We could just buy him a job somewhere else that he could commute to and still live in Richmond. You know like Mr. Gill.
Fire Mooney
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He could go bigger, but hiring JB to give his son a chance to restart here is a phenomenal possibility.
Totally worked at Washington State with Dick and Tony Bennett. The people at Niagara were thrilled with Pat after hiring him from Le Moyne; UR would be a great opportunity to restart his career.
I'm not confident but I'd hope Hardt knows he has to make a move to retain a very unhappy fan base. Hiring the Beileins would be a tremendous jolt to a program one step short of life support.
You’ve been in the biz Wood, do you think Hardt feels any substantive pressure to make a change?
Coach Mooney will return.
Nick Sherod out for the season! ....... Connor Crabtree out for the season! ........ Andrea Gustavson out for a month! .......Covid pause! .........Covid Pause! ...... Covid Pause! .....Grant Golden breaks finger! ....Blake Francis out !!! A10 commissioner moves up tournament and limits remaining UR schedule
New UR President, new Queally Center, 2 year extension!!
Nick Sherod out for the season! ....... Connor Crabtree out for the season! ........ Andrea Gustavson out for a month! .......Covid pause! .........Covid Pause! ...... Covid Pause! .....Grant Golden breaks finger! ....Blake Francis out !!! A10 commissioner moves up tournament and limits remaining UR schedule
New UR President, new Queally Center, 2 year extension!!
Excuses! Excuses! More excuses! Every year, more excuses! Let’s just keep making excuses for ten years in a row! Maybe for another ten too, what the hell!
My friend who is somewhat connected to the B of T says the school loves Mooney because he graduates kids and runs a clean program. But he also said if enough people get mad it might make a difference because they don't like to have the university seen in a bad light by the alums. We'll never have a better time to pull the trigger, a lame-duck president can take the heat and it won't bother him at all.
I'd really like to hope there is some back-channeling to Beilein. I have to think if he was amenable, especially with Pat as an assistant, they'd be more apt to pull the trigger.
Interesting perspective, thanks for sharing.
Perhaps our more vocal members will get their pitchforks and torches out. I have some sterno laying around here somewhere...
They're not even listening to their fanbase (aka customers). Not even trying, actually. Either that, or they're listening and just saying, "yeah whatever". Who runs a business like that?? Bob saying, "we'll just get new fans" is symbolic of the mindset in the RC. That's making it worse. A LOT of their customers have written letters, sent emails, called the RC, called in to ESPN950, stopped writing checks, stopped buying tickets. They continue to ignore it, ignore it some more, and then finally it boiled over with the billboard.
They think it's just 10 asshole fans getting together to stir up trouble just to be mean. If you were to poll Mooney's approval rating with UR's customer base, where would he be sitting right now? 10-15%?
Every single men's hoops social media page (facebook, twitter, instagram, etc) is filled with comments from folks that have had enough. And those BoT members are full of it. Mooney is not the only person in america that can run a clean program and graduate kids. That's just a smoke screen for the real reason....
Might be time to get the band back together for a reunion tour....
They think it's just 10 asshole fans getting together to stir up trouble just to be mean. If you were to poll Mooney's approval rating with UR's customer base, where would he be sitting right now? 10-15%?
Every single men's hoops social media page (facebook, twitter, instagram, etc) is filled with comments from folks that have had enough. And those BoT members are full of it. Mooney is not the only person in america that can run a clean program and graduate kids. That's just a smoke screen for the real reason....
Might be time to get the band back together for a reunion tour....
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Didn’t Beilein and Tarrent get good kids who graduated?
Dreaming that Mooney will be fired? UR does not fire coaches - Latrelle Scott is resigning again..............
https://www.wavy.com/sports/latrell-scott-resigns-has-norfolk-state-head-football-coach/
https://www.wavy.com/sports/latrell-scott-resigns-has-norfolk-state-head-football-coach/
Is this better or worse than what he is leaving?
Scott Joins East Carolina Football Staff - East Carolina University Athletics
GREENVILLE, N.C. – Latrell Scott has been named passing game coordinator, tights ends and inside receivers coach at East Carolina University according to an announcement
ecupirates.com
Honestly I think the amount of Mooney supporters vs Mooney haters is a lot closer to 50 50 than many of us on here realize. Richmond fans are weird and many are just fine with what Mooney is doing. In my personal circle of UR fans it’s pretty much 50 50 so I have to believe the fan base as a whole is pretty similar to that. As a result I’m sure the administration does thinks it’s only like 10 angry people that hate Mooney and they are just unaware of how a large group of their fan base and alumni feel. It seems to me like UR is fine with the whole fans coming out and bringing their kids to a game just for the event and not really caring about wins and losses. Pretty similar to a flying squirrels baseball game in that way and the school is down with that.
