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Urgency on part of the coaching staff to recruit a much needed 5. We don't need any more guards were set 1 thru 3/4 we need a rim protector a big body in the paint. A transfer and maybe a freshman. Or 2 grads or freshman either way we definitely need someone for next year and afterwards. Plus the type of Big we need is a traditional post block guy with back to the rim type. We don't need a perimeter big.
IMO loss of ANO hurt this year's team we may have been in a different situation right now.
 
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I think this is a problem for a pivot to see a player ANO in system for many years and then transfers. Also with Duinker never to play then plays for money now. I think this makes a player think how will I get to play and how will I get to make improvements. The pivot managing by Coach is a very confusing record .
 
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I've brought it up in other posts but we are living on a razor's edge in regards to our front court depth. We have to really hope that PF and Golden can provide some quality minutes next year and that we add another contributor or two for 2017-18. Next year TJ will be our only big with any experience...I don't consider MW a big. All the excitement about our backcourt and incoming wings will be mute if we get dominated on the boards and allow teams to get easy put backs and second chance points. TJ is going to be an all conference candidate but he is not a rim protector or rebounding machine. Barring a quality transfer I don't see how we aren't in real trouble here.
 
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I'll take a 4 who can play NOW.We have no one who can play inside with any experience.The players on our bench or incoming frosh will be devoured by our competition.End up fouling out by halftime.No girth to offset opposition inside muscle.
 
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One could argue it would be nice to recruit a big guy who could NOT shoot the three. Then at least the coaches won't be tempted to have him hover around the perimeter for 24 seconds making passes and never threatening to shoot, or worse, shooting a brick in those last six seconds.
 
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Some of you guys put too much emphasis on height.

I think we are better off finding the next Draymond Green (6-7 230 PF/C) than finding the next Karl-Anthony Towns (7-0 240 C). We need a couple of athletic, wider body, 6-6 to 6-8 PF types, that have some range and are tenacious rebounders. I think Terry Allen could have been that player at the 5 spot in a smaller line-up if we had another all-around SG/SF this year.

If we end up signing a 6-9+ guy this year, he is more likely to be a stiff or a project (Luke Piotrowski / Paul Friendshuh . Unless he is a foreign player who comes out of nowhere. I would much prefer an undersized (height) but skilled PF type with a chip on his shoulder.

This past year was a big disappointment and it was one of the most underachieving teams I can remember. But it showed glimpses of being very good (Cal, No. Iowa, most of the VCU and Dayton home games). While I think we could have used a rim protector, I also remember that we played our best last year when ANO was injured late in the season.

I think our problems this year came down to too many minutes when we had 2 or more players on the court who could not score (Trey and Deion) or weren't great low-post defenders (Allen, Cline, Wood). I think you can overcome one of those but not both, especially on the court at the same time.

IMO, this team was missing a very good all-around SG/SF. Someone that can shoot, defend and rebound (Buckingham? Sherod?). That would have given us a solid 8 man rotation with 4 guys at the PG-SF spots (Shawndre, Fore, & "Missing SG/SF" with Trey off the bench) and 4 guys at PF/C (Allen & Cline with Wood and Deion off the bench). Plug in Julius Johnson for a few mins a game at SG/SF to give the core 4 'small' guys a break.

We will have to see what Buck and Sherod can do, but if they can live up to the hype and Golden can give some mins off the bench then we will likely be a scoring PF (Terry Allen type player) away from being good.
 
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I'm not sure anyone is too hung up on height Vol, but I know I am hung up on not having a back to basket PF next year. TJ is really our 5, we don't have a proven option at 4, and are going to be breaking someone new in for sure at 3, probably either RunDMB or Nick. We also are going to turn to a lot of new minutes at 2 for KF+(one of JJ/DMB/JP).

So a major, major gap at 4 for us, we literally have no one on the roster who fits that description unless #freepaul is a wunderkind that's been stashed on the bench.
 
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2015 Freshman (Redshirt) 6'9 F Alex O'Neill (@AlexONeill8 ) has been granted his release from Creighton. Eligible to play next season!"

This kid was a preferred walkon at Creighton. Maybe because he was not on scholarship he can play right away? Not sure how that works, no clue what kind of player he is, but he's big and has 4 years of eligibility.
 
Perhaps I am reading into it but things like "Urgency on part of the coaching staff to recruit a much needed 5" and "I would think we want someone 6'8+ or taller for our last spot." and "We need a pure back to the basket bigman." sounds like people want a true C.

I agree that we need someone to replace Allen. Honestly I don't think we are going to find it this late in the recruiting process, just my opinion. My point was I think we would have been better off if Allen was playing the 4 or 5 instead of the 3 or 4. Next year we will have the opposite problem.

My other point was if Wesson and Ford are college ready (never seen them play) I would rather them as undersized PF that a project at PF/C. It sounds like Wesson is 6-5 to 6-6 and about 200 pounds. He would be undersized but he sounds the most college ready of the guys we are recruiting. Ford is a bit taller 6-7 to 6-8 but seems thin (190-200). I think Golden is around 6-9 220.

