Fire Mooney
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What's Coach Beilein up to these days?
Think he is willing to field a call from PQ?
Think he is willing to field a call from PQ?
Unfortunately have heard that story that PQ is tiring of Mooney for about 4 years. Hopefully you have some inside sources and it is coming to a boiling point. Because the only person on this board who claims to be in close contact with PQ is 80s fan and he seems to think Mooney is good, just working against a stacked deck.
SVP and whoever wrote that article in the Athletic bashing Mooney haters have some apologizing to do...
there would be zero way if he had 1 year on deal. The 3 years left after that criminal extension by Hardt is only thing giving him a fighting chance. But is there anyone literally anyone who could say yeah no ncaas in 10 years & missed w a top 25 team all that hype preseason #1 A10 & then say yeah I’ll give him 3 more years to rebuild just to have a 50/50 shot.
honestly it would be a slap in face to your constituency. We went to A-10 for institutional reasons for bball success. We pour $ in. Not replacing the top guy at a highly selective university who constantly misses goals is teaching what? Is that what prestigious higher ed is about. They’ll probably go yell at the cafeteria worker for the food not being at exact right temp instead.
Frankly w all this talk about the guys having the coaches back some & twittering up b4 we proved anything. To my eyes we r not even playing hard for Mooney.
Yes that is typical Mooney truthers. Victory laps after almost making the NCAAs. Lets see the follow up articles please.
23 within the media victory lap tour was this idea Mooney was treated poorly. Mooney Hardt the players media or anyone else selling that was laughable. I’ve said this b4 but that’s why billboard was mistake imo bc it distracted from reality. A 1 day billboard that literally anyone could have purchased vs.
top tier coach pay highest at U or R beyond occasionally the guy who manages a 2 BIL endowment!
charter everywhere
very tame message board even in estimation of player parents
1 of the best arenas in country
practice facility
favorable media treatment
get multi mil extension AFTER going 9 straight years w/o ncaa.
he’s been treated like Gold. Yet he’s given us lead.
They’ll own all the records, but have no NCAA appearances. Unless the tournament expands to 128 teams.
Yes I see your point. A few guys maybe cobbled together A few bucks. It galvanized the woe is me Mooney movement . But the problem is I really don't think there is or was a voice asking the questions you pose.
Agree. That was just my concern. The billboarders went against the status quo don’t shake the tree UR mentality. I respect that. And everyone has their breaking point. Hopefully PQ is reaching his.
I don’t know what you put in your coffee, but mine doesn’t smell like that...
After 13 games stats show Mooney's loses 73% of the team's points and 66% of minutes played next season. Maybe Nick comes back and helps out but if he wants to have a chance at March Madness he better not stay at UR.
IMO would be the perfect time to ask Mooney to leave. Not many players who would transfer out because he is gone. New coach gets to build around Burton. Plenty of opportunity for GOOD grad transfers who desire to play first and foremost. Non-committed HS players who might have a chance to start?
Have no idea if Patrick Beilein has straighten himself out but would be a bold move to get dad to come coach here for awhile and maybe son can become a long term solution down the road? The name JOHN BEILEIN brings instant credibility to this floundering basketball program. Have no idea what he's up to now?
Do know John literally walked away from 20 mil and we know he sure didn't get much of that in a settlement. So maybe mucho money isn't needed to get him? We know he didn't like coaching "thugs" lol and U of R doesn't allow thugs on campus. Good sales pitch including opportunity his son could take over for him might do the trick?
IMO would be the perfect time to ask Mooney to leave. Not many players who would transfer out because he is gone. New coach gets to build around Burton. Plenty of opportunity for GOOD grad transfers who desire to play first and foremost. Non-committed HS players who might have a chance to start?
Have no idea if Patrick Beilein has straighten himself out but would be a bold move to get dad to come coach here for awhile and maybe son can become a long term solution down the road? The name JOHN BEILEIN brings instant credibility to this floundering basketball program. Have no idea what he's up to now?
Do know John literally walked away from 20 mil and we know he sure didn't get much of that in a settlement. So maybe mucho money isn't needed to get him? We know he didn't like coaching "thugs" lol and U of R doesn't allow thugs on campus. Good sales pitch including opportunity his son could take over for him might do the trick?
While I love what Beilein did here, I feel too often we live in URs basketball past. There are a lot of talented young coaches and assistants out there who could bring fresh energy to the Spiders.
Its never easy to make the tournament but if we can’t make it this year with this team, there really is no reason to think we will ever get back under CM. It’s fairly negligent of the AD to think otherwise given the quasi-recent history.
Its never easy to make the tournament but if we can’t make it this year with this team, there really is no reason to think we will ever get back under CM. It’s fairly negligent of the AD to think otherwise given the quasi-recent history.
I dunno. JB is a proven winner & has seen plenty of NCAA appearances - far more than those coaches who have followed at UR. I'll take what JB did at WVa & Michigan. Compare his skill & ability to those who have followed at UR. He is a winner, and his DNA speaks NCAA. If that is the past, I'll take it as our future.
