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What happened to their offense from the first half? Outcoached again in the second half of a game. No game is safe. Even when we are up big, every game still seems to be close by the end. Even our game over St. Francis was much closer than it should have been.
I have mixed feelings:
1. Sad and depressed -bummed-to be so close. We may never have this chance again-three NIT home games!
2. Satisfied- it was a great run, and I'm very proud of the team.
This is what I saw and felt during the game:
1. First Half-elated and feeling very lucky that the good Miami team has not shown up. You know, the one that beat Duke. Feeling great that the Spiders are playing great ball.
2. Second half-Spiders up by 16 or so, but I have a very bad feeling- I watch our team throw the ball around and there is no design, no one looking for a shot. Our aggressive offense has disappeared. I couldn't decide if it was a design by the Spiders to simply run clock, or did the Miami defense just shut us down. How long did the Spiders go without a basket? Seemed like forever. Then the Miami offense woke up and they realized they could dominate us by driving to the hole, driving to the hole and getting second and third shots and rebounds. I'm not surprised at all that they came back and won. Plus, the Spiders were not big enough to take the ball to the hole when they broke the press time and again. The Spiders would pull the ball out, run the clock, get one shot, no rebound... You know the story.
The Spiders did not loose for lack of effort. A bigger, more dominant team woke up and dominated the key, the boards, and the game.
Finally, I'm grateful for Kendall Anthony and for the job done by the Spiders coaches and players. It was a great run to end the season, and I look forward to next year.
1. Sad and depressed -bummed-to be so close. We may never have this chance again-three NIT home games!
2. Satisfied- it was a great run, and I'm very proud of the team.
This is what I saw and felt during the game:
1. First Half-elated and feeling very lucky that the good Miami team has not shown up. You know, the one that beat Duke. Feeling great that the Spiders are playing great ball.
2. Second half-Spiders up by 16 or so, but I have a very bad feeling- I watch our team throw the ball around and there is no design, no one looking for a shot. Our aggressive offense has disappeared. I couldn't decide if it was a design by the Spiders to simply run clock, or did the Miami defense just shut us down. How long did the Spiders go without a basket? Seemed like forever. Then the Miami offense woke up and they realized they could dominate us by driving to the hole, driving to the hole and getting second and third shots and rebounds. I'm not surprised at all that they came back and won. Plus, the Spiders were not big enough to take the ball to the hole when they broke the press time and again. The Spiders would pull the ball out, run the clock, get one shot, no rebound... You know the story.
The Spiders did not loose for lack of effort. A bigger, more dominant team woke up and dominated the key, the boards, and the game.
Finally, I'm grateful for Kendall Anthony and for the job done by the Spiders coaches and players. It was a great run to end the season, and I look forward to next year.
Answer: 0 for 1 from the field and 0 for 2 from the free throw line in 59 minutes of play.
Question: ??
Small guards trying very hard to stop huge, physical guards from dribble-driving to the rim.
Constant substitutions.
Nevertheless, team finished strong, BEAT VCU TWICE, and gave us some great thrills at the end.
Proud of our guys and proud to be a Spider.
Can't wait to get the scoop on our transfer, our red shirts and our recruits.
Question: ??
Small guards trying very hard to stop huge, physical guards from dribble-driving to the rim.
Constant substitutions.
Nevertheless, team finished strong, BEAT VCU TWICE, and gave us some great thrills at the end.
Proud of our guys and proud to be a Spider.
Can't wait to get the scoop on our transfer, our red shirts and our recruits.
There weren't that many possessions where we only had two scorers out there, that a red herring in my mind. We typically had TA, K0, TJ and SDJ out on O with Trey. Just missed a lot of shots, including some very open threes.
It is incredibly frustrating to lose this game. Our Achilles heel is rebounding. There's no denying it. System contributes to it but there's more to it than that. Wish I knew the answer.
It is incredibly frustrating to lose this game. Our Achilles heel is rebounding. There's no denying it. System contributes to it but there's more to it than that. Wish I knew the answer.
Was there shooting the game for our A10talk.com site (planned to do a highlight video, but not sure that really works now) and I think what basically happened was Miami's size was just too much late. That combined with some cold shooting in the second half, guys just not hitting the big shots they were hitting early and it was a recipe for disaster.
