Why Starters will not transfer after next year if Mooney stays

[MrTbone]

Top 4 A-10 with 20+ wins?

I think most fans (at least this type here) don’t care about top4 or 20+. It’s ncaa or not.

Not saying that’s reasonable, it’s just reality after such a long absence.

I’d be ok with those results personally, but I wouldn’t extend CMs contract off that if it were my choice. I’m also not the AD.

 

[Eight Legger]

When someone jumps on every single thread, regardless of thread topic, and criticizes not only our coach, but our players, our AD, and our program, that is not being only anti Mooney. That is being anti program.

If I make you a turd sandwich every day for lunch and you complain that there are no other options, does that mean that you are being critical of lunch? Or just the way I prepare it?

 

[VT4700]

I think most fans (at least this type here) don’t care about top4 or 20+. It’s ncaa or not.

Not saying that’s reasonable, it’s just reality after such a long absence.

I’d be ok with those results personally, but I wouldn’t extend CMs contract off that if it were my choice. I’m also not the AD.

Well, of course, several posters on here don't care about top 4 and 20 win seasons, but if I am in the minority on this board, I feel pretty good about my opinion. My guess is most seasons ticket holders and die hard fans would call a top 4 finish and a 20 win season in a 14 team league a very good season.

 

[MrTbone]

Well, of course, several posters on here don't care about top 4 and 20 win seasons, but if I am in the minority on this board, I feel pretty good about my opinion. My guess is most seasons ticket holders and die hard fans would call a top 4 finish and a 20 win season in a 14 team league a very good season.

I’m a season ticket holder and a die hard fan and that’s something I’d be fine with if it came amongst some other 20 win seasons attached to an ncaa berth but without that it’s not good enough for me. It’s been too long since that happened so personally my patience has worn out on the CM experiment.

I don’t know if you’re a minority in this board, anecdotally it seems that you probably are. Are you a season ticket holder? If so, we can tally one vote for your theory and one vote for mine.

 

[UR80sfan]

I’m a season ticket holder and a die hard fan and that’s something I’d be fine with if it came amongst some other 20 win seasons attached to an ncaa berth but without that it’s not good enough for me. It’s been too long since that happened so personally my patience has worn out on the CM experiment.

I don’t know if you’re a minority in this board, anecdotally it seems that you probably are. Are you a season ticket holder? If so, we can tally one vote for your theory and one vote for mine.

It is obviously ok for people to express their views, but this board does not represents the average Spider fan. It is dominated by a small number of negative militant fans, many of which are not season ticket holders.

 

[urfan1]

It is obviously ok for people to express their views, but this board does not represents the average Spider fan. It is dominated by a small number of negative militant fans, many of which are not season ticket holders.

Is that your impression or do you have data to back that statement up?

 

[Eight Legger]

It is obviously ok for people to express their views, but this board does not represents the average Spider fan. It is dominated by a small number of negative militant fans, many of which are not season ticket holders.

You might be right. The average Spider fan might not care at all about whether the teams win or lose. That's sad if true but it honestly wouldn't shock me.

 

[ChoppinBroccoli]

many of which are not season ticket holders.

What does that have to do with anything?

 

[UR80sfan]

What does that have to do with anything?

"I don’t know if you’re a minority in this board, anecdotally it seems that you probably are. Are you a season ticket holder? If so, we can tally one vote for your theory and one vote for mine."

 

[VT4700]

I’m a season ticket holder and a die hard fan and that’s something I’d be fine with if it came amongst some other 20 win seasons attached to an ncaa berth but without that it’s not good enough for me. It’s been too long since that happened so personally my patience has worn out on the CM experiment.

I don’t know if you’re a minority in this board, anecdotally it seems that you probably are. Are you a season ticket holder? If so, we can tally one vote for your theory and one vote for mine.

I hear you, and I understand your frustration. I agree it is time to for this program to dance. We are just looking at things differently. You are looking at the past 8 seasons and saying it should be now. I can respect that. I am looking more at this year by itself and saying a top 4 finish and a 20 win season would be a good one. But, yes, I want and expect us to dance, preferably both this year and next, but at least once the next 2 years. So, if it has to be top 4, 20 wins, and NIT this year followed by the dance next year, I am okay with that.

 

[VT4700]

Is that your impression or do you have data to back that statement up?

