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2018-2019 Starting Lineup

I think JJ is a much better shooter when he feels like he is "allowed" to shoot as opposed to just taking a nibble here and there. I'm hopeful that he can be comfortable in his skin as the starting SG and translate that to being aggressive offensively.

As a side note, he EXCELS at giving up and-1s, and is our best flying dutchman. I'd be fine if he regressed in those two areas.
 
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LongTimeSpiderFan said:
He'd have been the fourth offensive option (at best) on his own team. Ya, some of his attributes will certainly be missed, but theres a huge gap from where he would have been to making "big noise" in the A10
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Huh? Maybe you didn't realize I was talking about Buck. If you did, I want some of those drugs your taking!
 
It is surprising to see so few posts on here regarding the projected starting line-up and the likely subs. Given the very few opinions about line-ups that have been expressed so far, here are a couple more.

I believe Woj will start and play most of the minutes at the 2-G, with Andre (Dre) spelling him and JJ backing up Nick at SF. Woj is simply WAY too good a shooter, and all-around talent, to be sitting many minutes on the bench. If Woj does start or play starter's minutes, this line-up will be better shooting than any we put on the floor last season, or dating back several years. We all know that Nick, Gilly and Grant are solid from distance, but many may not know that Woj could be the best outside shooter on this team. That gives us 4 good shooters on the floor at once, even with Nate at PF.

At this point I would bet on Oddo (or optimistically Woj) backing up Gilly (Jacob) at PG and Matt Grace (maybe also Nate) backing up Grant. In my view it should soon be competitive between Nate (starter) and Sal (back-up) at the PF position, and we will be a far better shooting team when Sal comes in, since he has a much more versatile skill-set, and is solid from 3. My favorite line-up (if we see it) will include Grant, Sal (in for Nate at PF), Nick, Woj and Gilly, with Dre, JJ, and Nate off the bench, but I don't expect to see this combination much until Sal proves himself, likely in a few more weeks.

I look for this to be our best outside shooting team in many years, and hopefully we will get a glimpse of that at 6-8 PM at the RC later today (Oct. 27th). I won't be surprised if we shoot 35-40+% from 3-point land as a team, especially once we learn to reliably set screens for the shooters. If we get lucky and find some good chemistry and leadership on this year's team, we could surprise everyone, even the most die-hard pessimists on this board, and this could be a very fun team to play with and follow.

I hope we get a good turn-out at the RC for this exhibition game, and hopefully we will get a few more postings on this board, with more opinions on our best line-ups, once the season is officially underway later today.
 
oldie ... maybe down the road but the RTD already gave us the current lineup, I assume with guidance from someone at UR.

1 - Gilyard backed up by Andre
2 - JJ with Woj pushing hard. could change quickly
3 - Nick ... Noah
4 - Nathan ... Sal
5 - Grant
 
SpiderDaMan said:
Huh? Maybe you didn't realize I was talking about Buck. If you did, I want some of those drugs your taking!
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I know you were talking about Buck. The offense was not going to run thru him at all... Thats obvious to even the most casual observer. It was and will run thru NS and GG. Throw in Gilyard and yes, Buck becomes (at best) the fourth option. His strengths were not in the offensive side of the ball. Once you understand that, then youll see why Buck was never going to make "big noise" in the A-10...and im a big Buck fan and would love having a player like him on every team. What specifically have i said that you disagree with? And i dont think you need anymore drugs...
 
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Sorry if I used a nickname that one of our players prefers not be used, and I will attempt to use "Nathan" or NC going forward. I was going by nicknames that I had heard one or more of the coaches use. When you are a coach you like single syllable nicknames, and Nathan does not work well in a "game" situation.

Note to other posters: It would appear that at least one of our players does read this board, If so, it may be advisable for us all to be diplomatic in any criticisms that may be offered about individual players. It is hard to read something written about us, especially at age 18-21, and not take it personally. I will also keep this in mind in future posts.

PS: It will be interesting to see if the RTD got it right or if they were using old data or unreliable sources, in projecting the line-up and back-ups. We should know more by 8 PM tonight, once this exhibition game is in the books.
 
I think nathanw19 was just making a joke. I wouldn’t be surprised if players read the board but I would be very shocked if any of them were posters.
 
spiderman said:
oldie ... maybe down the road but the RTD already gave us the current lineup, I assume with guidance from someone at UR.

1 - Gilyard backed up by Andre
2 - JJ with Woj pushing hard. could change quickly
3 - Nick ... Noah
4 - Nathan ... Sal
5 - Grant
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This seems strange to me. Why would there be a 1-5 with set backups? Certainly, Sal could come in for Nick, or Noah for Nathan, or Andre for JJ, and a lot more where that came from. I don't see why anyone would think it makes sense to have a 1-5 and then have automatic subs for each spot.
 
