COVID and basketball forfeiture rules

[Gallipoli]

This is a very good article about the affect COVID will have on college basketball over the next few months. The A10 accounts for about 1/3 of the 60+ cancelations in college hoops. It appears that the forfeiture rule was designed to pressure athletes into getting vaccinated. I liked Coach K`s position- test the entire team the night before a game and don't play those who test positive. Also, shorten the quarantine period,, There is no need to shut down the entire team if one person was infected by the Omicron variant.

Court Report: How omicron variant of COVID-19 could upend college basketball as leagues flip forfeit rules

Matt Norlander's weekly notebook checks in with the biggest conference commissioners as an uncertain January looms ahead

www.cbssports.com

 

[Long Island Spiders]

This is a very good article about the affect COVID will have on college basketball over the next few months. The A10 accounts for about 1/3 of the 60+ cancelations in college hoops. It appears that the forfeiture rule was designed to pressure athletes into getting vaccinated. I liked Coach K`s position- test the entire team the night before a game and don't play those who test positive. Also, shorten the quarantine period,, There is no need to shut down the entire team or freak out.

Court Report: How omicron variant of COVID-19 could upend college basketball as leagues flip forfeit rules

Matt Norlander's weekly notebook checks in with the biggest conference commissioners as an uncertain January looms ahead

www.cbssports.com

Yes. We as a society need to adjust and this includes college basketball. If you are vaccinated, tested negative, then the game should be played.

 

[fatherspider]

Yes. We as a society need to adjust and this includes college basketball. If you are vaccinated, tested negative, then the game should be played.

Great idea. But nothing about how we have handled this has been rational. Coach K cant be cancelled but everyone else is afraid to say what 99% are thinking… that we must stop this craziness. The cdc thinks its their job to stop the spread of all illness and if we continue to listen to them we will be living in a paranoid prison forever. Now … go ahead libs, cancel me lol.

 

[spider23]

Yes, its kind of crazy. I think lets follow the NFL protocol, that seems to work - and does allow for individuals to make a decision on vax status - with ability to get on the field sooner if vaccinated. Good friends of ours just tested positive, not one sniffle between them - they are all boostered. It seems like the entire US population will have had omicron within two weeks so we should be on to the next variant. Looks like latest data suggests Pfizer booster needed every six weeks now, $PFE cha ching.

 

[Not-A-Homer]

Cancelling games and seasons because a test showed that some have a condition similar to a cold (yet nearly all have little to NO symptoms). I think this can rightly be described as mindless insanity.

And why should a player's game eligibility have anything to do with their vaccination status? According to a Dec.10 article published by Reuters, most (early reports were more than 80%) of the COVID-19 cases caused by the Omicron variant identified in the United States were in people who were fully vaccinated, and a third of them had received a booster dose.

It shouldn't be that difficult. If you are sick, you don't play (work, school, whatever), and if you are not, live your life.

 

[Gallipoli]

Cancelling games and seasons because a test showed that some have a condition similar to a cold (yet nearly all have little to NO symptoms). I think this can rightly be described as mindless insanity.

And why should a player's game eligibility have anything to do with their vaccination status? According to a Dec.10 article published by Reuters, most (early reports were more than 80%) of the COVID-19 cases caused by the Omicron variant identified in the United States were in people who were fully vaccinated, and a third of them had received a booster dose.

It shouldn't be that difficult. If you are sick, you don't play (work, school, whatever), and if you are not, live your life.

Makes sense to me. Although, I see that if a league wants to rule that every player must be vaccinated, it can do so.

 

[SpiderTrap]

It is a very slippery slope. It seems logical that if you have no symptons, and have been vaccinated - that you can play. And the statistics seem very low on something serious occuring as a result of COVID if you have been vaccinated - but in all of college basketball and even pro sports - it will only take 1 player to become seriously ill, end up in a hospital on a vent, maybe suffer long term damage or even die - and this changes the whole story. No one cares about statistics when they are the stat. Can you imagine a college basketball player dying from COVID during the season this year and then the league they play in and the NCAA coming out and simply saying "1 out 5,000 Division 1 basketball players is still good odds and statistics". So while it is very likely and possible nothing serious will happen - all it will take is just 1 bad scenario and its all over.

