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GKiller
spiderstudent17 said:
I agree that Mooney isn’t going anywhere. Like I said before, the earliest I can see is after 2026-2027 season. Just interesting to talk about whenever that time comes. You think Spiders go for an upcoming young head coach kind of guy from a smaller program, an assistant coach from a P5 program, a big name head coach fired from P5, or internal hire.

My guess is there’s a 75% chance it’ll be young upcoming or internal hire
25% chance the other 2 options
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upcoming coach from lower program.

You can find the good retread hire oocasionally but I'm personally not a big fan. u even want to extend those guys too a la Frank Martin.

internal hire? I think the premise is we would be looking for a new hire because Mooney continues to underperform and not be succesful enough. I don't even think Big Hat No Cattle considers in that scenario. Or he'd be the biggest chump imaginable.
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I miss 4700

spiderman
97spiderfan said:
Agreed but we have a lot of advantages over many of our league brethren that automatically give us a leg up.

Problems:
St. Bonnies: Location, outdated facilities
LaSalle: High school level Facilities, school is basically broke, little interest in program
Duquesne: Except last year have been putrid for a generation
UMass: Leaving for the MAC, sacrificed their hoops team for FB
GW: Facilities, very little interest in program
Davidson: Made a nepotism hire, only a college so cant' take grad/keep transfers
Mason: Commuter school, unappealing facilities, lack of any success last 20 years.

The schools on par with our facilities, financial commitment, fan base, track record to be successful are VCU, SLU, Dayton. Those are our peer group. The A-10 needs us to be one of the stronger members because of all this. We aren't. Part of the leagues downfall from being a 3-4 bid league to a 1-2 bid league has been schools like us, Rhode Island, St. Joes, Loyola not being consistently upper tier. Rhody, St. Joes, us also all have suspect coaches not able to get us over the hump.
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regarding advantages:
Bonnies I agree. not sure how they're ever good. but they usually are. more with less.
LaSalle I agree. but they can recruit Philly and have ease of admission. they somehow had some big years back in time.
not sure why Fordham can't be better ... but they can't.

the others:
Duquesne ... no real reason they can't be good like us.
UMass leaving now, but no reason they weren't good. they did it before with NIL pre-NIL.
GW: can't see a reason they can't be as good as us.
Davidson: they were somehow very good with dad. tough admissions but same boat as us.
Mason: what's wrong with their facilities? other than their colors, it's a great arena. they've had success.
URI: absolutely should be good.
SJU: a better LaSalle. has great basketball history.
Loyola is good.

I just don't see this huge advantage you think UR has over these others. UR may have an advantage with some suburban kids. I was attracted to it's beauty. but not every kid wants "leafy".
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I miss 4700

97spiderfan
spiderman said:
VCU and Dayton have clearly been much better than us. and that sucks. SLU has been better by 1 bid. nobody else still in the A10 has done better. just stating facts.

I want to go every year too. but reading this board would lead one to believe we've been one of the worst teams in the league for the last 20 years. we haven't been. but we are this year.
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Agreed but we have a lot of advantages over many of our league brethren that automatically give us a leg up.

Problems:
St. Bonnies: Location, outdated facilities
LaSalle: High school level Facilities, school is basically broke, little interest in program
Duquesne: Except last year have been putrid for a generation
UMass: Leaving for the MAC, sacrificed their hoops team for FB
GW: Facilities, very little interest in program
Davidson: Made a nepotism hire, only a college so cant' take grad/keep transfers
Mason: Commuter school, unappealing facilities, lack of any success last 20 years.

The schools on par with our facilities, financial commitment, fan base, track record to be successful are VCU, SLU, Dayton. Those are our peer group. The A-10 needs us to be one of the stronger members because of all this. We aren't. Part of the leagues downfall from being a 3-4 bid league to a 1-2 bid league has been schools like us, Rhode Island, St. Joes, Loyola not being consistently upper tier. Rhody, St. Joes, us also all have suspect coaches not able to get us over the hump.
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spiderman
MrTbone said:
It continues to amaze me that this is the takeaway to things like this. The fact that some of these programs have been in the A10 for less time than CM or are no longer in the A10 but amassed more ncaa berths while competing against him is the story.

We should have by now been among the class of the A10 with the departure of Xavier or Temple or over newcomers like VCU or Davidson.

Stop rationalizing the lack of production.
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VCU and Dayton have clearly been much better than us. and that sucks. SLU has been better by 1 bid. nobody else still in the A10 has done better. just stating facts.

I want to go every year too. but reading this board would lead one to believe we've been one of the worst teams in the league for the last 20 years. we haven't been. but we are this year.
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The Trump Administration

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KE Spider said:
The conviction will be overturned. You know this.

Cuomo said the case would have never been brought were not the Defendant's last name Trump. You know this too.

This was the flimsiest case of all the lawfare nonsense which contributed to the Dems November defeat. Most citizens saw it for what it was, legal harassment for hoped political gain. Backfired. Big time. Hatred blinding reason.