My last point was that pure big men don't usually slip under the radar. We are much more likely to find a big man who was under recruited because he was a bit undersized.
 
O'Neill was a walk-on on Creighton where both his parents and two siblings had gone. He originally committed to Nebraska-Omaha but backed out when they said they wanted him to redshirt and pay his own way for that year. Bradley offered him a similar deal. Otherwise he had D-II offers. Would take a lot to convince me he's the answer we're looking for.

He's immediately eligible because he was a walk-on and apparently was not recruited by Creighton.
 
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How about 6'5-6'7 with jumping ability, good frame, quickness and can shoot. Give me decent
size shooting guard and even 2 small forwards that can shoot and feed off of TJ and I will take
my chances on defense. Dayton did OK last year with tallest starter being 6'6. Fundelmentals
can be used better on defense but have 5 on the floor that can put ball in the hoop and I will let
a few offensive rebounds be ignored.
 
I floated those names a month or so back, and I think someone pointed out that the Kent State guy had already transferred once and had some legal issue. The UNCG kid seems like he'd be a nice fit though, assuming he is in fact going to transfer.
 
Every team in our league has a Big and most have turned out to be good even as freshman. Well I am speaking good against foremost but we need that gritty meat muscle banger in the paint. Fave it TJ is playing out of position and if we do not get him support we will be sadden next year because he'll be worn down . He is a Bad Boy Lambier type high post player not a banger on off n def. We know his off is way better than his def so why put him in the position to get in trouble. We need a 6'9+ guy we don't need any more wings

We had ample scoring this year our defensive chemistry and strategies lacked. I think if we had a true center our team would have been special this year. Hate saying this but ANO cost us our switching def is gears to send people to the help and ANO was a good off ball shot blocker thus team may be hesitant to drive and we can keep people in front contesting the jump shots better.
 
SpiderVol said:
Some of you guys put too much emphasis on height.

I think we are better off finding the next Draymond Green (6-7 230 PF/C) than finding the next Karl-Anthony Towns (7-0 240 C). We need a couple of athletic, wider body, 6-6 to 6-8 PF types, that have some range and are tenacious rebounders. I think Terry Allen could have been that player at the 5 spot in a smaller line-up if we had another all-around SG/SF this year.

If we end up signing a 6-9+ guy this year, he is more likely to be a stiff or a project (Luke Piotrowski / Paul Friendshuh . Unless he is a foreign player who comes out of nowhere. I would much prefer an undersized (height) but skilled PF type with a chip on his shoulder.

This past year was a big disappointment and it was one of the most underachieving teams I can remember. But it showed glimpses of being very good (Cal, No. Iowa, most of the VCU and Dayton home games). While I think we could have used a rim protector, I also remember that we played our best last year when ANO was injured late in the season.

I think our problems this year came down to too many minutes when we had 2 or more players on the court who could not score (Trey and Deion) or weren't great low-post defenders (Allen, Cline, Wood). I think you can overcome one of those but not both, especially on the court at the same time.

IMO, this team was missing a very good all-around SG/SF. Someone that can shoot, defend and rebound (Buckingham? Sherod?). That would have given us a solid 8 man rotation with 4 guys at the PG-SF spots (Shawndre, Fore, & "Missing SG/SF" with Trey off the bench) and 4 guys at PF/C (Allen & Cline with Wood and Deion off the bench). Plug in Julius Johnson for a few mins a game at SG/SF to give the core 4 'small' guys a break.

We will have to see what Buck and Sherod can do, but if they can live up to the hype and Golden can give some mins off the bench then we will likely be a scoring PF (Terry Allen type player) away from being good.
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Vol, great post! Agree with all of your points. Think Monte and Nick will be the missing links. OSC
 
Calling Coachfezz. YOU are the guy who can get us an European big man who can also shoot free throws. Make it a priority on your blog!!
 
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How about 6'5-6'7 with jumping ability, good frame, quickness and can shoot. Give me decent
size shooting guard and even 2 small forwards that can shoot and feed off of TJ and I will take
my chances on defense. Dayton did OK last year with tallest starter being 6'6. Fundelmentals
can be used better on defense but have 5 on the floor that can put ball in the hoop and I will let
a few offensive rebounds be ignored.
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Dayton did OK with this because they box out on defense. Unless we change in this regard, I am not sure this is the answer.
 
Richmond had a banger in Derrick Williams, but................ by his last year Mooney had him on the wing trying to be a 3. Not really the place for a 285lber to be. Had he went to some other school, maybe the coach would have done a better job of using his talents. And so it goes through the years under Mooney. Why would a true big want to play in his system?

Take a look at the S16 team and all of the talent there. They went a long way, but think about what they could have done in a less restricted system such as UNC's. So much potential, so many options and choices that they could have played on both ends of the court. Harper and KA got better and had stellar careers, but the rest of them didn't. Mooney whitewashed it out of them.
 