 

[Not-A-Homer]

It is a very slippery slope. It seems logical that if you have no symptons, and have been vaccinated - that you can play. And the statistics seem very low on something serious occuring as a result of COVID if you have been vaccinated - but in all of college basketball and even pro sports - it will only take 1 player to become seriously ill, end up in a hospital on a vent, maybe suffer long term damage or even die - and this changes the whole story. No one cares about statistics when they are the stat. Can you imagine a college basketball player dying from COVID during the season this year and then the league they play in and the NCAA coming out and simply saying "1 out 5,000 Division 1 basketball players is still good odds and statistics". So while it is very likely and possible nothing serious will happen - all it will take is just 1 bad scenario and its all over.

Not trying to be a smartass to your post, but life is full of risks. An NCAA player could get struck by lightning too, or their plane could crash, and on and on it goes.

 

[SpiderRick]

I'm on a flight right now, hope no NCAA players are on board...

 

[Gallipoli]

I saw this in another thread, here is the ACC policy. This makes sense, as does the if you feel sick don't play protocol.

For men’s and women’s basketball, a team must have a roster minimum of seven game available student-athletes and one countable coach to play a game. If a team does not have the requisite number of participants, and elects not to play, the game shall be a no contest. If a team has the requisite number of participants and does not participate, the game will be declared a forfeit. This policy shall be retroactive to any results beginning with the 2021 ACC winter sports schedule.

ACC MODIFIES COVID-19 GAME RESCHEDULING POLICY

GREENSBORO, N.C. (theACC.com) - The Atlantic Coast Conference announced Wednesday that it has modified its 2021-22 COVID-19 rescheduling policy.

theacc.com

 

[SouthJerseySpiderFan]

Not trying to be a smartass to your post, but life is full of risks. An NCAA player could get struck by lightning too, or their plane could crash, and on and on it goes.

Don't want to see anyone die but agree with you on this. Son has 4 friends that were vaccinated and within last month all tested positive but hardly any symptoms. He's surmising it's the omicron variant. It is spreading like wildfire but small number of hospitalizations so far.

So with regards to omicron, if it can be determined the exact number of people who got it separated from the more deadly COVID, will the death rate be equivalent to the same % of people dying from the flu every year? My guess is probably yes.

 

[Long Island Spiders]

It is a very slippery slope. It seems logical that if you have no symptons, and have been vaccinated - that you can play. And the statistics seem very low on something serious occuring as a result of COVID if you have been vaccinated - but in all of college basketball and even pro sports - it will only take 1 player to become seriously ill, end up in a hospital on a vent, maybe suffer long term damage or even die - and this changes the whole story. No one cares about statistics when they are the stat. Can you imagine a college basketball player dying from COVID during the season this year and then the league they play in and the NCAA coming out and simply saying "1 out 5,000 Division 1 basketball players is still good odds and statistics". So while it is very likely and possible nothing serious will happen - all it will take is just 1 bad scenario and its all over.

Agreed, but these students, like all of us, are facing these same risks in many different situations.
The NCAA is doing more to protect these athletes perhaps more than any other group of people.
What I’m arguing for is a single case of Covid shouldn’t result in two weeks of game cancellations. The team should continually regularly test the athletes, remove Covid positive players and continue the game with the rest of the team that has tested negative. Right now, we are cancelling games for any positive test, which doesn’t make sense given how contagious this strand of the virus is.

 

[Gallipoli]

What I’m arguing for is a single case of Covid shouldn’t result in two weeks of game cancellations. The team should continually regularly test the athletes, remove Covid positive players and continue the game with the rest of the team that has tested negative. Right now, we are cancelling games for any positive test, which doesn’t make sense given how contagious this strand of the virus is.

...until your team can't field a team of 7 players (coach optional)...

Quick question: what is your plan for removing players?do you 1) throw them out the window, 2) gag them, throw them in a car, and leave in an empty field, or 3) throw them into Westhampton lake?

 

[mojo-spider]

I saw this in another thread, here is the ACC policy. This makes sense, as does the if you feel sick don't play protocol.

For men’s and women’s basketball, a team must have a roster minimum of seven game available student-athletes and one countable coach to play a game. If a team does not have the requisite number of participants, and elects not to play, the game shall be a no contest. If a team has the requisite number of participants and does not participate, the game will be declared a forfeit. This policy shall be retroactive to any results beginning with the 2021 ACC winter sports schedule.