Insurrection is a loaded term which scarcely describes the events of Jan 6. You know this too.
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I'm not going to spend time researching it, but wasn't Michael Cohen convicted of the same crime or essentially the same crime as Trump? I assume you think the case against Cohen should not have been brought either, and he served time for the crime along with lying under oath. I don't recall you complaining when Cohen was charged but maybe you did.

And you certainly sound like Trump when he says something questionable or false and then says "Everybody knows this".
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Non-Conference Road Games

97spiderfan
spider23 said:
Internal hire? No. But I could see Hardt going that way. That would basically signal that we don't want to "compete".

Still remember after the 2010-11 season. 17, if you go back to message boards history, I was a huge Mooney supporter. I think I have the resume as one of the most balanced posters in the history of spidernation board when it comes to my opinion on moon :) . But after that season, and could have my timeline messed up a little, but that was when he was getting interest from BC and others. And my instinct was, great job moon, time to move on up. Just felt that it had run its course. Was hoping he would take BC job. We were a super red hot coaching destination at that point in time. We could have had 5 top hot coaches to pick from. Little did I know that we would slide sooooo much and not see NCAA for a moonllenium. A freaking moonllenium before we would see NCAA. Big miss after that season was we went after and were in the running for some top 100 types. Struck out and didn't have greatest option B's. And I'll admit, was all in on those top guys, but think it probably cost us some opportunity lost on other guys.

I agree with GK in that we would still have guys lining up. But again, I see some of the same hurdles with the PQ/Hardt power base as you have now. So my ideal is Hardt retires, a Ukrop type steps in and at least balances PQ, we do an exhaustive national search, and get a banger.

But reality is you are correct. Triumvirate is fully invested in the long game HS recruits (though as pointed out that has not been moons strongpoint) build in this NIL era. Lot of holes in this plan. Number one, if any of these guys are actually elite players they will get poached. So yes, agree following 26-27 season is absolute earliest. And then moon will probably pull something out as he will have that motivation to coach his son (whether he is a walk on or a legit player). I have not been tracking his kids, and did not realize one was already a freshman in HS. This plan to coach his sons at UR is the most disheartening hoops news I have heard in awhile. Really really hits b/c if true (and not doubting) it gives him some motivation to do anything he can to hang on next few years.

Happy Tuesday Spidernation!!!!
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Didn't realize that with Coach for Life also came with giving his kids schollies on our team as well. Man, the University of Richmond really is going all out to support the Mooney family.
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Non-Conference Road Games

spider23
Internal hire? No. But I could see Hardt going that way. That would basically signal that we don't want to "compete".

Still remember after the 2010-11 season. 17, if you go back to message boards history, I was a huge Mooney supporter. I think I have the resume as one of the most balanced posters in the history of spidernation board when it comes to my opinion on moon :) . But after that season, and could have my timeline messed up a little, but that was when he was getting interest from BC and others. And my instinct was, great job moon, time to move on up. Just felt that it had run its course. Was hoping he would take BC job. We were a super red hot coaching destination at that point in time. We could have had 5 top hot coaches to pick from. Little did I know that we would slide sooooo much and not see NCAA for a moonllenium. A freaking moonllenium before we would see NCAA. Big miss after that season was we went after and were in the running for some top 100 types. Struck out and didn't have greatest option B's. And I'll admit, was all in on those top guys, but think it probably cost us some opportunity lost on other guys.

I agree with GK in that we would still have guys lining up. But again, I see some of the same hurdles with the PQ/Hardt power base as you have now. So my ideal is Hardt retires, a Ukrop type steps in and at least balances PQ, we do an exhaustive national search, and get a banger.

But reality is you are correct. Triumvirate is fully invested in the long game HS recruits (though as pointed out that has not been moons strongpoint) build in this NIL era. Lot of holes in this plan. Number one, if any of these guys are actually elite players they will get poached. So yes, agree following 26-27 season is absolute earliest. And then moon will probably pull something out as he will have that motivation to coach his son (whether he is a walk on or a legit player). I have not been tracking his kids, and did not realize one was already a freshman in HS. This plan to coach his sons at UR is the most disheartening hoops news I have heard in awhile. Really really hits b/c if true (and not doubting) it gives him some motivation to do anything he can to hang on next few years.

Happy Tuesday Spidernation!!!!
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spiderstudent17
GKiller said:
Mooney isn’t going anywhere. Earl needs more time. I liked him as hire for W&M (SFSpidur can pull that history up if he likes) but he didn’t kill it at Cornell. Losing record & zero NCAAs. But improved them incrementally & u have solid programs to overcome in ivy like Princeton Harvard Yale.

Think just another example of what a right hire can do. Breathes life into program & can happen right away. We r so lacking energy within our program. So I’d take him solely because we need a change of any course. Any warm body at this point might do. But his pedigree is too much like Mooney. We love us some Ivy connections…yawn. If he just kills it for a couple years at W&M sure maybe he makes the list. He’s doing well for WM let’s see how he finishes too. But he’d be down our list regardless because coaches would be lining up for the Spiders job imo.
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I agree that Mooney isn’t going anywhere. Like I said before, the earliest I can see is after 2026-2027 season. Just interesting to talk about whenever that time comes. You think Spiders go for an upcoming young head coach kind of guy from a smaller program, an assistant coach from a P5 program, a big name head coach fired from P5, or internal hire.