If you are talking about season ticket holders, many on here have made it clear they will not get season tickets until our coach is gone. And, no question, this board is dominated by a small number of negative fans who hijack every thread in a negative way. So, it looks to me like he has a lot of data to back up what he said.

 

[Captain Anderson]

I hear you, and I understand your frustration. I agree it is time to for this program to dance. We are just looking at things differently. You are looking at the past 8 seasons and saying it should be now. I can respect that. I am looking more at this year by itself and saying a top 4 finish and a 20 win season would be a good one. But, yes, I want and expect us to dance, preferably both this year and next, but at least once the next 2 years. So, if it has to be top 4, 20 wins, and NIT this year followed by the dance next year, I am okay with that.

VT, I completely understand your thought process of 2020-2021 being "THE" season to go dancing because all the veteran guys we will have. I think this is also the narrative that the athletic department and Mooney (in a vague fashion) have been pushing in order to quell the negative feelings that have arisen within the fanbase. My concern is that we put all our eggs in the 2020-2021 season, have a one and done in the NCAA's, and then are not back for another 5 years plus...and that's making the big assumption that we even make the tournament in a year or two. I just don't see Mooney and his system giving us a consistent shot at tournament berths and I think 15 years of data back that up. For the record, I''m an alum, former spider athlete, and will bleed red and blue until the day I die. I don't have any statistical data to state that my view is in the majority or minority of our fanbase but I can tell you almost every other spider fan I talk to is beyond frustrated and won't be satisfied with just NIT berths or 20 win seasons at this point. They want results not vague promises or constantly changing goals at this point.

 

[ChoppinBroccoli]

I don't equate STH with die-hard fans; just my opinion.

 

[GKiller]

But, yes, I want and expect us to dance, preferably both this year and next, but at least once the next 2 years. So, if it has to be top 4, 20 wins, and NIT this year followed by the dance next year, I am okay with that.

1 NIT and 1 NCAA will not be the best class ever

 

[VT4700]

1 NIT and 1 NCAA will not be the best class ever

Why wouldn't it be? It is all opinion. What other 5 starters would have done that back to back? My goodness, it was a simple comment made that many would agree with. If you disagree, fine, but that does not make the comment wrong if we go NIT, NCAA the next 2 years.

 

[97spiderfan]

Why wouldn't it be? It is all opinion. What other 5 starters would have done that back to back? My goodness, it was a simple comment made that many would agree with. If you disagree, fine, but that does not make the comment wrong if we go NIT, NCAA the next 2 years.

Well, because the Harper, Geriot, Anderson class went to back to back NCAA's and finished ranked Top 25 each year, with a Sweet 16 appearance. That is not an opinion, that is a fact.

Thus far they have delivered 25 wins in 2 years, so they had better be a heck of a lot better these last 2 years for them to be considered the "best class ever".

 

[spiderman]

1 NIT and 1 NCAA will not be the best class ever

this class hasn't even played together yet.

I know everything here has to be about Mooney and nothing he does at this point will be good enough, but it's not fair to these kids.
for this upcoming team it shouldn't be NCAA or bust. they should be given every chance and supported. they shouldn't carry the burden for prior teams not dancing in 8 years. their time is now.

of course I want to see us in the tournament, but a fun season for me is still being alive and in the discussion at the end. a top 4 finish would be a heck of a fun season. I'm looking forward to it.

 

[GKiller]

Well, because the Harper, Geriot, Anderson class went to back to back NCAA's and finished ranked Top 25 each year, with a Sweet 16 appearance. That is not an opinion, that is a fact.

Thus far they have delivered 25 wins in 2 years, so they had better be a heck of a lot better these last 2 years for them to be considered the "best class ever".

Add Smitty in that class too. Best class ever at Richmond would be 1 NIT and 1 NCAA? Sure that's an opinion...a terrible one. I guess we're going to the Elite 8 or Final 4 in the NCAA year.

 

[GKiller]

this class hasn't even played together yet.

I know everything here has to be about Mooney and nothing he does at this point will be good enough, but it's not fair to these kids.
for this upcoming team it shouldn't be NCAA or bust. they should be given every chance and supported. they shouldn't carry the burden for prior teams not dancing in 8 years. their time is now.

of course I want to see us in the tournament, but a fun season for me is still being alive and in the discussion at the end. a top 4 finish would be a heck of a fun season. I'm looking forward to it.