ACC MODIFIES COVID-19 GAME RESCHEDULING POLICY

GREENSBORO, N.C. (theACC.com) - The Atlantic Coast Conference announced Wednesday that it has modified its 2021-22 COVID-19 rescheduling policy.

theacc.com

does the A-10 have a policy?...

anybody know what St. Joe's has to do in order for the game Thursday to occur...if so, any progress reports on the Hawks health?

as usual nothing but crickets from the UR AD regarding game status...I know a fan who's holding up a trip hoping the game may be played...

Go Spiders!

 

[Long Island Spiders]

...until your team can't field a team of 7 players (coach optional)...

Quick question: what is your plan for removing players?do you 1) throw them out the window, 2) gag them, throw them in a car, and leave in an empty field, or 3) throw them into Westhampton lake?

Ha, testing should be done night before game and they do not come to facility if positive. Otherwise, I’m sure some on here would argue for option #2 as some people are still really afraid.

 

[Eight Legger]

I'm pretty much good with playing the games. At this point, if you aren't vaccinated (and boosted, if eligible), that's on you and you will have to deal with whatever consequences come. No one is forcing kids under 5 who can't yet be vaccinated or anyone with other reasons that they can't be vaccinated to come to games.

 

[Spider B]

Have to start accepting this virus isn't going anywhere and is nothing more than a cold/flu to 99% of people that get it. If you have underlying medical issues, you should try and avoid it similar to the flu. Also happy to see that news organizations are starting to report the truth about the masks some people like to wear. They are not effective at preventing this virus. Hopefully we can start putting those away too and get back to normal life.

 

[SpiderTrap]

Agreed, but these students, like all of us, are facing these same risks in many different situations.
The NCAA is doing more to protect these athletes perhaps more than any other group of people.
What I’m arguing for is a single case of Covid shouldn’t result in two weeks of game cancellations. The team should continually regularly test the athletes, remove Covid positive players and continue the game with the rest of the team that has tested negative. Right now, we are cancelling games for any positive test, which doesn’t make sense given how contagious this strand of the virus is.

I compare it to something like Hank Gathers. He died playing. But that was something very specific and even unknown to him. This is something that is known and out there. And has the potential to effect everyone. So yes - while they could get struck by lightning - they are not surrounded by a thunderstorm everyday. While they could die in a plane crash - they don't fly in a plane everyday. This is something that at the moment is surrounding us every day, until we get it under control.

Look at this way - what if a Spider player this year gets a serious covid case, ends up in hospital. Doesn't die - but suffers serious damage or long term hospital stay. I have a hard time just telling that kid, sorry kid - this is the risk you took. Tearing an ACL, or breaking a hand - that is a risk. I just feel like this is more than that.

 

[Spiders4ever]

I saw this in another thread, here is the ACC policy. This makes sense, as does the if you feel sick don't play protocol.

For men’s and women’s basketball, a team must have a roster minimum of seven game available student-athletes and one countable coach to play a game. If a team does not have the requisite number of participants, and elects not to play, the game shall be a no contest. If a team has the requisite number of participants and does not participate, the game will be declared a forfeit. This policy shall be retroactive to any results beginning with the 2021 ACC winter sports schedule.

ACC MODIFIES COVID-19 GAME RESCHEDULING POLICY

GREENSBORO, N.C. (theACC.com) - The Atlantic Coast Conference announced Wednesday that it has modified its 2021-22 COVID-19 rescheduling policy.

theacc.com

Duke must only have 6 or the wrong 7.

 

[3genspider]

Maybe give the players some say since they are taking the "risk" ? Even if it means they sign a waiver.
They are old enough to......
Certainly they are old enough to have some input on the way things are handled that may directly effect them.

 

[Long Island Spiders]

I compare it to something like Hank Gathers. He died playing. But that was something very specific and even unknown to him. This is something that is known and out there. And has the potential to effect everyone. So yes - while they could get struck by lightning - they are not surrounded by a thunderstorm everyday. While they could die in a plane crash - they don't fly in a plane everyday. This is something that at the moment is surrounding us every day, until we get it under control.