My guess is there’s a 75% chance it’ll be young upcoming or internal hire
25% chance the other 2 options
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Non-Conference Road Games

GKiller
spiderstudent17 said:
I am seeing W&M’s bball success on X and was curious. What are everyone’s thoughts on Brian Earl as a coach? Princeton grad, coached at Cornell, and is having great success at W&M year 1. On paper, he would be a great fit at UR.

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Mooney isn’t going anywhere. Earl needs more time. I liked him as hire for W&M (SFSpidur can pull that history up if he likes) but he didn’t kill it at Cornell. Losing record & zero NCAAs. But improved them incrementally & u have solid programs to overcome in ivy like Princeton Harvard Yale.

Think just another example of what a right hire can do. Breathes life into program & can happen right away. We r so lacking energy within our program. So I’d take him solely because we need a change of any course. Any warm body at this point might do. But his pedigree is too much like Mooney. We love us some Ivy connections…yawn. If he just kills it for a couple years at W&M sure maybe he makes the list. He’s doing well for WM let’s see how he finishes too. But he’d be down our list regardless because coaches would be lining up for the Spiders job imo.
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GKiller
mojo-spider said:
or Blacksburg - VA Tech or Chapel Hill - UNC and potentially many others...he's a big winner wherever he's stopped just like former UR coach John Beilein...he's earned it.

Go Spiders!
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Yes & he could have been our coach years ago. Missed opportunity. Of course even last year there was the VT4700 crew who didn’t see him as any better than Mooney. That was a fun debate. Maybe the same ppl who didn’t think vcu was that good.
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NCAA Tournament "at large" candidate University of Richmond Women

V
Section 204and5 said:
Saw a bracket prediction yesterday that was a week or so old. Had us as a 7 seed against Oregon at 10.

What made me scratch my head a bit was this bracket had three Ivy teams making the field and only Richmond from the A-10.

Current NET for A-10: Richmond 30, Mason 41, St Joe's 49.

Current NET for Ivy: Harvard 38, Columbia 43, Princeton 45.

If bids were going out today, it's hard to understand three from the Ivy and only one from the A-10.
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It's funny i included some comments in the comment I just posted above re: St Joes and GMU ... but i deleted them because they were a bit off topic. They very clearly should both be in at this point IMO. I agree with you and all of your observations completely.
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NCAA Tournament "at large" candidate University of Richmond Women

V
Section 204and5 said:
Vegas - perhaps both deserve to be on the list. I think you could make a legitimate argument for either player to be on the list. There are lots of publications that do mid-season "awards" and if I was writing such an article I'd select Doogan as A-10 POY and Ullstrom First Team. I also think Sweeney on Third Team is perfectly reasonable.
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Thanks for the stats in the other thread... and you're absolutely right. They've both been tremendous.

I think your recommendations look spot on. I wasn't trying to under sell Rachel's contribution. Maggie is just so special in terms of her level of skill at her position... I don't like when she gets overlooked :).

Fingers crossed that Katie's ankle heals quickly.... and she doesn't miss too much time. If anyone has any news? Thanks in advance.
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Section 204and5
Saw a bracket prediction yesterday that was a week or so old. Had us as a 7 seed against Oregon at 10.

What made me scratch my head a bit was this bracket had three Ivy teams making the field and only Richmond from the A-10.

Current NET for A-10: Richmond 30, Mason 41, St Joe's 49.

Current NET for Ivy: Harvard 38, Columbia 43, Princeton 45.

If bids were going out today, it's hard to understand three from the Ivy and only one from the A-10.
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Vegas - perhaps both deserve to be on the list. I think you could make a legitimate argument for either player to be on the list. There are lots of publications that do mid-season "awards" and if I was writing such an article I'd select Doogan as A-10 POY and Ullstrom First Team. I also think Sweeney on Third Team is perfectly reasonable.
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The Trump Administration

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The conviction will be overturned. You know this.

Cuomo said the case would have never been brought were not the Defendant's last name Trump. You know this too.

This was the flimsiest case of all the lawfare nonsense which contributed to the Dems November defeat. Most citizens saw it for what it was, legal harassment for hoped political gain. Backfired. Big time. Hatred blinding reason.

Insurrection is a loaded term which scarcely describes the events of Jan 6. You know this too.
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The Trump Administration

urfan1
KE Spider said:
Pleeeze. Condemn both. Juvenile on both counts. Belittles the Office of the Presidency regardless of which party occupies it.

Governance is all about policy, not name calling which is ridiculous, unseemly, divisive, and totally unnecessary.

My posts have dropped bc there is little hope of serious policy discussions here. It is all jibes.
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Belittles the Office of the Presidency regardless of which party occupies it.

Having it occupied by a convicted felon and one who incited an insurrection honors the office?
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