I can tell u tho Jersey isn’t the only 1 who has speculated on the Beilein/Beilein combo. I do think John wants to help rehab Patricks image & I know he loved his time at UR even tho it was inevitable he’d move up. Do I think it would happen? No but it’s not crazy either.
main reason not is coaches would be lining up for this gig. Sitting HC like Odom at umbc & Richey at Furman. Heck I’m not usually a hire asst guy but u got ones like Luke Murray (speaking of a little extra pub) plus guy like Darris Nichols who actually played for JB at WVA. Those guys r gonna be head coaches soon enough watch.
and geez u at least call Kenny Atkinson. If PQ really wants to open checkbook U call. Longshot sure bc I expect he wants to stay in nba & will get 1 more shot at head coach in nba. But first call to confirm.
main reason not is coaches would be lining up for this gig. Sitting HC like Odom at umbc & Richey at Furman. Heck I’m not usually a hire asst guy but u got ones like Luke Murray (speaking of a little extra pub) plus guy like Darris Nichols who actually played for JB at WVA. Those guys r gonna be head coaches soon enough watch.
and geez u at least call Kenny Atkinson. If PQ really wants to open checkbook U call. Longshot sure bc I expect he wants to stay in nba & will get 1 more shot at head coach in nba. But first call to confirm.
Agree on both fronts. Want an up and comer. But, a fully invested JB trying to build something for his sons come back story could be special too. Something, anything. Get us out of this purgatory.
Richey at Furman, Atkinson, JB and PB. GK, I vote you to lead the search committee.
Clearly JB is a winner, I’m not arguing that I wouldn’t want him nor that I’d take an up and comer over him. It’s just a little unimaginative, and likely a lot unrealistic to get him back here.
But I’d love to be wrong.
Picked first in conference, ranked 19th nationally, and now mid level in a mid major conference. Great job coach.
I accept. My list and research is ready to go!! Won’t take a finders fee either. We don’t want Hardt near this hire.
In my coffee I only accept winning. Today's effort was awful and ridiculous. I can accept failure but I saw no adjustments or change in the game. You could see Lasalle winning. And yet I saw shooting all these threes. And hoping they all fall in.
Come on. This thread is really cruel and unnecessary guys.
I mean we have an athletic department that currently has no ticket revenue, no NCAA revenue, near nil media revenue and a hiring freeze. What more could we possibly expect from this program and coach working for such a modest wage?
I mean we have an athletic department that currently has no ticket revenue, no NCAA revenue, near nil media revenue and a hiring freeze. What more could we possibly expect from this program and coach working for such a modest wage?
Don't worry the NCAA will grant everyone another year of eligibility!! I can see next year is brighter. Wait wasn't that suppose to happen this year? or 2 years ago? what year is it going to happen????
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Graduate Assistant
any one of these guys would be a welcome breath of fresh air. The program has stagnated. We need a new direction and we needed it yesterday.
Yes the above came from the LaSalle game thread, but this post didn’t really belong there and I decided against starting another thread.
I don’t know how many posts I have read on this forum, but Philly has written the answer I couldn’t find within myself. Thanks Philly. Of course, this answer is only true now because I believe two years ago, CM had the same belief in the also complex match-up zone.
Further, I wonder if CM’s seemingly lack of caring regarding defense is because the team now runs something so much simpler. It just isn’t complex and pretty enough to care about.
It is evident that CM belongs in a thinking man’s league, a league, where team basketball and player development are paramount. Such leagues are one bid leagues that have auto bids for tournament winners, teams that develop and peak at the end of the season. The A10 is not that type of league.
CM doesn’t fit. Either change coaches or change leagues.
Might as well being in a one bid league, at least we would have an easier opportunity to win the league tournament. Isn't this what we come down to every year anyway?
I would argue that our best teams ever were in the ECAC South and the CAA. Academically, our school matches well with Patriot league schools. If this level of play by the Spiders is acceptable to the UR administration, then the administration should move the program to a conference where we can win and get to the NCAA. If it’s not acceptable, then provide leadership and make the changes necessary for our team to win at the A10 level.
The issue/problem to me for years has been that we spend money on facilities and coaching staff to be at the top of the A10. At first the concern with Mooney was that we didn’t have the facilities so to give him time. We gave him time and built up the facilities. We pay him to be upper tier of the conference. If we paid him “only” $500k/year, at least that would align with our “we don’t care about winning too much, we care more about having a nice guy” approach. However, that doesn’t make up for the fact that we’ve plowed so much money into facilities. When you’re this far in and you’ve sacrificed every other program, you need to get the dollars back through NCAAs and TV. Mooney hasn’t been the right guy for years, but it doesn’t help that the AD hasn’t been either. As mentioned already, we need to move out of the past, embrace change, and move into a more current direction. With what we pay Mooney, we can find a very good coach. I’d rather have a younger guy that’ll “outgrow” us than stuck with something safe. Let’s at least try something different.
We really shouldn’t have to have these discussions 16 years in to a coach’s tenure, but here we are again.
Copy your post so we can paste it next year, the year after that, etc. It will still apply, and nothing will change. We'll be running the same game plans and strategies with the same or worse results. Mediocrity is the continuing norm and accepted by the AD's we've had. Their words are cheap, and until their words equate to accountability, then their words are only good in the press and not for success.
Its really unbelievable, I understand the excuses and even promoted them myself a few years. But as noted, we are paying him like we are expecting to achieve bids, not like a patriot league coach. I see no end to it.
Mooney Apologists are being awfully quiet.
You know, even with all the negativity surrounding the billboard incident, I had hoped that it would at least wake some folks up about the situation in our basketball program. Instead, all the focus was about those awful fans (and not our nice guy coach) that would dare put a stain on our great school with our great basketball legacy. In the long run, obviously it didn't work.
You know, even with all the negativity surrounding the billboard incident, I had hoped that it would at least wake some folks up about the situation in our basketball program. Instead, all the focus was about those awful fans (and not our nice guy coach) that would dare put a stain on our great school with our great basketball legacy. In the long run, obviously it didn't work.
Home court advantage- we’ve lost 4 games, 3 at home. That’s ridiculous.
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