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Could Mooney eventually go the way of Tony Bennett/Jay Wright?

In case anyone has a few minutes and wants to respond: Here is what may be a scenario in two months:
1 - Will Mike Young retire from Virginia Tech, like Tony Bennett did, and
2 - Will Virginia fire its Athletic Director and its basketball coach, and
3 - Will both schools be knocking down the door of Ryan Odom at VCU?

Just curious. Please excuse my departure from Spiders basketball.
Think uva goes after odom

It could be worse if we didn't have the new Practice Facility!

7-17 Overall -.378 overall winning %- LAST IN THE LEAGUE ON BOTH MEASUREMENTS

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14th A10 D-I | 7-15
  • Field Goal %
    345th
    40.7 FG%
  • 3-point %
    340th
    29.9 3P%
  • Points Scored
    333rd
    1480 Pts
  • Total Rebounds
    307th
    29.8 RPG
This embarrassing and a definite fact that supports our record.
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I miss 4700

Btw, I used to be you. For a long time I rationalized that “this year is our year”. Herein is the problem. We keep waiting and seeing. It’s a fine strategy when you either A) have a small sample size or B) have high confidence the trend is headed in the right direction.
Yep. I want to give moon benefit of the doubt but the history and inability to adapt until he is two steps behind prevails. Last year I don't count a huge win. Failed in OOC. Failed in A10 tournament. Huge let down against Mason.

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The vcu game would have been a perfect opportunity to try something completely new. vcu knew exactly what we were going to do because it's what we always do, only now we have less-talented players. A good coach, or even one with a pulse, would have mixed things up to see how the element of surprise might work. Run Walz, Beagle and Soulis in there together with GW and Tyne. Crash hard for offensive rebounds. Get some of those lanky vcu forwards in foul trouble. Etc. Worst case: We lose by 41.
Rebounds? Mooney? Surely you jest.

I miss 4700

VCU and Dayton have clearly been much better than us. and that sucks. SLU has been better by 1 bid. nobody else still in the A10 has done better. just stating facts.

I want to go every year too. but reading this board would lead one to believe we've been one of the worst teams in the league for the last 20 years. we haven't been. but we are this year.
But we've underperformed most years

Could Mooney eventually go the way of Tony Bennett/Jay Wright?

In case anyone has a few minutes and wants to respond: Here is what may be a scenario in two months:
1 - Will Mike Young retire from Virginia Tech, like Tony Bennett did, and
2 - Will Virginia fire its Athletic Director and its basketball coach, and
3 - Will both schools be knocking down the door of Ryan Odom at VCU?

Just curious. Please excuse my departure from Spiders basketball.

Mens - @ VCU - Sat 2/1 4pm CBSSN

And... as a very relevant aside.... again, we were 20 point underdogs. It very specifically means that 50% of the time (assuming an efficient market and accurate line) we were gonna lose this game by 20+ points. If you're trying to win the game and not just lose by 16 sometimes and 24 some other times (or 41 on occasion).... you have to do something very drastically different to try to win. Running the same stuff in the same way and approaching the game the same way isn't going to produce a result that far outside of the statistical norm.... which is mostly all double digit losses.

Listen, I understand that sometimes you're just gonna lose... and in the bigger picture scheme it may not be smart or even reasonably feasible to just blow it all up for one game.... but I don't think anyone is suggesting something that drastic. They literally just showed up and went through the motions. The result was fairly inevitable statistically. There was no force of will or playing harder that would've changed that. There needed to be some implementation of SOMETHING different. Did anyone see one thing that they can point to that felt like we were trying to not just "run our stuff" and make some shots?

Mens - @ VCU - Sat 2/1 4pm CBSSN

“You have to look back say, ‘Hey, these are the things that could have impacted it so that instead of it being 12-3, maybe it was 7-6,' and then you’re battling a little bit and you’re playing, and maybe those shots for them don’t feel quite as free and easy,” Mooney said.
This is precisely correct. I agree with him completely.

So, for the third time in this thread .... i'd like to ask... when it was 12-3 what plan did they have in place and subsequently implement so that it was 17-12 instead of 24-6? The guys should've played harder? Made more shots?

Are all changes implemented inter-game and none implemented intra-game? And if so, fair enough. What changes were made going INTO the VCU game? Any?

Can anyone name any strategic changes that they've seen (not rotation changes) that have either been implemented on offense or defense within the last four or five games, let's say? I'm asking one more time because perhaps something has happened that I'm not educated enough from a basketball standpoint to observe... and I'd love to know.
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Mens - Duq @ RC - Wed 2/5 7pm ESPN+

while a bit dorky, insane that we will be lucky to have 100 students at the game tomorrow night and this is going on in Williamsburg

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This makes me ill.

I'm not sure why I have such a visceral reaction to all things positive re: William & Mary basketball, but perhaps it's because I went to plenty of basketball games in Williamsburg during my four years at Richmond.... and none of them had more than 100 total people present (and that's being generous).

Good for them. I don't begrudge them at all. It's just that when you wanted to contrast the total amount of interest in your program... and feel good about it on some level.. you could always rely on what it looked like in that high school gym of an arena with twenty people in it (none of which was 65 or under) to make yourself feel better.

I miss 4700

If u look at this "5 year" view (& ignoring 15 years of more history) here is Moon's predicted finish in A10 vs. actual finish.

2020-21: 1 -> 8
2021-22: 2 -> 6
2022-23: 7 -> 12
2023-24: 11 -> 1
2024-25: 7 -> 13-15?

he's consistently underperformed 4 of 5 years. But a fairly considerable margin. Yes, the 2022 tourney run and Iowa win supersedes 2022 reg season. No question Bob. But we all know his A10 tourney historical performance is very bad, that can be viewed as anomaly unlikely to be repeated. It counts & I count. I was at the Iowa game. Loved it. Overall that was a great season. But it's all why I discount last year certainly some. We absolutely flopped at end of season in all 3 phases, reg season, A10 and NIT. But if you look at pure A10 reg season results it's really not good and some still have us in the "good" era of Mooney. Btw if u go back 15 more years that same chart above is still bad.
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