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as our current president, obama, told a recent college graduating class, it is not hard work, it is luck. WOW!! what a great message for young people. some folks just don't get our country, our culture.
What he actually said was this:

"We can’t just lock up a low-level dealer without asking why this boy, barely out of childhood, felt he had no other options. We have cousins and uncles and brothers and sisters who we remember were just as smart and just as talented as we were, but somehow got ground down by structures that are unfair and unjust. And that means we have to not only question the world as it is, and stand up for those African Americans who haven’t been so lucky -- because, yes, you've worked hard, but you've also been lucky. That's a pet peeve of mine: People who have been successful and don’t realize they've been lucky. That God may have blessed them."
 
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that is the point, outcomes cannot be guaranteed and not everyone will be successful no matter their status. what our country should provide is the environment for everyone to have an opportunity and what one does with that opportunity is the key. would suggest that all people who are successful, no matter their status or color or religion, are not lucky, some, maybe. should have said we are all lucky to have been born or raised in this country which allows us, with hard work, to become successful. he and pocohontas always are pushing the "luck" and that is sad.
 
I like the expression that luck is what happens when hard work meets opportunity. Depending how you define luck, most of us have had it. You may have been eminently qualified for your dream job, but if that other guy hadn't just retired and opened a spot, it wouldn't have mattered how qualified you were. I suspect that's what he was saying, not that you should just rely on nothing but luck. That would stupid, obviously.
 
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Web, don't have much time now and could expound on this later. But an example might be when I looked up what a recent UR gaduate in biology was doing 3 years after graduation. He had worked with a friend of mine at UR as an undergrad. Turns out after leaving UR he began graduate school at Harvard under the guidance of a professor who was in the National Academy. It was impressive to me as a scientist that the former UR student had recently published his first senior author paper in the "Nature", one of the most prestigious journals in science. The quality and success of our recent graduates is impressive. The same could also be said about those who came along in my era. My brother also a UR grad was a distinguished professor at an ACC school, a franternity brother was a long time ago deemed by public radio and TV as the most knowledgeable of Wall Street, and even the old Ulla recently received an outstanding alumnus award from an ACC school. The professors at UR when I was in school there and those I know personally now are dedicated to quality teaching, and more and more in good research. Don't sell UR short. It is much more than many can imagine. OSC
 
What he actually said was this:

"... and stand up for those African Americans who haven’t been so lucky ..."
in my opinion he should just say Americans. of the 46 million families living below the poverty level in 2013, 10 million were African American. there are 36 million other unlucky families out there.
 
Ulla, while I loved my time at UR I don't think UR had a huge impact on where I am today. meaning if I went to my 2nd or 3rd or 8th choice, I believe I'd be the same person I am today. I believe that's true for most people. biggest difference would be different doors may have opened. don't know if better or worse doors, but different.
 
in my opinion he should just say Americans. of the 46 million families living below the poverty level in 2013, 10 million were African American. there are 36 million other unlucky families out there.
Agree, but I should have clarified that he was giving the speech to the graduating class at Howard University, a HBCU.
 
Web, don't have much time now and could expound on this later. But an example might be when I looked up what a recent UR gaduate in biology was doing 3 years after graduation. He had worked with a friend of mine at UR as an undergrad. Turns out after leaving UR he began graduate school at Harvard under the guidance of a professor who was in the National Academy. It was impressive to me as a scientist that the former UR student had recently published his first senior author paper in the "Nature", one of the most prestigious journals in science. The quality and success of our recent graduates is impressive. The same could also be said about those who came along in my era. My brother also a UR grad was a distinguished professor at an ACC school, a franternity brother was a long time ago deemed by public radio and TV as the most knowledgeable of Wall Street, and even the old Ulla recently received an outstanding alumnus award from an ACC school. The professors at UR when I was in school there and those I know personally now are dedicated to quality teaching, and more and more in good research. Don't sell UR short. It is much more than many can imagine. OSC
Was your brother Thomas Dickens at Clemson?
 
my interpretation, he dislikes, gets peeved, when successful people think they earned it and don't realize, they were just lucky. only know a few really wealthy, successful people and know they earned it and did it the right way. did they have some luck, yes, probably some good, some bad. just the wrong thing to say in my opinion.
 
There are three main purposes which higher education holds in todays society, surprisingly different people value different aspects differently.

Right of Passage
College is a big party. It is a transition from childhood to adulthood. It is a taste of freedom, and perhaps of responsibility as well. Having fun is a big part of college, growing as a person is a big part of college, figuring out what you want to do and who you want to be is a big part of college.