Out is right. Out is what I’ll be if we go Patriot league
I think it’s highly probable that UR doesn’t see the problem as seriously as the fan communities you mention see it. I’d actually love to know how they gauge that, it sounds like they do some select outreach but their sampling methodology seems strange to me.
I think the administration is just happy to say that we have a basketball team and as long as the team and coach don’t bring any bad publicity to the school then they are happy. Now, we as fans definitely see 7-20 against our hated rival as bad publicity but the higher ups and .edu folks don’t care about that. And if they don’t care and don’t want to hire the best coach available that’s their prerogative...just don’t tell us that we are doing everything we can to compete for A-10 championships because we aren’t. The fact that Mooney has been here for 16 years and never finished first in the A-10 tells you we aren’t really serious. That we have paid him so much is the amazing and truly unbelievable part. We could have gotten this production from many coaches at a far lesser expense. We are paying top dollar to a guy to produce basic results that would be expected with any hire of any sport (good person, graduates players).
Maybe if they paid Mooney less I wouldn't get requests to send them money so often. Will be awhile before I write them another check.
Well, they’re paying him like a guy who went to back to back ncaas and made sweet16. Maybe there’s a buyback program we’re unaware of.
Always like to point out that I am not a UR alum, but a big college basketball fan and that is why I buy tickets to UR games. The Robins Center is a great place to take a family for a game and my wife and daughters begrudgingly came along at first. Now UR is my wife's favorite team to follow and my oldest daughter will graduate from UR next year. So obviously there are benefits from having a sporting event other than pure wins and losses.
Since I am a "new fan", I also have the perspective as an outsider and what I see is a missed opportunity. UR has been outmaneuvered by another school in Richmond and it is simply the athletics department leadership has been terrible for years. I am not a UR historian, but it seems like there was good guidance by Jim Miller up until he exited and his parting gift was a 10 year contract to CM. That gift is what got the men's basketball program to where it is today and seems to be the decision cannot be undone. Mooney should have never gotten a 10 year deal and definitely isn't earning the money that he makes. You do not get paid a premium salary to produce no conference titles (regular season nor tournament). The move to the A10 was a move to improve the basketball profile. It has obviously failed and it has failed because the coach and athletic department haven't delivered.
Do you know that there is a Strategic Plan for athletics? What is on that plan? Is it evaluated? Hardt talked about the plan in 2019 (https://richmondspiders.com/news/2019/8/27/general-from-the-ads-desk-john-hardt) and the following 3 elements were included :
But I am just an outsider. Good luck Spider Nation.
Since I am a "new fan", I also have the perspective as an outsider and what I see is a missed opportunity. UR has been outmaneuvered by another school in Richmond and it is simply the athletics department leadership has been terrible for years. I am not a UR historian, but it seems like there was good guidance by Jim Miller up until he exited and his parting gift was a 10 year contract to CM. That gift is what got the men's basketball program to where it is today and seems to be the decision cannot be undone. Mooney should have never gotten a 10 year deal and definitely isn't earning the money that he makes. You do not get paid a premium salary to produce no conference titles (regular season nor tournament). The move to the A10 was a move to improve the basketball profile. It has obviously failed and it has failed because the coach and athletic department haven't delivered.
Do you know that there is a Strategic Plan for athletics? What is on that plan? Is it evaluated? Hardt talked about the plan in 2019 (https://richmondspiders.com/news/2019/8/27/general-from-the-ads-desk-john-hardt) and the following 3 elements were included :
- Competitive success will be a top priority.
- We will be committed to the careful stewardship of institutional and environmental resources, and of the relationships that provide the foundation of our Spider community. We will work to increase alumni engagement as well as to inspire increased donor support for the University and Spider athletics.
- We will be committed to the highest standards of personal and professional integrity. We are role models as well as leaders; and we will be good campus citizens. We will act with character, honesty, and in compliance with the rules and regulations of the University, the Conference, and the NCAA. We will do things the right way!
But I am just an outsider. Good luck Spider Nation.
