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Football to Patriot League. Should basketball and rest of sports be concerned?

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spiderman said:
Trap, what you'e asking about is absolutely happening. Just not through collectives.

athletes are paid for the eyeballs that follow them. so a great women's field hockey player needs to work outside the lines to have a huge social media following. businesses see the value in signing them if they have enough followers. they actually pay more to great players with big followings than they would to advertise on ESPN because these followers are a very targeted audience for their product.
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I don't expect it to happen through collectives - but its hard to say how much and how big it is happening because these NIL numbers, even from private companies are so secretive. Schools and Players don't have to disclose what players are receiving what money from what sources? and vice versa - the big name brands don't have to disclose either, and most do not.

I agree its happening and should be happening. For the best women's college lacrosse player in the NCAA - this is their time to make money. But you are right - they need a social following. If they can do that - then someone will pay them to post on instagram or tiktok their latest equipment, fashion, etc.
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2024–25 schedule

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8legs1dream said:
Just a quick glance over a few of their top teams non-conference highlights. I didnt dig too deep into potential MTE matchups unless it was already there on the schedule:

UNLV- Memphis, Mississippi State (MTE), Butler OR Northwestern (MTE), Creighton, Dayton
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Colorado State- Ole Miss, Washington (MTE), TCU OR Santa Clara (MTE), Colorado, VCU
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Utah State- Iowa (MTE), Bonnies, St Marys, South Florida
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SDSU- Gonzaga, Cal, Texas A&M + Oregon + Creighton (all 3 MTE)
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New Mexico- UCLA, St Johns, Arizona State (MTE), Saint Marys OR USC (MTE), VCU
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Nevada- Washington, Vanderbilt (MTE), Seton Hall OR VCU (MTE), Washington State
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Boise State- Clemson, San Francisco, Washington State, St Marys, possible second round matchup in their MTE with Duqesne and possible third round with Boston College. They seem to be the only ones that didn't end up in an upper tier MTE.

Pretty damn strong overall. :oops:
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Great work 8legs! Appreciate it. Seems much stronger
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Football to Patriot League. Should basketball and rest of sports be concerned?

spiderman
Trap, what you'e asking about is absolutely happening. Just not through collectives.

athletes are paid for the eyeballs that follow them. so a great women's field hockey player needs to work outside the lines to have a huge social media following. businesses see the value in signing them if they have enough followers. they actually pay more to great players with big followings than they would to advertise on ESPN because these followers are a very targeted audience for their product.
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Football to Patriot League. Should basketball and rest of sports be concerned?

SFspidur
All of those "NIL valuation" rankings are completely made up.

The "methodologies" are giant word salads liberally citing "proprietary algorithms" they use to concoct all of this out of thin air.

www.on3.com

About On3 NIL Valuation, Roster Value and NIL

The On3 NIL Valuation, Post Value and the NIL 100 set the standard market value for student-athletes and their NIL deals.
www.on3.com www.on3.com
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Football to Patriot League. Should basketball and rest of sports be concerned?

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Is NIL secretive? I just saw a list of the top 10 college NIL earners this week.

Or is it that we're just not hearing about the field hockey player who makes an extra $2500 in a year because why would we? The vast amount of attention will go to the top 10. (for those wondering the Duke freshman big man is #1 by far, with the KU center who transferred from Michigan up there, a couple of women's college hoopers in the top 5 as well as a men's basketball guy I had never heard of, but he has 1 arm.)
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Football to Patriot League. Should basketball and rest of sports be concerned?

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spiderman said:
well ... unless you're hot.
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I wish NIL Money would be more public because this was one area NIL money was supposed to help - in these non-revenue sports, especially on the female side. For sports like women's volleyball, lacrosse, field hockey, swimming, etc - where there really is no viable professional option - college sports are the top level. But these are big businesses for equipment makers and brands.