LongTimeSpiderFan said:
I know you were talking about Buck. The offense was not going to run thru him at all... Thats obvious to even the most casual observer. It was and will run thru NS and GG. Throw in Gilyard and yes, Buck becomes (at best) the fourth option. His strengths were not in the offensive side of the ball. Once you understand that, then youll see why Buck was never going to make "big noise" in the A-10...and im a big Buck fan and would love having a player like him on every team. What specifically have i said that you disagree with? And i dont think you need anymore drugs...
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OK, II thoroughly disagree and I'll take a big Kat bite and I'm a bit more than a casual observer. .

To describe Buck as a 4th option just doesn't compute. Heck, I think we in the Nation would most all be very happy to have had him We'd have been all jacked up about having potentially 2 DJ's.Heck if he decides he's 100% about straightening up his act and coach was convinced we'd be glad to have him in 2020.

He actually outdid DJ's numbers last year and presented essentially the same numbers as a freshman (which DJ did not do). Dude can ball. He's a force on the floor going both ways.

7 boards/game. 12.2. PPG. 53% 2 rate. 76% FT's. 34% 3 rate and A/TO rate over 1 for a guy taking on a large portion of the offensive attack His EFG% is 57%! Well on target to exceed 1600 points over a 4 year career! Do you think Gilyard or anyone other than potentially GG is going to replace those 31 minutes per game and production?

What in the World could anyone possibly want out of a guy through 2 years with both years having almost identical stats? Heck the dude could play as a high end starter in his 1st year. These numbers are quite similar to another 4 star across town. I think it's safe to say that those numbers would only have elevated as he went through his 3rd and 4th year. 4th option? Without him 7 wins would have been a stretch.

His numbers didn't vary in conference or out of conference in either of his first two years. This is a high level guy that is incredibly consistent. He can play against anyone and produce these numbers..I'll trade you for 2 or maybe even 3 Gilyards any day.

I still say I need those great drugs. If there are numbers that I need to know besides the ones above by all means enlighten me

There are a large number of upper half D1 squads that would welcome this kind of production.
 
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SpiderDaMan said:
OK, II thoroughly disagree and I'll take a big Kat bite and I'm a bit more than a casual observer. .

To describe Buck as a 4th option just doesn't compute. Heck, I think we in the Nation would most all be very happy to have had him We'd have been all jacked up about having potentially 2 DJ's.Heck if he decides he's 100% about straightening up his act and coach was convinced we'd be glad to have him in 2020.

He actually outdid DJ's numbers last year and presented essentially the same numbers as a freshman (which DJ did not do). Dude can ball. He's a force on the floor going both ways.

7 boards/game. 12.2. PPG. 53% 2 rate. 76% FT's. 34% 3 rate and A/TO rate over 1 for a guy taking on a large portion of the offensive attack His EFG% is 57%! Well on target to exceed 1600 points over a 4 year career! Do you think Gilyard or anyone other than potentially GG is going to replace those 31 minutes per game and production?

What in the World could anyone possibly want out of a guy through 2 years with both years having almost identical stats? Heck the dude could play as a high end starter in his 1st year. These numbers are quite similar to another 4 star across town. I think it's safe to say that those numbers would only have elevated as he went through his 3rd and 4th year. 4th option? Without him 7 wins would have been a stretch.

His numbers didn't vary in conference or out of conference in either of his first two years. This is a high level guy that is incredibly consistent. He can play against anyone and produce these numbers..I'll trade you for 2 or maybe even 3 Gilyards any day.

I still say I need those great drugs. If there are numbers that I need to know besides the ones above by all means enlighten me

There are a large number of upper half D1 squads that would welcome this kind of production.
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Except no upper half D1 squads even considered him after he left. Allow me to disagree on almost all of your post. Good player, good athlete, but, at 6'4 with shaky ball handling skills and a questionable outside shot that did not draw out any defense the 2 years he was here, if he is not your 4th or 5th option, you are in trouble. As for his assists to turnover ratio you somehow gave him credit for, he was 19th out of 20th in this ratio for the top 20 assist guys in our conference last year, and he rarely handled the ball. We will fine without him.
 
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Spider2020 said:
I think nathanw19 was just making a joke. I wouldn’t be surprised if players read the board but I would be very shocked if any of them were posters.
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I was most definitely jokingly. I am not Cayo.

You asked if Nathan goes by Nate. I answered as my name is Nathan. Sorry for any confusion.
 