Just another bullshit word salad. You'll notice that there's nothing in there about "winning championships". Competitive success? What the F does that even mean? It's such a broad term that the AD can put out any crap product and still claim competitive success as an objective hit. "We were competitive. Check."
If you want to compare, go and take a look at the Tribe's plan. They specifically say win championships and even state a goal win X number by such and such date.
UR could've at least attempted to use the START method when writing their objectives.
They do whatever they can to skate by and make sure they're always in a position to move the goal posts. Our AD is run by incompetent losers.
If you want to compare, go and take a look at the Tribe's plan. They specifically say win championships and even state a goal win X number by such and such date.
UR could've at least attempted to use the START method when writing their objectives.
They do whatever they can to skate by and make sure they're always in a position to move the goal posts. Our AD is run by incompetent losers.
Yes, we have, but let's get real here, the only sport that has the ability to gain us any true recognition is men's basketball. We know that, and the administration knows that too.
Point I made earlier about Latrelle Scott was that while he was our head football coach he was under scrutiny for being pulled over for impaired driving. Hopefully he has overcome those issues and wish him well. It was agreed that he would resign. But even in that case he was not fired. Richmond does not fire coaches(guessing if there was a case where behavior was egregious enough that could change). But Mooney will not be fired. Might as well make peace with that. One can only hope some tangible goals could be implemented about wins and losses but I am not holding my breath. Accountability as defined by UR is more about being a "nice guy" than being successful. Mediocrity on the court is status quo.
I included the link because I did not want to include the entire article. I did not cite all the categories and I would hope there is an actual plan that UR alums could actually read. This article seemed to suggest that the plan was in a working phase in 2019. I am sure that most of it applies to the formal document.
The full statement on of the shortened bullet is:
Competitive success will be a top priority. It is important that we successfully compete for championships, not just to fulfill our need for more trophies (After all, the Spiders have won more than 60 Conference Championships since 2000!), but because we want our Spider student-athletes to be able to learn many of life's lessons that can only be taught in the crucible of championship competition.
So Championships are mentioned but nothing specific in the article as in the W&M plan.
Oh, it will be raining somewhere so you go ahead and wear what you like.
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Yep - THERE WILL ALWAYS BE A REASON.
For whatever REASON, things always work out in Mooney's favor. Not so much for the rest of us who care so much about the program.
I got the reminder watching the football game with Mooney buying his new house at the advertisement. No one should feel sorry for him.
If - and would think it is the case - that Mooney has made prudent investments he could never "work" again and remain financially secure................
Well you are wrong about one thing. They definitely got the " inspire increased donor support for the University and Spider athletics " right. Seems like every other week I get an email asking for money for our poor little school.
Actually SpiderRick you and others on the Forum are the reason I put that item in. None of you are inspired to donate and many have eliminated your financial support.
Exactly. If they had inspired increased donor support sufficiently, they wouldn't keep asking.
Native, it would be so easy to get me to donate again. So easy...
I dunno. I think they're on autopilot. Just keep asking and whatever comes in is mo money for them to pretend to be administrators.
Lol Chop, they never stop asking for money either way.
In some ways I wouldn’t view “firing” Mooney any differently than Dooley or Shaffer who had expired contracts. Because we’d honor the contract. He’d still get what it is the contract. He can leave for another job by paying a buyout we can exercise our rights the same. Please let us have a real buyout!
I realize it would be viewed publicly as a firing of course. The real difference is we’d be paying another person to do Mooney’s job. But contractually it’s actually similar to Dools or Shaffer imo.
Most ppl don’t have contracts. When they r fired they walk away w nothing at all or accrued PTO time. Mooney walks away with what he’s contractually obligated to receive.
Want to bend this wandering thread back to potential successors to Mooney (not that I believe he will be fired this year). Jason Williford, a Richmond native and Associate Head Coach at UVA, is worthy of consideration. Many consider him the best assistant coach in the ACC. Bennett consistently sings his praises. Two of Bennett's other former Associate Head Coaches now lead their own programs: McKay at Liberty and Sanchez at Charlotte.
If we make a change (highly doubtful) worth considering Williford. Yes, UVA BB can be ugly, but would rather win ugly than continue losing with rhythm and fluidity.
If we make a change (highly doubtful) worth considering Williford. Yes, UVA BB can be ugly, but would rather win ugly than continue losing with rhythm and fluidity.
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