Example - womens field hockey. There are approximately 6,500 womens field hockey players in the US. Then factor in all the HS players, and youth players - it becomes a very large number. But say STX, one of the largest producers of field hockey sticks, can now align with the best players in each region and have them market to the youth community to purchase their gear and equipment. Its not like basketball or football where a pro athlete can do it, cause there really is no pro field hockey.

But hard to tell if this occuring because NIL is so secretive, but this was supposed to be one of the positives of NIL - to help some of these non-revenue athletes make money in probably the only 4 years they truly can make money off themselves in their sport.
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Football to Patriot League. Should basketball and rest of sports be concerned?

97spiderfan
spiderman said:
they need to separate rev and non-rev sports into separate conferences with geograhic-based conferences for non-rev sports.
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Yes, this is a good idea. It is insane to have your golf team, women's volleyball team and swim teams flying all over the country for meets. It is askig way to much of student athletes, whom unlike football and hoops athletes, do these sports not to be professionals but are true amateurs and none of them are getting any NIL money to do so.
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Football to Patriot League. Should basketball and rest of sports be concerned?

97spiderfan
SFspidur said:
I could be wrong, but I assume most sports (basketball and football excluded) fly commercial, not private, even at the P4 level. Between getting to and from the airport, security/check-in, and making connections, those cross-country flying trips end up being way longer than a 5-hour door-to-door bus ride where you can at least nap pretty much the whole way.
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Agreed and if you've flown commercial since Covid, it's a 50-50 proposition that said flight is going to go off on time as scheduled.
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Football to Patriot League. Should basketball and rest of sports be concerned?

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SFspidur said:
A number of schools have small private planes for athletic recruiting and other small-group travel, but I don't think the economics work to own a large plane, even if you're flying teams a lot. Purchase, ownership, and operation costs rise significantly for those types of aircraft. Those planes need to be in the air most of the time to be cost-effective, and I don't see any way the need is there. Plus you have vastly different sized squads. You're not going to pay fuel and other costs to fly a 180-seat plane somewhere to transport the 6-person tennis team and a few coaches/staff (extreme example I know, but it even applies to larger teams where you might transporting ~40 people).

NFL teams with all their billions in value (other than the Patriots to my knowledge) just charter planes instead of owning. The Patriots-owned planes are operated by a third-party charter company that charters them out for other purposes in the offseason.
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Yeah - I had heard most pro teams don't own planes, but I was thinking for an entire athletic program - would it get more use? You likely would need two-three size planes.

But even in the chartering world - how long until we see advertisements on football helmets/jerseys, etc for an airline that that a program trades to offset the cost of chartering all these flights. The pro teams already allow ads on their uniforms, so I would assume the colleges will be next in line. I don't think the players care. Hey Stanford women's volleyball - we are going to put a Delta sticker on your jerseys and warm-up shirts, in return, - you get to fly private planes to all your games.

But this just shows the arms race that is college athletics - charter flights used to be a big deal, something only the bigger programs enjoyed. But now with this conference re-alignment, and even before - it has become more commonplace even for mid-majors like UR, and will continue to become more commonplace as well.
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2024–25 schedule

97spiderfan
32counter said:
1,260 posts about 3 non existent games.What about the other 28 games?Talk about having idle time chasing windmills…Sad.
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I for one love this thread. It is the perfect encapsulation of UR athletic leadership being asleep at the wheel. We sat on our asses with our OOC and got left out of a quality MTE. So we hopped on this Gulf Coast sh*t show at the 11th hour to save face and appeal to the part of the fanbase that doesn't play close attention to the schedule, so they could say "hey look at this great MTE experience we have" and the gullible old ladies on social media would praise them.

But now, it is like a slow motion car wreck cause Gulf Coast is so third rate that they can't even fulfill the basic obligations of an MTE. Meanwhile, our big rival, conference partner, is playing in a great MTE and not only that just did not 1 but 2 victory laps on us by announcing 2025 and 2026 top of the line MTE's.

This is what you called grade A prime message board fodder and I am here for it.
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