Teams carry burden of previous years all the time (See Capitals NHL) and carry expectations. Fair or not that's high level sports I don't know what to tell you there. It's primarily Mooney burden anyway, the players are supported well especially for a small school with 8 year ncaa drought. Looking fwd to season too, it's one of the few lately we should have high expectations. Heck if I can't expect it now then when? NCAA or bust. The players will still be welcomed back btw regardless. But the coach...

 

[spider23]

I'm going to be expecting NCAA's next two seasons in a row - or it is Mooney's fault.

 

[97spiderfan]

Add Smitty in that class too. Best class ever at Richmond would be 1 NIT and 1 NCAA? Sure that's an opinion...a terrible one. I guess we're going to the Elite 8 or Final 4 in the NCAA year.

Yes, sorry I forgot one of my all time favorite Spiders, dunk and eat cookies, Kevin Smith.

 

[spiderman]

I'm going to be expecting NCAA's next two seasons in a row - or it is Mooney's fault.

but the fact that you're expecting it would appear to be giving enormous credit to Mooney and his recruiting. that can't be your intent!

 

[spider23]

but the fact that you're expecting it would appear to be giving enormous credit to Mooney and his recruiting. that can't be your intent!

Hahaha, OK you got me. Not really though. If we make the NCAA's this year, I will give Mooney's recruiting some retrospective love, because that will mean Sal panned out in a big way - and if that is the case maybe we did not need that 6'9 grad transfer I am wishing for.

 

[MrTbone]

this class hasn't even played together yet.

I know everything here has to be about Mooney and nothing he does at this point will be good enough, but it's not fair to these kids.
for this upcoming team it shouldn't be NCAA or bust. they should be given every chance and supported. they shouldn't carry the burden for prior teams not dancing in 8 years. their time is now.

of course I want to see us in the tournament, but a fun season for me is still being alive and in the discussion at the end. a top 4 finish would be a heck of a fun season. I'm looking forward to it.

I agree with your sentiment but I don’t think most are holding the players to the same standard as CM.

As to your last point, I would normally consider that scenario to be perfectly acceptable. I may end up finding it to be ok this year as well, I haven’t really decided. But I also think at some point you have to decide that “next year” may not likely come with this coach and/or his style of play.

 

[MrTbone]

It is obviously ok for people to express their views, but this board does not represents the average Spider fan. It is dominated by a small number of negative militant fans, many of which are not season ticket holders.

I think there are a variety of errors in this statement. I would agree that it doesn’t represent the average fan. From what I can tell, the average Spider b-ball fan pretty much could give a turd whether or not we win. So we’ve cultivated a milquetoast fan base, I’m not sure that’s what we should aspire to.

As to your latter point, how did you arrive at that conclusion?

 

[wr70beh]

If you are talking about season ticket holders, many on here have made it clear they will not get season tickets until our coach is gone. And, no question, this board is dominated by a small number of negative fans who hijack every thread in a negative way. So, it looks to me like he has a lot of data to back up what he said.

After the way we've been treated by the Athletic Department after this past season we're supposed to fork over good money for season tickets? Um sorry, but they need to be held accountable for the lousy job they're doing. The way the rank and file fan can do that is to withhold buying tickets for a period of time until change has been made. That's what I'm doing (after having season Tix for 10 years), and that's what a lot of folks are doing. We're tired of Spider Pravda spewing out articles saying everything is fine when it isn't. We're tired of one rich man wielding so much power over an athletic department, and chasing off other rich folks who gave so much over the years. There's more, but I haven't had my caffeine yet.

 

[nathanw19]

I want us in the NCAA’s the next two seasons

I need more fight from us the next two seasons. Better defense, not fading in the last 4-8 minutes of a game, maybe a rebound or 15?!?!

I’m excited to see what this group can do together, but they’re not #bestclassever until they prove they can grind out wins and close out games.

 

[coach fezz]

It is obviously ok for people to express their views, but this board does not represents the average Spider fan. It is dominated by a small number of negative militant fans, many of which are not season ticket holders.

this is what a challenge for real militant sees during Velvet Revolution

 

[VT4700]

After the way we've been treated by the Athletic Department after this past season we're supposed to fork over good money for season tickets? Um sorry, but they need to be held accountable for the lousy job they're doing. The way the rank and file fan can do that is to withhold buying tickets for a period of time until change has been made. That's what I'm doing (after having season Tix for 10 years), and that's what a lot of folks are doing. We're tired of Spider Pravda spewing out articles saying everything is fine when it isn't. We're tired of one rich man wielding so much power over an athletic department, and chasing off other rich folks who gave so much over the years. There's more, but I haven't had my caffeine yet.