VT4700 said:
Except no upper half D1 squads even considered him after he left. Allow me to disagree on almost all of your post. Good player, good athlete, but, at 6'4 with shaky ball handling skills and a questionable outside shot that did not draw out any defense the 2 years he was here, if he is not your 4th or 5th option, you are in trouble. As for his assists to turnover ratio you somehow gave him credit for, he was 19th out of 20th in this ratio for the top 20 assist guys in our conference last year, and he rarely handled the ball. We will fine without him.
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12 and 7 as a fresh and a soph can't be argued no matter how bad one wants to believe their argument. And no I didn't comment on his total assists if you go review my comment. I only said he was better than 1:1 which is good for a scoring wing. As for outside shooting, I agree, but you can't ignore a 12 and 7 number. I don't care how he gets his 12. He gets them and the 7 boards just might be better than the 12 points. I can get you some Geordie glasses if you'd like them. Keep disagreeing if it makes you feel better.

Being fine is not as good as being really good. I'll take him as a 30 minute starter on my squad anytime. You would too, but, alas, that's history. If convincing yourself that this isn't a huge loss makes you feel better, by all means have at it.
 
nathanw19 said:
I was most definitely jokingly. I am not Cayo.

You asked if Nathan goes by Nate. I answered as my name is Nathan. Sorry for any confusion.
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I figured that you were not Cayo unless you joined the board when you were 8 or 9 years old...duh.
 
Spideroldie said:
Sorry if I used a nickname that one of our players prefers not be used, and I will attempt to use "Nathan" or NC going forward. I was going by nicknames that I had heard one or more of the coaches use. When you are a coach you like single syllable nicknames, and Nathan does not work well in a "game" situation.

Note to other posters: It would appear that at least one of our players does read this board, If so, it may be advisable for us all to be diplomatic in any criticisms that may be offered about individual players. It is hard to read something written about us, especially at age 18-21, and not take it personally. I will also keep this in mind in future posts.



I am so tired of folks advising posters to tiptoe around the message boards because a kid might get his feelings hurt. If they don't understand that we're just a bunch of fans expressing opinions and not a forum for NBA scouts, then maybe they're at the wrong school. As my wife likes to say, if they're that dumb they should have gone to Auburn.
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Kudos to the coaching staff for starting Woj at 2-G and using Dre as the back-up 2-G, while shifting JJ to compete with Nick at the SF position. I also like that Sal is getting a chance to back-up Nate and that Matt is backing up Grant. The key decision though is shifting JJ to SF, and giving two freshmen a chance to get almost all of the 2-G minutes. Woj played very well in this game too, suggesting that this key "position" decision was a sound one.

Kudos also to the coaching staff for the overall recruiting effort this year. Woj will start, Dre Andre) will be the back-up 2-G, and Sal will very likely be the back-up at PF. Both Dre and Sal should get valuable minutes and both should be able to more than hold their own when the starters are out. Also (biggest surprise for me), Matt Grace looks like a very solid guy to bring in to spell Grant, and he looks like he is a very well-rounded player (and excellent passer). At least one of the newcomers looks like a very strong starter and at least three look like they will be very valuable contributors, and maybe compete for a starting role, down the road. I had my doubts about this recruiting cycle, since a number of the guys did not earn a lot of "stars" (or D-1 offers),but if this game was any indication, it looks like we just may have added some solid players to the team. Is it too early to claim success and be sure? Yes. However, based on a single game, and one that does not even count, there appear to be initial reasons for optimism. .
 
no disrespect to JJ, but as others have said it can only be a good thing that Woj started already.

and while we haven't really discussed Matt much before tonight, it makes much more sense to have him backup Grant than to go really small there.
 
SpiderDaMan said:
OK, II thoroughly disagree and I'll take a big Kat bite and I'm a bit more than a casual observer. .

To describe Buck as a 4th option just doesn't compute. Heck, I think we in the Nation would most all be very happy to have had him We'd have been all jacked up about having potentially 2 DJ's.Heck if he decides he's 100% about straightening up his act and coach was convinced we'd be glad to have him in 2020.

He actually outdid DJ's numbers last year and presented essentially the same numbers as a freshman (which DJ did not do). Dude can ball. He's a force on the floor going both ways.

7 boards/game. 12.2. PPG. 53% 2 rate. 76% FT's. 34% 3 rate and A/TO rate over 1 for a guy taking on a large portion of the offensive attack His EFG% is 57%! Well on target to exceed 1600 points over a 4 year career! Do you think Gilyard or anyone other than potentially GG is going to replace those 31 minutes per game and production?

What in the World could anyone possibly want out of a guy through 2 years with both years having almost identical stats? Heck the dude could play as a high end starter in his 1st year. These numbers are quite similar to another 4 star across town. I think it's safe to say that those numbers would only have elevated as he went through his 3rd and 4th year. 4th option? Without him 7 wins would have been a stretch.

His numbers didn't vary in conference or out of conference in either of his first two years. This is a high level guy that is incredibly consistent. He can play against anyone and produce these numbers..I'll trade you for 2 or maybe even 3 Gilyards any day.

I still say I need those great drugs. If there are numbers that I need to know besides the ones above by all means enlighten me

There are a large number of upper half D1 squads that would welcome this kind of production.
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Again, what partucularly did i say that you disagree with...
 