Education
Some people go to college to learn. The classes and programs offered, the professor's mastery of the material being taught, the resources/equipment available, and the ability of the professor to effectively communicate the material all factor into the quality of education received. Liberal arts colleges such as Richmond have a huge advantage over large research institutions in this regard. At liberal arts colleges the primary duty of every professor is to teach undergraduates, and their evaluation is based heavily on this criteria. The quality of the professors in terms of teaching ability tends to be very high at liberal arts colleges. At research institutions the primary duty of professors is to bring in grant money, teaching is inconsequential. The quality of professors at large research institutions is very hit or miss, and while the professors are very intelligent they are often not good teachers or simply don't care enough to teach well. Class size plays a big role in a professor's ability to communicate material effectively. In small classes a professor can adjust the material, pace and teaching strategy to individual students which is impossible in the large lectures common at big state schools.

Networking
"It's not what you know, it's who you know." Making friends is a huge part of the college experience, and if a lot of your friends from college go on to be successful or come from successful families they can help you out. If a lot of alumni have been successful, they can help you out. Getting a job is the next step after college, and the quality of your job has a huge impact on your life. Making connections is a very important.

So how does Richmond compare to the Ivies in these three aspects? As a right of passage, I could not have imagined a better experience than the one I had at Richmond. I am sure that many people feel this way about the college they attended, almost every school is excellent in this regard.

In terms of education, the quality of the education itself sees very little drop off until you get to ~50th liberal arts college. There is a glut of extremely intelligent and capable PhDs out there and very few professorships available. In terms of the raw potential to educate yourself and the resources available (in terms of programs, professors, classes etc) there is not much of a difference between top 50 liberal arts colleges.

Networking is where the main value in an ivy league education lies. You are going to school with people from the wealthiest most well connected families in the world, you are going to the same school as tons of people who hold high power positions in companies across the world. The amount of money and power concentrated in the student bodies and alumni of these schools is immense, and Richmond certainly does not compare (though we are really not doing too bad ourselves.)
Thanks for posting this Fan...rightly, or wrongly, UR was a "right of passage" experience for me...if I had it to do all over again I'd probably try to pay more attention to the academic part of the experience...that being said I wouldn't trade my four years at UR for anything!

many of the older alumni, including myself have said the University has left them behind, I agree...I don't feel like I have much in common with today's students, professors or leaders of the University...but I have not lost my appreciation of what the University did for me and my ancestors....

I do believe the University should not forget where it came from...it seems to me a few more "right of passage" students, or Spiders legacy students, would make UR a more well rounded institution and healthier in the long run...

we might also have more students at football and basketball games!

Go Spiders!
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While FRS's conspiracy theories and dramatic drop in Virginians from 1986 to 2016 are completely delusional.

I would not be surprised at a dramatic drop in both Richmonders & Virginians from 1966 to 1986. But I would also not be surprised if that was true for most colleges, particularly private ones, during that period. (Less local students by percentage everywhere)

If you compare our student body with the school in our conference similar to ours, Davidson, the in state student body is about the same (20%). I'm sure their mission changed similarly to UR's did around the same time.

If you look at UR's facts and rankings, it says that most students who applied to UR also applied to Wake, W&M, Georgetown, BC, and UVA most often. Those are all larger Research Universities, so I'm not sure we compare to those (maybe Wake, but that's about it). Funny thing is that the other liberal arts schools in the state (H-SC, R-MC, etc.) mostly draw about 75% of their students in state.

Would Davidson let Bernard in as a grad transfer if all things were equal? That's hard to say.
 
"Would Davidson let Bernard in as a grad transfer if all things were equal? That's hard to say."

He did not meet UR's admission requirements. So, if "all things were equal," he would not have met Davidson's admission requirements either. So he would not have been admitted.

This player did not meet UR's admission requirements. As such, he shouldn't be admitted. Pretty much cut and dried, to me.
 
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There's one good reason why Davidson wouldn't let him in as a grad transfer...they don't have any grad programs.
 
Here is general question, prompted by the recent situation but not based on any knowledge of the recent situation.

Can you get a bachelors degree from a division I institution without a major? Basically enough credits but not concentrated in any one area? And how would you proceed towards a graduate degree if that was the case?
 
There's one good reason why Davidson wouldn't let him in as a grad transfer...they don't have any grad programs.
So you are saying Davidson wouldn't have let Leland Melvin in as a grad transfer? ;)
 
Here is general question, prompted by the recent situation but not based on any knowledge of the recent situation.

Can you get a bachelors degree from a division I institution without a major? Basically enough credits but not concentrated in any one area? And how would you proceed towards a graduate degree if that was the case?
Mite, good question. Not too familiar with it, but have seen some athletes as majoring in "General Studies". This might be what you are getting at. OSC
 
Mite, good question. Not too familiar with it, but have seen some athletes as majoring in "General Studies". This might be what you are getting at. OSC
Right, there is a Bachelor of Science, General Studies (BS GS), and seems to fit in with the concept of Liberal Arts.
But is there a Master's? And does UR offer it?
 
Related question: what are the options for a prospective grad student/athlete at UR? And can one take courses at the SCS, as a grad athlete? I don't think a grad student has to be on a degree path, am I correct?
 
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