I have no issues with you or anyone if you stop buying season tickets. That is your money and your choice. This post of yours actually backs up my post, which was agreeing with the poster that said this board is dominated by negative posters who do not have season tickets.

 

[VT4700]

I think there are a variety of errors in this statement. I would agree that it doesn’t represent the average fan. From what I can tell, the average Spider b-ball fan pretty much could give a turd whether or not we win. So we’ve cultivated a milquetoast fan base, I’m not sure that’s what we should aspire to.

As to your latter point, how did you arrive at that conclusion?

How did he arrive at it? Because most of the negative ones on here have come out and said they are not renewing season tickets. He is not just guessing. He is making the point based on what people on here have actually said.

 

[ChoppinBroccoli]

Why are you answering for him?
"This board does not represents [sic] the average Spider fan?"
What is a "negative militant fan?"

 

[VT4700]

Why are you answering for him?
"This board does not represents [sic] the average Spider fan?"
What is a "negative militant fan?"

A fan who gets aggressively angry if someone disagrees with their thoughts?

 

[97spiderfan]

A fan who gets aggressively angry if someone disagrees with their thoughts?

Pot meet kettle.

 

[MrTbone]

How did he arrive at it? Because most of the negative ones on here have come out and said they are not renewing season tickets. He is not just guessing. He is making the point based on what people on here have actually said.

So you’re getting hung up on the past versus the future. His comment was clearly meant to suggest that the negative nancies are not even season ticket holders, which I think is factually inaccurate. Some like keefusb have stopped being sth but more like moliva remain sth. Have some folks intimated they will stop renewing, of course. But suggesting that their voices don’t matter going forward is patently dumb. If anything, we should all care more about why we are losing these sth. You don’t need to be held hostage to that group but you sure as hell better acknowledge their gripes and try to address them unless you want more erosion in your fan base.

Are you a season ticket holder? Does it make your opinion any more or less valuable if you’re an enthusiastic fan?

 

[97spiderfan]

Are you a season ticket holder? Does it make your opinion any more or less valuable if you’re an enthusiastic fan?

Great question. Is VT4700 a season ticket holder? He likes to bang on other season ticket holders and I doubt this dude is one himself.

 

[VT4700]

So you’re getting hung up on the past versus the future. His comment was clearly meant to suggest that the negative nancies are not even season ticket holders, which I think is factually inaccurate. Some like keefusb have stopped being sth but more like moliva remain sth. Have some folks intimated they will stop renewing, of course. But suggesting that their voices don’t matter going forward is patently dumb. If anything, we should all care more about why we are losing these sth. You don’t need to be held hostage to that group but you sure as hell better acknowledge their gripes and try to address them unless you want more erosion in your fan base.

Are you a season ticket holder? Does it make your opinion any more or less valuable if you’re an enthusiastic fan?

I hear you. I guess I am interpreting differently what UR80 said. I have no problem with how he worded it, and I do think it's fair to say that the non-stop negative about everything talk on here does not represent how most Spider fans feel. Sure, we might have plenty of disappointed fans out there, but very few are like the ones on here who just get angry at everything. I will wait and let UR80 explain if he wants to further before I say any more about it.

 

[97spiderfan]

Are VT and UR80 the same person???

 

[spider fan]

Why are you answering for him?
"This board does not represents [sic] the average Spider fan?"
What is a "negative militant fan?"

Dr. Guthrie taught me well in freshman English - a "negative militant fan" would be a person who is a fan but who is against militancy, ergo that person would not utilize violent or confrontational methods in order to advance their point of view. When one adjective is placed prior to another the first adjective applies to the second adjective. If the intention is to use both adjectives to describe the noun there would be a conjunction between the two adjectives, as in "negative and militant fan." Hope that helps......................?

 

[Eight Legger]

Not sure that I don't get what you mean by that, but I don't doubt that it isn't not accurate, to say the least.

 

[spider fan]

Yes - definitely "getting into the weeds" ................which was characteristic of Dr. Guthrie ...................and made his class "fun" because one never knew what he would say next .................including when two amorous dogs wandered through the open door and Dr. Guthrie boomed out "get those love children out of here".................