Miami had guards at 6'5 and 6'6 attacking the paint against Shandre and Kendall, then had that 7' monster there to clean up on the glass (10 rebounds), not to mention 6'7 245 Joe Thomas who chipped in 7 (Reed at 6'6 had 10 rebounds). And those guys were all super physical and athletic as hell.
Miami had 12 more offensive rebounds and with that, 14 more second half points than the Spiders. You can't go 5-21 from deep and expect to beat that.
Miami had guards at 6'5 and 6'6 attacking the paint against Shandre and Kendall, then had that 7' monster there to clean up on the glass (10 rebounds), not to mention 6'7 245 Joe Thomas who chipped in 7 (Reed at 6'6 had 10 rebounds). And those guys were all super physical and athletic as hell.
Miami had 12 more offensive rebounds and with that, 14 more second half points than the Spiders. You can't go 5-21 from deep and expect to beat that.
Was traveling and so only saw about 8 minutes of the first half at the airport (cell phone battery died in flight, pissed). Don't have the raw emotion that those in attendance have, but the box score tells the story. Out rebounded by 15 and outscored in second chance points by 14. CM's system could still overcome this, but not when we shoot 39% overall and only 23.8 from three.
Bitter disappointment, but not as much as the players and coaches. Still proud of them!
This post was edited on 3/24 11:08 PM by KESpider
Bitter disappointment, but not as much as the players and coaches. Still proud of them!
This post was edited on 3/24 11:08 PM by KESpider
Several of our star players choked at the end. The game was theirs for the taking. That said, this was a very positive year for the Spiders. And next year should be even more special.
Posted by Mr TBone. "There weren't that many possessions where we only had two scorers out there, that a red herring in my mind. We typically had TA, K0, TJ and SDJ out on O with Trey. Just missed a lot of shots, including some very open."
Red Herrings cant score either.
I will agree that sometimes it is 5 on 3 rather than 5 on 2. I don't think that is much better.
Red Herrings cant score either.
I will agree that sometimes it is 5 on 3 rather than 5 on 2. I don't think that is much better.... and then you would have crippling foul trouble and would be in the double bonus in 5 minutes. So pretty smart.
That said, I hear you--I really hope Trey and Deion reform their shooting stroke over the summer. Deion HAS to get rid of the hitch, and Trey needs to point his navel towards the basket and get less hangtime on the shot.
That said, I hear you--I really hope Trey and Deion reform their shooting stroke over the summer. Deion HAS to get rid of the hitch, and Trey needs to point his navel towards the basket and get less hangtime on the shot.
Can only hope our coaches will figure out in the offseason why they continue to call a game and have tendencies that lead to these types of games. You know the other team is going to increase their intensity on D and on the glass, particularly against us. So figuring out what it will take to end this "GroundHog Day" replay will be critical next season if we want to make it to the Dance. And it's never as simple as most of us think, particularly when you're integrating younger players that you would like to see contribute. Hope all the staff and returning players take a well-deserved break and come back ready to have an even better season next year.
hate to end the season with such a tough loss, but really enjoyed this team since late January...they just kept getting better and better
I don't think our guys choked tonight, or that our coaching strategy failed...the Canes just wore us down and then dominated...
we led 51-38 with eight minutes left...Miami turned up the heat...full court pressing every possession...dominating the boards, particularly on the offensive end...our guys were gassed...our shots and FTs stopped falling...
someone said it in another thread...we need more guys who can play at the A-10 and post season tournament level...hopefully some of the redshirts, our transfer and the recruit will be ready to contribute right away next season..
thanks to Kendall Anthony for everything you did the last four years...good luck in the years ahead...
hats off to Spider fans too... the excitement, noise and karma in the Robins Center in February and March made it a hostile environment for our opponents...let's hope it carries over to next season...
Go Spiders!
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I don't think our guys choked tonight, or that our coaching strategy failed...the Canes just wore us down and then dominated...
we led 51-38 with eight minutes left...Miami turned up the heat...full court pressing every possession...dominating the boards, particularly on the offensive end...our guys were gassed...our shots and FTs stopped falling...
someone said it in another thread...we need more guys who can play at the A-10 and post season tournament level...hopefully some of the redshirts, our transfer and the recruit will be ready to contribute right away next season..
thanks to Kendall Anthony for everything you did the last four years...good luck in the years ahead...
hats off to Spider fans too... the excitement, noise and karma in the Robins Center in February and March made it a hostile environment for our opponents...let's hope it carries over to next season...