Spiders05 said:
2018 season has begun. Let's keep the focus on that in this thread as opposed to players that are no longer here.
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Great point, and I admit I am as guilty of anyone of looking back and commenting on past guys. Back to this team: I love, love, love the looks of it. We have a great mix, and I can't wait for the season to start.
 
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Pretty much your entire assessment of Buck being a 4th/5th option. I thought it important remind you of the actual numbers before you gave your full commitment to your opinion.
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You must be a politician. Now that youve made me aware of all statistics, i still cintend that Buck was, at best, our 4th (at best ) offensive option in a average A10 team... In no scenario would this player make this "big noise". Whats more, ill also say Buck saw the writing on the wall. If you think hed have been a more primary offensive option - say it. And tell me who is mivung down the list of offensive options. As i said earlier, i love Buck and what a player luke him brings to a team, but i think you're idea of "big noise" is overly optimistic
 
LongTimeSpiderFan said:
You must be a politician. Now that youve made me aware of all statistics, i still cintend that Buck was, at best, our 4th (at best ) offensive option in a average A10 team... In no scenario would this player make this "big noise". Whats more, ill also say Buck saw the writing on the wall. If you think hed have been a more primary offensive option - say it. And tell me who is mivung down the list of offensive options. As i said earlier, i love Buck and what a player luke him brings to a team, but i think you're idea of "big noise" is overly optimistic
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OK, in the face of all facts you stick with it. I'm OK with this. Politician? No I look at the facts and draw a conclusion. Now let's get back to the subject at hand please.
 
SpiderDaMan said:
OK, in the face of all facts you stick with it. I'm OK with this. Politician? No I look at the facts and draw a conclusion. Now let's get back to the subject at hand please.
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What are you talking about? No one needs statistics to know that GG and NS are offensive options #1 and #2. The offense NEVER ran through Buck and it wasnt going to his junior or senior year! He was best getting an occasional three, a put back, breakaway (primarily outside the normal fliw of the offense) if you want to argue that Mooney would have Buck over Gilyard as offensive option #3 go for it, but i think even Buck knew that Gilyard was ahead of him in the offensive pecking order. Are you watching the games or just reading a box score?
 
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There are 4 clear starters and have been since the end the 2017-18 season. Who's to be the 5th? We're only looking at one spot.
 
After seeing the exhibition game on Saturday there should no longer be any mystery about who will be in the starting line-up when the season tips off officially vs. Longwood.

Three starters have been known for some time and the 4th and 5th guys will clearly include Woj (2-G) and Nate (PF), who have earned the starting roles. From now through the first few games of the OOC season the key will be to figure out if anyone will challenge the starters and who will earn the largest number of minutes off the bench.

My current prediction is that Dre (Andre), and Matt, along with Sal and JJ, should earn almost all of the back-up minutes. If Noah and/or Thomas can also contribute, that would be a nice bonus. The development of Dre, Sal, Matt, and maybe Noah, is likely to determine whether this team will be "special' or just good. In either case we should be stronger overall than last season, pending continued development of positive team chemistry and unselfish play. It is a nice change to no longer have to force-feed "non-shooters" into the rotation.
 
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has anyone who's been at practices (Ulla) seen Noah enough to evaluate or has he been out too much?
wish there was another scrimmage to see more of Bryce. seems like a good energy guy.
 
I believe what I read was that Noah has an ankle sprain and it was considered minor, but not worth having him exacerbate it in the exhibition game.

I don't think anyone really knows where he'll play, but since the prevailings winds are that positions don't matter anymore, I guess it's anywhere from 2-4.
 
MrTbone said:
I believe what I read was that Noah has an ankle sprain and it was considered minor, but not worth having him exacerbate it in the exhibition game.

I don't think anyone really knows where he'll play, but since the prevailings winds are that positions don't matter anymore, I guess it's anywhere from 2-4.
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Wasn’t Noah a FCS Tight End?
 
definitely a perimeter guy. last year he took 3 times as many 3's as 2's.
took almost three 3 pointers per game in 17 mpg, which is comparable to the shot rate for both Sherod and Gilyard. And his 38.2% accuracy is right there with Sherod and Gilyard too.

yes he played TE, but 3 surgeries to his elbow ended that.
 
spiderman said:
definitely a perimeter guy. last year he took 3 times as many 3's as 2's.
took almost three 3 pointers per game in 17 mpg, which is comparable to the shot rate for both Sherod and Gilyard. And his 38.2% accuracy is right there with Sherod and Gilyard too.

yes he played TE, but 3 surgeries to his elbow ended that.
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First surgery ending HS pitching, later ones ended college TE.
But I was wondering if being a TE he might be able to hold his ground on defense.
On Offense he is definitely perimeter.
 
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