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COVID and basketball forfeiture rules
- Thread starter Gallipoli
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College basketball lack of response to Omnicron again screams to the lack of leadership at the NCAA. All of the professional sports leagues have updated their protocols in response to this variant, whereas as college basketball is still stuck in 2020, as if no one is vaccinated.
There are going to be precious few games played the next two months if they don't. They talk about "student health" is a priority, well now we have had 3 years of these players lives being completely upended because of Covid.
There are going to be precious few games played the next two months if they don't. They talk about "student health" is a priority, well now we have had 3 years of these players lives being completely upended because of Covid.
This overlooked group includes those with autoimmune conditions, such as RA and lupus. Covid vaccines have really adversely affected their health.
The vaccines have not adversely affected anything -- the virus has. It's not the vaccines' fault that their immune systems aren't strong enough for the vaccines to work as intended. But that's all the more reason for everyone else who can get vaccinated to do so -- to help protect people like this.
Serious question Gallipoli, can you point me in the direction of the information you found about Lupus and the vaccine? I know someone with lupus and very interested. Quick search finds that lupus.org does advocate to get vaccine and booster.
In the litigious society we live in - yes, their will be responsibility handed out. If a kid dies of a heart attack on the court today like Hank Gathers, you know for sure the family will be looking at the school, coaches, medical staff, and their own doctors who I presume perform an annual phsycial exam and ask - did you not see anything indicating this?
And yes - I agree, we are living the risks of COVID now in everyday life. But as mentioned - the science is evolving. And the reason it is evolving is because we don't know a lot about a virus that is only a few years old. Do you think we know more about Cancer or even the Flu today, then we did when it was first discovered - of course we do. But the main difference is that these are unpaid (mainly unpaid) kids playing a sport during a pandemic. There is a difference between that and a grown adult going to work for living (but even then I would argue employers should take proper steps like offering telework options, testing if needed, etc).
I like the idea of the waiver, but it would need to include a clause that frees school, coaches, everyone of responsibility if anything happens now or years from now as a result of catching COVID during your time at school. And I would understand if an athlete would not want to sign that document.
I am not saying stop playing either - I just think the response of "Just go out and play and live with this virus" is a little too much for me as a fan and parent when we don't know enough yet about the virus and our knowledge is still arising. I would suggest at this time - that fans be removed from the games and they go back to testing 2-3 times a week, no matter what your vaccination status is. Could something still happen under that scenario - of course it could. But at least your making an effort to minimize risk as much as you can. To just say go about and play in packed arenas, with very little testing and protocols - just seems a little reckless at this time.
And yes - I agree, we are living the risks of COVID now in everyday life. But as mentioned - the science is evolving. And the reason it is evolving is because we don't know a lot about a virus that is only a few years old. Do you think we know more about Cancer or even the Flu today, then we did when it was first discovered - of course we do. But the main difference is that these are unpaid (mainly unpaid) kids playing a sport during a pandemic. There is a difference between that and a grown adult going to work for living (but even then I would argue employers should take proper steps like offering telework options, testing if needed, etc).
I like the idea of the waiver, but it would need to include a clause that frees school, coaches, everyone of responsibility if anything happens now or years from now as a result of catching COVID during your time at school. And I would understand if an athlete would not want to sign that document.
I am not saying stop playing either - I just think the response of "Just go out and play and live with this virus" is a little too much for me as a fan and parent when we don't know enough yet about the virus and our knowledge is still arising. I would suggest at this time - that fans be removed from the games and they go back to testing 2-3 times a week, no matter what your vaccination status is. Could something still happen under that scenario - of course it could. But at least your making an effort to minimize risk as much as you can. To just say go about and play in packed arenas, with very little testing and protocols - just seems a little reckless at this time.
Serious question spider23, have you ever thought of cashing in on your Name Image and Likeness. With a mug like that, you can make serious bank.
Yes, I am making some bank. A little more time and the lupus.org site does indeed advocate for the vaccine, they seem to be on the side of EL that it is the covid that is more dangerous. Last time I rely on a basketball message board for my medical advice .
It is only DECEMBER, and almost January.....
.It is only DECEMBER, and almost January.....
A family member has rheumatoid arthritis. She has had destructive flair ups, which occurred after her 2nd Moderna shot. She decided not to get a booster shot. Is S23=CF? That NIL looks familiar.Yes, I am making some bank. A little more time and the lupus.org site does indeed advocate for the vaccine, they seem to be on the side of EL that it is the covid that is more dangerous. Last time I rely on a basketball message board for my medical advice
It is only DECEMBER, and almost January.....
With attitudes like this we are never going to get out of this. That's the truth. There will always be the unknown. Nothing will ever be 100% understood yet we are expected to put life on hold until science makes everyone perfectly safe. Insanity!! To some there will always be something to fear, most others take the risks and go on living. The ones that dont want to can stay home and lock themselves away.
Someone said. I dont care about the unvaccinated, well I agree, but I also dont care about the over fearful paranoid germaphobes who will never feel safe and are trying to force the rest of us to live imprisoned.