Go Spiders!
The Spider Gang Group Facebook Page
How do we take the air out of the ball without changing how we pass the basketball?
My uninformed analysis, it seems like later in the 2nd half, the passing didn't go through TJ as much. Without his participation, the passing becomes more perimeter based and we hardly get any easy looks. Part of this is on the PG, IMO. It seems like our offense is best when K0 or SDJ have their chemistry right with TJ.
My uninformed analysis, it seems like later in the 2nd half, the passing didn't go through TJ as much. Without his participation, the passing becomes more perimeter based and we hardly get any easy looks. Part of this is on the PG, IMO. It seems like our offense is best when K0 or SDJ have their chemistry right with TJ.
Part of this was that they changed D on us and we were less successful beating them on the block where they collapsed 2 or even 3 guys on TJ and TA. Kick outs might have worked but we shot poorly. Interior passing to a driver who could catch and finish would also work but we don't do a lot of that. That's where trey and Deion actually could make some hay on offense but it's not much of our game plan.
You are probably right, although if they are unguarded there's a decent chance they can finish on athleticism alone.
But correct, I cringe when they miss and go to the line.
Both guys will work on technique and confidence. Deion was a fine shooter freshman year, not sure if his confidence is shot or what.
But correct, I cringe when they miss and go to the line.
Both guys will work on technique and confidence. Deion was a fine shooter freshman year, not sure if his confidence is shot or what.
You are correct. It is 90% confidence with those two. TA and ANO really improved their FT shooting. I sure hope Mooney gets them the help they need to improve. If DT, TD and ANO were a threat to score, it could make this team's upside limitless.
First i i liked this season and am happy for Coach and team. I also was to like how one day some one said hey maybe we have players who can score with back to basket. So we see that this is very very good.I think we see big lineup like we said a long long time ago is best now. for sure. I think also hat ANO has better back to basket game because he watch TJ andTA so he didnot need a pivot coach to learn. I also think there is no need for some players to play so many minutes with no offense anymore. but this will still happen.. This I think was a diferent year for Coach also with TJ and TA having big scoring. These two players make us rethink some things because they score and score. It is what do we do with our thinking because of this scoring? Some players make other players better. I can see how they are talking to each other and when they get excited together. Some players do not put this together for the team and are like ice cube in my nice potato soup. We have a very very good offnse team now and passing into the pivots on the block is now another skill for the no offnse players to practice. If they can not make these good passes at the RIGHT time then this is another reason for them not to play.This was a very good season and this next thought is just my opinion and many should disagree but I am a fan too.
In such a big game it is up to Coach to keep all the herd together. Last night he did not. Somethimes thisi is what happens..
In such a big game it is up to Coach to keep all the herd together. Last night he did not. Somethimes thisi is what happens..
Coachfezz, every game this year I have found myself looking for your opinion. Thanks for all of your great analysis this year. I hope you will be here for next season too, so don't go anywhere. We have a solid veteran team back, and they will be hungry.
They will learn from this.......
They will learn from this.......
Simply said the game from Sunday did have an effect on the players in Second Half. Tired legs
we're reflected in so many shots coming up short last few minutes. TJ's two FTs missed looked to
be more tired then nerves.
Miami just looked fresher in last 10 minutes. No one can say that this team gave up or did not
show a lot of heart. Yes frustrating but will remember last 10 games more then the first half.
Go Spiders!
we're reflected in so many shots coming up short last few minutes. TJ's two FTs missed looked to
be more tired then nerves.
Miami just looked fresher in last 10 minutes. No one can say that this team gave up or did not
show a lot of heart. Yes frustrating but will remember last 10 games more then the first half.
Go Spiders!
My dad and several friends called/texted me after the game as well, said over and over again that we choked. Why are so many people afraid (just like Mooney in any post game conference) to say the team choked they let it get away and I'm first to take the blame?
When Coach K's teams don't show up he tells it like it is. And this guy has been coach of multiple national title teams and NBA players in the Olympic teams. Coach Mooney might learn a thing or two. 8-12 in games decided by 6 points or less, that's pretty bad.
I can't wait for the next coach, I'm excited for the next one.