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Richmond had a banger in Derrick Williams, but................ by his last year Mooney had him on the wing trying to be a 3. Not really the place for a 285lber to be. Had he went to some other school, maybe the coach would have done a better job of using his talents. And so it goes through the years under Mooney. Why would a true big want to play in his system?

Take a look at the S16 team and all of the talent there. They went a long way, but think about what they could have done in a less restricted system such as UNC's. So much potential, so many options and choices that they could have played on both ends of the court. Harper and KA got better and had stellar careers, but the rest of them didn't. Mooney whitewashed it out of them.
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Pretty sure the change in DWill's game had to do with his multiple slipped disks.
 
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I'm not talking about the change in his game, but how Mooney used him in relation to this thread. I've said it before, give Mooney Shaq or Moses Malone and he will try to change them to his system instead of adapting his system to their talents. Then they would lose the skills that made them great. So why would a true big man want to come to UR?
 
The pivot would not . We have bad record with pivots. Not want to play offense defense substitute with Cline. Would ask WILL I PLAY WITH CLINE because Coach you NEVER like this si how can you expect pivot to believe?
 
Brachen Hazen, who signed with Central Florida, despite our recruiting efforts, is now without a head coach. If he declares himself a free agent, I hope that Coach Mooney is paying attention. His brother is a 4* player at the same high school. It may be a stretch, but we can always hope. Sign those two, then Bryce Golden, and we may be all set.
 
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Mooney now faces a self imposed dilemma.No inside threats on either side of the ball,absolutely no depth going into 2016-2017.A need to overhaul both defensive and offensive strategies.All this should not be a surprise to anyone on the coaching staff and it's certainly not a surprise to any of us who follow the tribulations of UR Bball.I would call it-asleep at the switch.
 
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After our junior class graduates, we have 1 a 10 player on roster. Mooney needs to use all 5 scholarships this year, and none of them can go to warm body roster filler types that have been all too commonplace in the past couple of years.
 
SpiderVol said:
Perhaps I am reading into it but things like "Urgency on part of the coaching staff to recruit a much needed 5" and "I would think we want someone 6'8+ or taller for our last spot." and "We need a pure back to the basket bigman." sounds like people want a true C.

I agree that we need someone to replace Allen. Honestly I don't think we are going to find it this late in the recruiting process, just my opinion. My point was I think we would have been better off if Allen was playing the 4 or 5 instead of the 3 or 4. Next year we will have the opposite problem.

My other point was if Wesson and Ford are college ready (never seen them play) I would rather them as undersized PF that a project at PF/C. It sounds like Wesson is 6-5 to 6-6 and about 200 pounds. He would be undersized but he sounds the most college ready of the guys we are recruiting. Ford is a bit taller 6-7 to 6-8 but seems thin (190-200). I think Golden is around 6-9 220.

My last point was that pure big men don't usually slip under the radar. We are much more likely to find a big man who was under recruited because he was a bit undersized.
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I would take Karl-Anthony Towns, I think.
 
32counter said:
Mooney now faces a self imposed dilemma.No inside threats on either side of the ball,absolutely no depth going into 2016-2017.A need to overhaul both defensive and offensive strategies.All this should not be a surprise to anyone on the coaching staff and it's certainly not a surprise to any of us who follow the tribulations of UR Bball.I would call it-asleep at the switch.
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Sounds like this year to me.
 
32counter said:
Mooney now faces a self imposed dilemma.No inside threats on either side of the ball,absolutely no depth going into 2016-2017.A need to overhaul both defensive and offensive strategies.All this should not be a surprise to anyone on the coaching staff and it's certainly not a surprise to any of us who follow the tribulations of UR Bball.I would call it-asleep at the switch.
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Do you not consider TJ an inside threat? He shoots 64% from 2, 38th best in the country. He is incredible inside. And our offense needs changing? As a team we routinely got our players open looks from 3, had the 10th best 2FG% in the country, and were the 8th best team at not turning the ball over. Our offense was great.
 
DWill was never the same after his ankle injury.

So given our history with recruiting big men, what makes anyone think CM will pull a rabbit out of his azz and land a quality big?
 
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DWill was never the same after his ankle injury.

So given our history with recruiting big men, what makes anyone think CM will pull a rabbit out of his azz and land a quality big?
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Harper, DWill, TA and TJ were all high quality bigs. Some might even include Geriot in that list.
 
fan2011 said:
Do you not consider TJ an inside threat? He shoots 64% from 2, 38th best in the country. He is incredible inside. And our offense needs changing? As a team we routinely got our players open looks from 3, had the 10th best 2FG% in the country, and were the 8th best team at not turning the ball over. Our offense was great.
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TJ will be asked to do it all.Top of key,backing in,outside 3.Next year he'll be easily doubled and tripled teamed.We will have no one of size to help him.3 undersized guards and 1 undersized forward.Last seasons stats are meaningless.
 
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