It’s definitely ok to be excited as long as you’re prepared to be disappointed. I also think it’s more than acceptable to not be excited when there are more recent examples of disappointment than success.
Why Starters will not transfer after next year if Mooney stays
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Mooney had a team of TJ Cline, Kendall Anthony, ShawnDre Jones, Alonzo Nelson-Ododaand Terry Allen. It did not make the NCAA tournament. Are we really supposed to believe that all of a sudden next year he's going to take a relatively similar group anywhere?
I'm done expecting anything other than what we've gotten the last eight years with him.
I'm done expecting anything other than what we've gotten the last eight years with him.
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Oh, got it. Thanks mite. Maybe I should go check out one of these cool looking TV shows.
Exactly. If you have been following this program the last decade how can you possibly assume that Mooney is going to get it right this go round when all evidence points to the contrary? Even if we somehow make the NCAA"s in two years and then go several years again without going it won't be worth the time and $ we have invested in Mooney. This really isn't that difficult a decision and those who want a change are not "bad" fans, traitors, etc. We just want to see our basketball program reach its potential and not settle for an average coach with below average game management skills.
Was listening to a podcast the other day and they were talking about the incredible success of Belichick. One of his top tenets is "I'd rather cut a guy a year too soon than a year too late."
Obviously football players <> basketball coaches, but the overarching philosophy of not holding on to a guy because "next year he might do well" rings true. If he's already trending in the wrong direction, you've waited too long.
Similar to the business maxim "Hire slowly; fire quickly."
Obviously football players <> basketball coaches, but the overarching philosophy of not holding on to a guy because "next year he might do well" rings true. If he's already trending in the wrong direction, you've waited too long.
Similar to the business maxim "Hire slowly; fire quickly."
I think this is should be the most feared scenario. There has already been a large investment in coaching and there still is a potential to further said investment. What I hear on the forum is a desire to change the basketball culture and an administration that may be OK with the existing culture.
It seems to me that the drive that was present to “upgrade” to the A10 from the CAA has been lost and now UR is back to the previous level, where the NCAA chance is limited to “win and you are in”. In other words, the goal is to get the pieces together every once in awhile versus having a consistent NCAA tournament level team. I really do think the St Bonny blog post hit it on the head - it has been a major letdown.
I really think some of the recruiting drop off for Richmond and the league as a whole has to do with the loss of the Marquis names of the old A-10. Losing Temple and Xavier diminished a lot of the “street cred” the conference once had. VCU and GMU were decent replacements, but nowhere near as good.
Leon Lett starting celebrating before the end zone. Let’s get through the window first.
So reasonable question...isn’t that to be expected? They all said they had his back during the season, between that and a general expectation that you retain your best guys every year, I’ll give him a “Satisfactory”.
Actually, Mooney's top public supporter, Keith Oddo, already announced that he is transferring. Guess you missed that one.
Exactly. So win does actual performance on the court start to mean something? I’m not “bashing” our current players but our record over the last few years has been bad, really bad and not against a tough schedule. Why are we so scared of making a coaching change? It’s like all the athletic department cares about is making it to 2020 and hoping that Mooney makes the tournament. Well, he better be back filling this group with new recruits now otherwise we will be looking at another long tournament drought after these veterans move on. And that’s assuming that we even make the tournament in a year or two which is quite a leap of faith given our defensive and rebounding issues.
I can envision us making the tourney in two years. But you're right, the problem will be this - I don't have any faith that Mooney and staff will recruit a class to adequately replace the class of Gilyard, Golden, Cayo, Sherod and Francis in one year. Just my opinion but I think the most likely scenario would be an extended down period in the years following the 20/21 season.
Good point. Extend Mooney because..
"The future is bright." - March 2018.
"The future is bright." - March 2019.
You may be on to something here. This guy shows up out of the blue this year spouting all sunshine and rainbows and completely ignores the dark clouds over this program. Either it's a bored VCU troll or it's an athletic department plant.
I love Gilyard's twitter page. Seems confident about the team and his commitment to the program.
Jacob Gilyard
@G1LYARD
Richmond Basketball || Zero Doubts
Jacob Gilyard
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Richmond Basketball || Zero Doubts
The players may be confident, but the coaching staff (the master mind at the college level) leaves something to be desired. I wouldn't trust them to make a ham sandwich properly right now.
Yes, he was all super confident last Fall too and then we came out and lost to Longwood on opening night.
I see a || between Richmond Basketball and Zero Doubts. Is it a wall or something else? I have sent it to Twitter hq for proper analysis.
You might as well give him an A for breathing. Under your logic Mooney did a great job at that too since he is still alive
Yes, maybe you're "supposed to", but there are nearly 800 players who are transferring or have transferred since the start of this past season. I think it is very impressive to hold on to all of our main guys, and shows they believe in our coach, and believe we have some good things brewing.
You might as well give him an A for breathing. Under your logic Mooney did a great job at that too since he is still alive
With nearly 800 transfers since the start of this past season, this is not a good analogy.
Yeah, they'll be legendary while never playing an NCAA tournament game...I'm sure that'll make them feel good.
What a garbage comment. In addition to possibly making the tourney while here, what also will make them feel good is knowing they have a lot more class than people like you will ever have.
Yep. Crazy that a VCU guy said that on our board, and some of our so called fans probably see nothing wrong with that. And spare me the "but we are not good" comments. Georgia won 2 conference games last year. They have made 2 NCAA tourneys the past 10 years and did not win a game either time You think they would welcome GT fans making cheap shot comments like that about their players on their board?
If we were making the FBS Playoff in football, we probably wouldn't be so hung up about sucking in basketball, either.
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