Slippery slope my friend. I hope nothing happens in your future that causes you to fall into a group that is denied medical care.
Great. Makes sense and hopefully more in line with other conferences and what the rationale people on this thread are arguing for.
I have APS which is like a form of Lupus and an autoimmune disease. I was encouraged to get vaccine(moderna) but antibodies react differently sometimes in your body and can be hard to predict. I rarely catch anything and am very healthy other than overweight. But some folks with APS or Lupus can catch everything under the sun. With the vaccines I still caught Covid but it was more like a nuisance vs making me real sick.
Here it is. Seems to make sense to me and in-line with ACC and other policies. What do you all think?
Atlantic 10 Revises COVID Forfeiture Policy Ahead of Conference Play
NEWPORT NEWS, Va. – In advance of conference play, the Atlantic 10 has revised its COVID forfeiture policy. Tuesday, in a previously scheduled Athletic Directors meeting, the group voted to approve a change regarding the postponement and rescheduling of men's and women's basketball games due to...
atlantic10.com
Ok we get it, getting vaccinated is the smart thing to do but of course not 100% of people will do anything. You could offer $20k to the whole country and there would be people who say they don't want it for whatever reason. Do you really think this would all be over if 85% were vaccinated instead of 65%? No it wouldn't. The numbers would still be on the rise because its a contagious virus and the vax doesn't stop people from "testing positive".
And holy shit, its like 3 deaths out of every 100,000, and who knows what the health of those who died were in. Many were likely morbidly ill. We are trying to stop the spread of the common effen cold/flu at this point. Just stop talking about, stop thinking about it, and stop effen charting cases and numbers. This can not and will not ever be completely gone just like the damn flu will never be completely gone. Such madness it is mindboggling.
You don’t have to worry about that, I can assure you.Unvaccinated should be denied hospitalization-no slippery slope with that.F’em.All their individual rights BS would disappear when they realize that they’re shunned from sucking resources from a majority paid-in populous that took collective preventative measures.Leave the unvaccinated on the street.We have created a ridiculous safety net for the unvaccinated.Cut the net and let them fall hard.
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The unvaccinated largely are the ones tying up hospital beds that other people could be using. In reality, almost no hospital is going to turn people in need away, but I'm mostly with 32 here. I'd treat everyone as long as I could, but if beds start getting scarce, I'd turn away unvaccinated (at least those 18+, since kids can't get vaccines on their own) to keep beds open for other non-COVID-related needs.
Honestly, to me it's pretty selfish of someone to deny the vaccine that has been proven to keep most people who still get COVID out of the hospital, then turn around and rush in expecting to be treated when they get COVID and need care. That's jacking up my healthcare rates and potentially making care unavailable to other people who need it for other reasons.
Freedom of choice goes both ways. If you choose not to be vaccinated, you accept the risks that come with that.
Honestly, to me it's pretty selfish of someone to deny the vaccine that has been proven to keep most people who still get COVID out of the hospital, then turn around and rush in expecting to be treated when they get COVID and need care. That's jacking up my healthcare rates and potentially making care unavailable to other people who need it for other reasons.
Freedom of choice goes both ways. If you choose not to be vaccinated, you accept the risks that come with that.
Raise your hand if you never made a bad decision at 18 years old! Really, you have kids?
Allow all those who refuse to wear masks or are unvaccinated to become ill, incapacitated or die! How does that sound to you fatherspider?
I'd just cut it at the legal line of adulthood, if I needed to. We send 18-year-olds off to war, so for purposes of this supposition that would never actually happen in real life anyway, yes, I'll hold them responsible for not getting vaccinated after 10 months.
Going to war? Supposition? Never real life anyway? What the hell, are you in fantasyland, 18 plus 10 months.
Hmmm this mindset seems very similar to how the Nazis treated Jews 80 years ago. Place them into a group, blame them for all the issues and call for their deaths.
Ok I’ve kept out of this but Being unvaccinated is NOT like being Jewish in Nazi Germany. That is so incredibly offensive to those who were tortured and killed in gas chambers and to their surviving families. This is a truly despicable comparison and I am absolutely sickened you would say such a thing
Sickened? And you’re not offended by people calling for the deaths of unvaccinated?
Yes, clearly I'm calling for the deaths of 18 year-olds. No one is calling for the deaths of anyone -- we're just saying if hospital space becomes scarce, hospitals should be able to deny treatment to adults who denied the vaccine. After all, they didn't think they needed it, right?and to be clear, I was not comparing the unvaccinated to 1940 Jewish people. The comparison was to posters on this board calling for and generally being ok with the deaths of a certain group since they refuse to take a vaccine.
Sorry I quoted you but was more intended for 32Counter and another poster.
Let the unvaccinated fend for themselves.No more safety net through hospitalization for those that preach credos against all forms of safety nets.F’em and their hypocritical BS.
I feel sorry for you.
“Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”
Calling for the death of 18 year olds, in lieu of what?
The great equalizer, the statement everybody on both sides will think is true. We all think it applies only to the other side but it really applies to every single person on Earth lol
