The fact he’s not getting offers is a good sign he’s not doing a great job.
Fire Mooney
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Right IM UR. Can you imagine a larger conference AD trying to sell Mooney to the fan base? Hey, I'm as big a Mooney basher as the next guy. But, if he can grab two good big men transfers with 3 years eligibility left for next year I am all on board. As trap noted, we are kind of trapped in anyway.
there is zero accountability. Part of the problem now is Hardt gave out another ridiculous extension. Tho as u have said many times on this board Trap if u r willing to give a contract u have to be willing to get out of it too. But not here at U of R. It’s tenure.
Also remember covid was supposed to be advantage for us. Vet team know the systems don’t need the practice as much as so many other teams. Yet Hofstra doesn’t even have their head coach and Bona was playing in just their 4th game and it’s January. So I’m sure we won’t hear anything more about our built in advantages further.
whether moot point r not it’s right to question our school’s accountability and decision making (Hardt).
Multi billion dollar operation at U of R and the top dog the highest paid guy can for a decade not meet your goals? It’s not personal it’s just I have a problem w not giving the next guy a chance.
lot of season left hopefully Mooney & the boys can tell whomever they want to shove it at end of season. How it work. Not in preseason with the tweets or articles when u haven’t done anything yet.
I was very disappointed that Bona failed to roll over because of our new basketball training facility.
8legs1dream
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I think this fact is often overlooked unfortunately. Wonder how many schools in the past decade have reached out to him for their head coaching job? I'm guessing very, very few. Meanwhile the school down the road gets their HC poached by three power conference teams in the same amount of time that we have had Moonpie. Something doesn't add up here..
Reluctant to wade in on this. Mooney lost me years ago, but don't like beating a dead horse with redundant posts.
Forget the loss last night and the loss of the previous home game. There existed an ample body of evidence long before this season that CM is incapable of building a sustained program of success. If he could, he would have by now.
Philly gave an excellent explanation of why (primarily, overemphasis of offense to the detriment of other critical elements of the game). That this Administration (previous one too), any school administration for that matter, would tolerate such a poor ROI over so many years is damning.
So keep avowing UR's intention of seriously competing for championships, but the school's actions, inactions more accurately, belie those words.
Forget the loss last night and the loss of the previous home game. There existed an ample body of evidence long before this season that CM is incapable of building a sustained program of success. If he could, he would have by now.
Philly gave an excellent explanation of why (primarily, overemphasis of offense to the detriment of other critical elements of the game). That this Administration (previous one too), any school administration for that matter, would tolerate such a poor ROI over so many years is damning.
So keep avowing UR's intention of seriously competing for championships, but the school's actions, inactions more accurately, belie those words.
Part of the problem other schools are not calling either is because he has turned them down as well in the past. So they might see him as a UR lifer. Plus - you have to remember in any given year - what is he up against in terms of other coaches moving up the ranks. He might be on the lists - but maybe 5th or 6th and AD's hope to never get that far in their search.
Very well stated. I bleed red and blue but I have come to realize that our school is soft, our administration is soft, our coach is soft, his systems are soft and a good number of his players are soft.
I had a debate with my uncle last night. He clearly believes Mooney deserves to stay. Considering how tough academically Richmond is an how expensive it is. Being able to compete and defeat Davidson. Seem to be all that matters. Just good enough to compete but not win titles. I ONLY EXPECT WINNING TITLES. TIRED OF Excuses, academics, all the above.
All I can say is, look what little old midmajor from nowhere in Washington state (anybody ever been to Spokane?) Ganzaga has done. They go on the road anywhere and play anybody, they crush the likes of Kansas, Virginia, and West Virginia.
It's all about coaching. Period.
It's all about coaching. Period.
X2
Year in and year out we see the G school in the big time lights. Great coach, recruits well, great system, exciting basketball to watch.
8legs1dream
Graduate Assistant
he has gotten them to the NCAA's every single season since he started there in the 1999-2000 season and won at least one game there each trip besides three. What's it like to be a Zags fan
I don't think anyone needs us to be like Gonzaga. They are a legit national power every year. They are a major outlier. But it would be nice to win the league every now and then and make the tournament every third year at least.
8legs1dream
Graduate Assistant
was more a comparison of how in a relatively comparable amount of time Few turned Gonzaga into a blue blood and Mooney has just been cashing checks
8legs1dream
Graduate Assistant
chapter 1: Don't have Mooney for 16 years.
Yea it adds up to no one wants him because he isnt a very good coach.
If a billboard going up this week would mean that we’d flip the switch and go on a run to make the NCAA tournament, can I sign up to contribute? Heck, does Mooney contribute since it would likely get him a raise & extension well in excess of the cost???
Today I spoke to a former A-10 assistant who now coaches in a different conference. Told him I was frustrated by the 3 losses so soon in our year. He responded, “Mooney has his strengths, but overall is average at best.”
This about sums it up. One of my good friends said when we first hired CM that it looked like we were paying a guy to learn on the job. It’s 16 years later and still feels that way.
The billboard was a classless act, and still is. Even the national press thinks you all have no class.