When Coach K's teams don't show up he tells it like it is. And this guy has been coach of multiple national title teams and NBA players in the Olympic teams. Coach Mooney might learn a thing or two. 8-12 in games decided by 6 points or less, that's pretty bad.
I can't wait for the next coach, I'm excited for the next one.
Of course I've seen that, we absolutely have that lineup on the court, a lot. We had that lineup on the court when we were suffocating Miami in the first half and they scored 18 points. Sometimes it works.
For the record, I'm not defending it. All I'm saying is that CM was actively going O for D in the last 10 minutes, trying to make sure we had scorers in when we could. Deion going to the line late in that game was a product of the D getting a big stop and him being the recipient of a kooky foul.
Regardless of who we have on the floor, they should be shooting 65% or better from the line. There's a clinic to be had with TD and DT there, perhaps some psychotherapy too.
we got plenty of open looks all game and just missed shots. even at the half, I felt Miami was pretty lucky to only be down 12. we had missed a ton of open shots.
we also missed 4 or 5 consecutive FT's late. maybe it was tired legs since we played Sunday night. Miami had that extra day. maybe that helped. they also got some phantom calls. 28 FT's in a half is crazy. but they get credit for attacking. had to since they couldn't shoot.
we also missed 4 or 5 consecutive FT's late. maybe it was tired legs since we played Sunday night. Miami had that extra day. maybe that helped. they also got some phantom calls. 28 FT's in a half is crazy. but they get credit for attacking. had to since they couldn't shoot.
Sad for the season to end this way and feel for KO. You guys and the crowd was tremendous. Stanford had 1500 in the house last 2 games. Announcer even mentioned the place was rocking.
I'm more of a casual reader of these boards and don't post much, if at all. I'm sure that I'm opening myself up to the slings and arrows of being a reactionary/uninformed/pessimistic etc. fan, but I'm starting to feel like the Mooney regime has run its course. This season has given plenty of evidence that points back to the head coach.
8-12 in games decided by 6 points or less and blew an 18 pt. 2nd half lead to close the season.
291st (def)/343rd(off) in the nation in rebounding average (per espn.com)
4-9 on the road, first road win (not neutral court) was on JANUARY 31st.
Abysmal FT shooting down the stretch in key games
Yes, the players play, but the coaching staff has to own these too.
We have quite a bit of a track record to assess Mooney's tenure. I've been very supportive of him over the years and do think he is a good coach. However, I'm starting to feel like he is what he is at this point. Good coach, runs a clean program that graduates players who represent UR well. His system is interesting and it plays well against mid-major teams and the occasional Power Conference foe. Every 3-4 years, if things break right, we have a shot at an NCAA birth.
I am just getting tired of being a 19-12/.500ish team year after year and aspire to be better. I'm to the point where we need to consider looking for the next great coach. Being 'Giant Killers' is a fantastic legacy that we are all proud of, but the NCAA landscape has changed. There is no reason, with our resources (facilities/academics/$$), that we can't follow the path of Gonzaga, Wichita St., VCU, etc. and become a consistently high performing program that gets single digit seeds in the tourney.
Change is tough and it doesn't always work out, but I'd rather strive to go to the next level than to mire a little above mediocrity for another 8 years.
8-12 in games decided by 6 points or less and blew an 18 pt. 2nd half lead to close the season.
291st (def)/343rd(off) in the nation in rebounding average (per espn.com)
4-9 on the road, first road win (not neutral court) was on JANUARY 31st.
Abysmal FT shooting down the stretch in key games
Yes, the players play, but the coaching staff has to own these too.
We have quite a bit of a track record to assess Mooney's tenure. I've been very supportive of him over the years and do think he is a good coach. However, I'm starting to feel like he is what he is at this point. Good coach, runs a clean program that graduates players who represent UR well. His system is interesting and it plays well against mid-major teams and the occasional Power Conference foe. Every 3-4 years, if things break right, we have a shot at an NCAA birth.
I am just getting tired of being a 19-12/.500ish team year after year and aspire to be better. I'm to the point where we need to consider looking for the next great coach. Being 'Giant Killers' is a fantastic legacy that we are all proud of, but the NCAA landscape has changed. There is no reason, with our resources (facilities/academics/$$), that we can't follow the path of Gonzaga, Wichita St., VCU, etc. and become a consistently high performing program that gets single digit seeds in the tourney.