Look at this way - what if a Spider player this year gets a serious covid case, ends up in hospital. Doesn't die - but suffers serious damage or long term hospital stay. I have a hard time just telling that kid, sorry kid - this is the risk you took. Tearing an ACL, or breaking a hand - that is a risk. I just feel like this is more than that.

You argue your point well, but it has its limits. Do we cancel the games because college basketball isn’t important enough to risk Covid? Who decides what’s important? The government?
The hypothetical risk that you suggest in your last paragraph can apply to any situation, including going to school, receiving medical care, etc.
The reality is we we need to look at the data, apply some judgment and adjust accordingly. The problem is the people making these decisions, including at the highest levels, have routinely made the wrong decision and hide behind the “science evolving” to justify their actions. We as a society know enough to make our own judgement and act accordingly — nobody is forcing these athletes to play the games and I would think the overwhelming majority of them would want a revised policy consistent with what I described.

 

[urmite]

In an attempt to prevent the spread of COVID, I coat my clothing with live Anthrax.

Just curious, if I come to work in Long Island will the Government infringe on my freedom to do so?






{that’s a joke, son}

 

[Long Island Spiders]

In an attempt to prevent the spread of COVID, I coat my clothing with live Anthrax.

Just curious, if I come to work in Long Island will the Government infringe on my freedom to do so?






{that’s a joke, son}

Not sure I get the joke. Maybe you and Marley can explain it to me.

 

[Eight Legger]

There's no big conspiracy here... Individual league are making individual decisions. Government isn't telling the NFL to hold games or the Atlantic 10 to cancel them, etc. I'm not sure who else should be making these decisions other than the people who already are.

And science by nature IS evolving, especially with something like this virus that didn't exist until two years ago.

 

[Long Island Spiders]

There's no big conspiracy here... Individual league are making individual decisions. Government isn't telling the NFL to hold games or the Atlantic 10 to cancel them, etc. I'm not sure who else should be making these decisions other than the people who already are.

And science by nature IS evolving, especially with something like this virus that didn't exist until two years ago.

Did I say government was dictating the decision?

 

[Marley13]

Sorry LI, didn’t know I had liked that post. Must have been a twitch.

 

[urmite]

Not sure I get the joke. Maybe you and Marley can explain it to me.

Trying to interject humor into a situation where too many people hold extreme views at both ends.

Not sure trying to make light of both extreme views at once worked at all...

 

[PASpider]

Easy to tell people that have underlying conditions to stay home. The problem is that many people with underlying conditions don’t know they are underlying until something happens. I had a stress test done after a fraternity brother died of a heart attack. Test came back fine. Then I had a heart attack six months later. Nobody identified the underlying condition until it was too late.

 

[SpiderRick]

Plane landed safely....whew! I am curious if there are any statistics regarding how many of the college athletes who have tested positive for covid have been hospitalized and/or died? I think this is an important argument.

 

[RESRam]

In an attempt to prevent the spread of COVID, I coat my clothing with live Anthrax.

Just curious, if I come to work in Long Island will the Government infringe on my freedom to do so?






{that’s a joke, son}

Good foghorn/leghorn reference.

 

[LKNSPIDER]

Plane landed safely....whew! I am curious if there are any statistics regarding how many of the college athletes who have tested positive for covid have been hospitalized and/or died? I think this is an important argument.

No argument at all.......Medical profession understands the risks, not fans.

 

[Eight Legger]

Plane landed safely....whew! I am curious if there are any statistics regarding how many of the college athletes who have tested positive for covid have been hospitalized and/or died? I think this is an important argument.

Covid in general is much more than just "will I die or not?" Plenty of people end up with serious long term effects, organ issues like lung damage, etc., the full extent of which we will not truly know for years.

That said, most everyone who isn't vaccinated at this point obviously doesn't care about those things and so neither should we care about them anymore on their behalf.

 

[Spider B]

Covid in general is much more than just "will I die or not?" Plenty of people end up with serious long term effects, organ issues like lung damage, etc., the full extent of which we will not truly know for years.

That said, most everyone who isn't vaccinated at this point obviously doesn't care about those things and so neither should we care about them anymore on their behalf.

Very few people, vaccinated or not, have "serious long term effects" from this virus unless they have an underlying medical issue. Some do because there are always exceptions in life. But this virus should not be canceling basketball games at this point.