One writer wrote, “... these so called fans don’t have the spine to put their names on the board.”
One writer wrote, “... these so called fans don’t have the spine to put their names on the board.”
According to Bob, their facilities in Olean are on par with ours.
The billboard situation has been well documented and analyzed to death on this board and I’ll leave it to the board to debate how classless and cowardly it was. I am amused at the rush of media scolding that came out after the Kentucky win framing some of our fans as delusional and ungrateful. A month later and that great Kentucky win doesn’t look so great and we are right back to having the same issues as the past 10 years. At some point facts and results have to matter. The billboard was an act of frustration. It wouldn’t be my personal method of expression but folks were at least not apathetic.
What concerns me, is I have seen some chatter out on the interwebs, that this season may have even more p6 bids than usual, with mid and lower level conferences getting screwed. Lunardi on the payroll is not comforting to me.
Mooney's number 1 fault is not being able to recruit big guys. I know, all of the apologists are going to say its hard, they all go P6, etc etc. But that is an area that the mid major powers excel, it is hard, you need to scrap and acheive.
He recruited Grant, that was a huge get....that was 5 years ago. He waited 5 years to get his replacement in Weir. If he had recruited a Weir a year earlier, than he would have had time to replace. He is so "system" oriented that he doesn't seem to want to recruit athletic guys inside. If you could bring in a Darius Garrett type every 3-4 years, that would be really helpful. Unfortunately when we go to the bench now, we have guys that just are not athletic enough to compete on defense - not good.
Mooney's number 1 fault is not being able to recruit big guys. I know, all of the apologists are going to say its hard, they all go P6, etc etc. But that is an area that the mid major powers excel, it is hard, you need to scrap and acheive.
He recruited Grant, that was a huge get....that was 5 years ago. He waited 5 years to get his replacement in Weir. If he had recruited a Weir a year earlier, than he would have had time to replace. He is so "system" oriented that he doesn't seem to want to recruit athletic guys inside. If you could bring in a Darius Garrett type every 3-4 years, that would be really helpful. Unfortunately when we go to the bench now, we have guys that just are not athletic enough to compete on defense - not good.
There was a time you young folks may not remember when we made the tournament and competed for conference championships more frequently than Gonzaga.
I'm still a young guy.
I remember going to home games when we played at the Richmond Arena.
This is 100%. If Mooney was even half as good as some on this forum believe, he would have been snatched up long ago. He is still at Richmond because he is an average coach (at best) who is well-below average when it comes to player (in game) management.
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This. We are stuck with Mooney. I've beaten this horse so many times, just tired of it. Hoping he would get lightening in a bottle this year, but he is more than likely going to screw that up. There is a lot he does right if running our program but has a couple really critical areas where he just doesn't measure and thus we are stuck seemingly forever in this pattern of mediocrity.
This is a bit of the chicken or the egg thing here. Do we not get big strong guys because we don't play that type of game or do we not play that type of game because we don't get the big strong guys to play it?
I think the problem here is style of play and style of coaching and not simply he can't schmooze. We get small guards because we play a system that is proven to be friendly to them and leads them to success. Our system is not built for big, athletic, banger types. They aren't even allowed to offensive rebound because our emphasis is one getting numbers back on defense over offensive rebounding. But we do ask our big guys to handle and pass a lot etc. Big, strong, athletic guys who love o bang and who can pass and do well in our offense would be top 100 recruits and would have zero reason to come here. Not just because of P6 offers, but we can't point to anyone who fits that profile who has been really successful here. Remember, a recruit's definition of success isn't going to be a guy who contributes a little early and then started and held his own etc., so a guy like Garrett's success isn't going to impress a recruit too much. The only really successful big guys (successful as a recruit would define that) are guys like Cline and Golden. Highly skilled, not especially athletic, not big strong bangers etc. That really limit the pool of viable recruits. Thats not an excuse - - - its an explanation. And Mooney should realize it at this point. He simply doesn't have a lot to offer a big man recruit who doesn't meet the Cline/Golden profile. But as I discussed in other posts, he is all about offense and not other aspects of the game!
Besides you, who gives a flying turd what anyone in the national press says or thinks? And when did they become the arbiter of "class"? You must be reading the New York Times or the Washington Post, two very classy publications...
When I first stepped foot on campus it was with the intention to major in journalism. Things changed, but one of the best professors at the school, Robert Hodierne, worked for both the Washington Post and the New York Times and spoke very highly of both. Can’t speak for Annap, but when those two publications speak, I listen. As do a great deal of others. And I wouldn’t have that fondness for them if not for our alma mater, the University of Richmond.
I don’t even know what this means lol
I see now - politics. No comment from me there
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Professor Hodierne has a great reputation and his work is impressive. However, he lists neither paper as an employer on his C.V. He has submitted articles to both as a freelancer.
The current incarnation of those newspapers are nothing like they were in their heyday. They were excellent - once upon a time.
The current incarnation of those newspapers are nothing like they were in their heyday. They were excellent - once upon a time.
Need to get you out of here!! Consistently outcoached? Ask Bob McKillop....considered one of the best he is 2 and 7 vs Mooney last nine.
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