Change is tough and it doesn't always work out, but I'd rather strive to go to the next level than to mire a little above mediocrity for another 8 years.
Best post of this thread. Articulated well with supporting facts that 1) don't come with a bias and 2) the facts you layed out do matter, can't be disputed, and can't be taken out of contect unless someone is looking for excuses.
You're not a homer, & neither am I. I love Spider sports & have been for most of my life. Sometimes medicine is hard to swallow, and you have layed out a pretty accurate picture. Unfortunately change is tough for many to accept, & it is easier to be a mate on a ship with the existing captain than to make a change. I've read it on this site about "grass being greener" or "be careful of what you wish for". My question is - when does that stop being cliche, and when do we face the issues?. Others have said, next year is a critical year, and I agree. I expect the results based upon the talent alone to change but have little hope for the system & other stated shortcomings (see many other threads) to change. There's too much history, pattern, and trend to expect a change in the system & use of players.Then what?
This post was edited on 3/25 2:28 PM by SpiderGuy
Last night was a fitting end to this up and down season. Felt like we should have won but didn't do enough to win.
I'll give credit to Larranaga for making adjustments in the 2nd half. He called 2 TOs within about 2 minutes of the beginning of the second half to keep his guys in the game. They changed what they were doing tactically, we didn't and that equals the ball game.
That's my biggest beef with our coaching staff, we just don't make any adjustments. Miami clearly changed the way they were playing with huge amounts of success. And we just kept doing the same thing over and over again watching an 18 point lead disappear. Larranaga played chess and Mooney played checkers.
I'll give credit to Larranaga for making adjustments in the 2nd half. He called 2 TOs within about 2 minutes of the beginning of the second half to keep his guys in the game. They changed what they were doing tactically, we didn't and that equals the ball game.
That's my biggest beef with our coaching staff, we just don't make any adjustments. Miami clearly changed the way they were playing with huge amounts of success. And we just kept doing the same thing over and over again watching an 18 point lead disappear. Larranaga played chess and Mooney played checkers.
Parrott and SpiderGuy, +1 to you both. I could nitpick even more but it would be just redundant and serve no purpose at this time.
Let me try again.
The observations by Parrothead and SpiderGuy are accurate. I agree with Spiderguy when he says that he is excited about the improvement in talent, but does not expect improvement in the system.
The Spiders' "Princeton Offense" works well with the players on the roster, but it will not work against bigger teams who defend the perimeter. For years, I've been saying that if I was a highly recruited big man, I would not want to play in the Princeton Offense since it does not allow a big guy to "dominate the paint." Moreover, I often wonder why a big guy like ANO is found way out beyond the three point arc- can't rebound out there. What the Spiders need is some really good "big man" talent if they wish to compete with big teams. But the Spiders can't recruit that talent because the Spiders offense is not the offense that a big man wants to be a part of for his college career. Therefore, we can't get the big man talent, we can't ultimately solve the tremendous rebounding deficiencies.
I really like CM and I love our team, but I only hope CM will diversify the system so that he may have better opportunities to recruit the "big man" talent that is necessary for this program to reach that "next level" that is being discussed.
This post was edited on 3/25 1:57 PM by Spider Bob79
This post was edited on 3/25 1:58 PM by Spider Bob79
The observations by Parrothead and SpiderGuy are accurate. I agree with Spiderguy when he says that he is excited about the improvement in talent, but does not expect improvement in the system.
The Spiders' "Princeton Offense" works well with the players on the roster, but it will not work against bigger teams who defend the perimeter. For years, I've been saying that if I was a highly recruited big man, I would not want to play in the Princeton Offense since it does not allow a big guy to "dominate the paint." Moreover, I often wonder why a big guy like ANO is found way out beyond the three point arc- can't rebound out there. What the Spiders need is some really good "big man" talent if they wish to compete with big teams. But the Spiders can't recruit that talent because the Spiders offense is not the offense that a big man wants to be a part of for his college career. Therefore, we can't get the big man talent, we can't ultimately solve the tremendous rebounding deficiencies.
I really like CM and I love our team, but I only hope CM will diversify the system so that he may have better opportunities to recruit the "big man" talent that is necessary for this program to reach that "next level" that is being discussed.
This post was edited on 3/25 1:57 PM by Spider Bob79
This post was edited on 3/25 1:58 PM by Spider Bob79
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