envision a scenario where the powers that be would downshift us into a lesser conference that basically never happens and would be admitting defeat.
personally, I don't think it did that at all. I don't think anyone assumed that was some widely organized protest. It wasn't the "fan base" responsible for the billboard. it was believed to be a handful of people if not one person.
not saying others didn't agree with the sentiment.
but I do think it galvanized the team and the "keep Mooney" crowd, even if the results didn't change.
I agree. I didn't have a problem with the billboard. I thought at the very least it showed the fans, even if just a few, were fired up and invested in the program and its success. Something we rarely see at UR with our lackluster crowds, support, and lack of student support in most years.
But I think the administration just looked at it and said - this is probably 5 people pooling their money together and making a statement. They never considered it could be a lot more than that or at the very least - never cared to investigate to find out. PLUS - I think the University administration has a mentality of "We know best" - so if you say fire the coach, that gives them more reason to keep him. Maybe the next billboard should say 10 more years, so they will do the opposite.
I had a huge problem with the billboard, and more specifically the signature. you don't do something like that and sign it "Richmond Fans" as if you speak for all of us. if you want to embarrass the coach, the team, and others at UR then man up and sign it.
Even if it was just a handful of fans that orchestrated the billboard, they probably out numbered the number of students that show for games.
If you want to demonstrate some degree of widespread displeasure with the program, you have to get the groundswell behind it. I actually don’t know that it exists btw. There are a number of folks here in the die hard category who feel this way but I have no real sense if that’s reflective of fans more broadly. My guess is that there are more disillusioned fans than satisfied ones but if you want to demonstrate it, launch a petition and get folks on record.
I don't disagree at all. But personally, I don't think there's a billboard or petition that could influence an administration to do something there're incapable of doing. They just don't care.
Maybe. The petition calling for Coopers removal drew a lot of local Media coverage and I personally believe was heavily influential.
One thing I know is that UR hates turmoil and perceived bad publicity, so public displays of disaffection make wheels turn within the administration.
I don't want to be associated with the fans that keep making excuses for Mooney year after year, and tout minor proficincies of his over the greater issues and repetitive negatives of his coaching and recruiting.
I do think that removal of Hardt, and PQ leaving will need to happen before we can be consistently challenging for A10 championships and ncaa trips.
Or start a gofundme and only allow $1 donation from each person. Billboard goes up when you have collected enough to pay for it…
I will say the billboard lit a fire under some asses for a year, but then faded away.
There is no groundswell because very few people care. We are irrelevant thanks to years of average results on the court and zero NCAA appearances. Our games are run more like a minor league baseball team than a serious D1 basketball program. Instead of 5 dollar tickets to get people in, fix the issues that are preventing us from winning consistently.
To Spideman’s point, imagine if a billboard went up that said “we stand with Coach Mooney”—Richmond Fans.
Imagine the apoplexy on here for the generic signature.
Imagine the apoplexy on here for the generic signature.
Just put the word "some" in front of Richmond fans. It's obvious there are fans on both sides of the ledger. I just know if I were looking for a work force, someone to go to war with, pickup basketball game, etc., gimme the original billboard crew.
This argument is dumb, if anyone thinks a billboard signed "fans" means 100 percent of fans, or that people reading it think that a vote was taken and 100 percent voted for it they are out there. Of course maybe VCU fans believe it.
Went through Philly a few years ago and saw a billboard either bashing or supporting embid and Simmons (can't remember which), I did not think for a second that was the team or ALL fans making the assertion.
Obviously the billboard could have been one fan, four fans, 100, 1000, or a vcu fan.
Went through Philly a few years ago and saw a billboard either bashing or supporting embid and Simmons (can't remember which), I did not think for a second that was the team or ALL fans making the assertion.
Obviously the billboard could have been one fan, four fans, 100, 1000, or a vcu fan.
VCU fans don't want Mooney fired. Why would they?
We are not going to fire a coach mid-season. Let's see how the season plays out and then a decision can be made. There is definitely alumni pressure to be relevent. Would love to see the same level of passion for our basketball team as there is for changing the building names. 
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Fixed it for ya! Love your moniker...We are not going to fire a coach mid-season. Let's see how the season plays out and then a decision can be made. There is definitely alumni pressure to be relevent. Would love to see the same level of passion for our basketball team as there is for changing the building names.
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