 

[LKNSPIDER]

A much overlooked group is the millions of immunosuppressed people that are vaccinated but the antibodies are defeated leaving them in some cases 100% exposed. This group includes cancer survivors that have had chemo and radiation treatments that knock down their immune systems. Also transplant patients take high powered meds to keep their immune systems low to prevent attacking the transplanted organs.

The ignorance and refusal of this nation to listen and understand the high risks and seriousness of this Covid virus is incredibly unlike the history of the United States.

 

[kneepadmckinney]

Covid in general is much more than just "will I die or not?" Plenty of people end up with serious long term effects, organ issues like lung damage, etc., the full extent of which we will not truly know for years.

That said, most everyone who isn't vaccinated at this point obviously doesn't care about those things and so neither should we care about them anymore on their behalf.

My only addendum to this would be that insurance shouldn't cover medical bills for unvaccinated people who are eligible to be vaccinated.

 

[32counter]

My only addendum to this would be that insurance shouldn't cover medical bills for unvaccinated people who are eligible to be vaccinated.

I would take it a step further whereby hospitals should under NO circumstances admit Covid patients for treatments that have not been fully vaccinated.Leave them at their homes(or on the street) to fend for themselves.There is also a likelihood of the unvaccinated having little or no health insurance which puts further financial pressures on hospitals and their medical personnel and future higher medical costs,in general.

 

[fatherspider]

It is a very slippery slope. It seems logical that if you have no symptons, and have been vaccinated - that you can play. And the statistics seem very low on something serious occuring as a result of COVID if you have been vaccinated - but in all of college basketball and even pro sports - it will only take 1 player to become seriously ill, end up in a hospital on a vent, maybe suffer long term damage or even die - and this changes the whole story. No one cares about statistics when they are the stat. Can you imagine a college basketball player dying from COVID during the season this year and then the league they play in and the NCAA coming out and simply saying "1 out 5,000 Division 1 basketball players is still good odds and statistics". So while it is very likely and possible nothing serious will happen - all it will take is just 1 bad scenario and its all over.

Players have died of heart attacks on the court. Shit happens. That is life. If 1 out of 5000 happen to die of an illness that no one can stop 100% no matter what is done, there really isnt a difference. Should every single player be rigorously checked to see if they have a heart condition for the fear that 1 may die because they have a condition? Under your scenario, sports leagues should fold up shop since they are to be held responsible for all unexpected/uncontrollable deaths occuring. Even discussing this is contributing to the madness.

 

[fatherspider]

A much overlooked group is the millions of immunosuppressed people that are vaccinated but the antibodies are defeated leaving them in some cases 100% exposed. This group includes cancer survivors that have had chemo and radiation treatments that knock down their immune systems. Also transplant patients take high powered meds to keep their immune systems low to prevent attacking the transplanted organs.

The ignorance and refusal of this nation to listen and understand the high risks and seriousness of this Covid virus is incredibly unlike the history of the United States.

So please explain what you propose beyond what we have already done. Are you blaming this continuation of covid a result of the 15%-20% who havent been vaccinated? How about people can understand what the risks are and decide to still live their lives without fearing them. Are those with normal immune systems suppose to live in a captive/ repressed world to protect those who dont have great immune systems?
How do we move beyond this LKN? I seriously would like to hear your opinion.

 

[32counter]

A much overlooked group is the millions of immunosuppressed people that are vaccinated but the antibodies are defeated leaving them in some cases 100% exposed. This group includes cancer survivors that have had chemo and radiation treatments that knock down their immune systems. Also transplant patients take high powered meds to keep their immune systems low to prevent attacking the transplanted organs.

The ignorance and refusal of this nation to listen and understand the high risks and seriousness of this Covid virus is incredibly unlike the history of the United States.

Symptomatic of the intelligence bar being lowered over time by certain segments of society which never understood nor cared to understand Science 101 at any level of the educational experience.Acquiring politicized information from certain media outlets which either downplays or ridicules Covid immunizations because it infringes upon an individual’s freedom of choice is a clear reflection of the continued dumbing down by those certain media outlets

 

[urfan1]

as of 12/26 --- 74% with one vaccination and only 63% are fully vaccinated