VCU game thread: PT 0-0 and CM and team won the one that mattered last year

[MrTbone]

I’m still trying to understand our Roche plan. 10 minutes tonight? And when you’re down 15 with 4 to go is there some reason why you don’t want your best three point shooters on the floor?

Maybe he was injured and I don’t realize it. It certainly wasn’t because he didn’t fit in with our lockdown D lineups.

 

[8legs1dream]

I’m still trying to understand our Roche plan. 10 minutes tonight? And when you’re down 15 with 4 to go is there some reason why you don’t want your best three point shooters on the floor?

Maybe he was injured and I don’t realize it. It certainly wasn’t because he didn’t fit in with our lockdown D lineups.

He hit that one three pretty early on that was a beauty of a lightning fast laser beam that was nothing but bottom of the bucket and I thought maybe we were going to have the benefit of a fired up Roach for this game but alas, that was his only highlight.

 

[Section9.RowD]

He hit that one three pretty early on that was a beauty of a lightning fast laser beam that was nothing but bottom of the bucket and I thought maybe we were going to have the benefit of a fired up Roach for this game but alas, that was his only highlight.

yeah - lineups and minutes were odd again last night ... I will say I was happy PT went against our norm and put TB back in with 2 fouls around 9 min mark in fast half and left him in when he got his 4th foul but Tyler had to be so cautious on defense just the same.

 

[CarolinaSpider]

I don't understand what happened. The first few minutes we were playing great. Then we got to 17, a switch flipped, and, now, more of the same abysmal play we've seen so often.

We stopped cutting and moving and stayed around 3 pt line

 

[CarolinaSpider]

Been a long time since we have had a such a poor ball handling tandem of guards.
You attack VCU with quick passing and less dribbling. We may have good length
but they have great length. I think we stopped attacking lane when they got some easy
snow birds off quick outlet passes. I don’t know if this team playing their very best could
beat them.

 

[Spider B]

The on court performance of this program is unacceptable. Even Bob Black and Beck said VCU out-hustled us when I was listening to the game. We fail time and time again to bring aggressiveness and intensity to road games. Its hard to believe, but clearly UR administration is OK with the results. I know I'm not alone, but I have zero enthusiasm for UR basketball at this point. And I don't even blame CM anymore. This is a University wide issue. The school has really lost its way in a lot of areas, including athletics. Very sad.

 

[whampas]

The on court performance of this program is unacceptable. Even Bob Black and Beck said VCU out-hustled us when I was listening to the game. We fail time and time again to bring aggressiveness and intensity to road games. Its hard to believe, but clearly UR administration is OK with the results. I know I'm not alone, but I have zero enthusiasm for UR basketball at this point. And I don't even blame CM anymore. This is a University wide issue. The school has really lost its way in a lot of areas, including athletics. Very sad.

But it's all so difficult.

 

[whampas]

VCU 78 - UR 59

We kept it closer than I thought. Sad.

 

[Spiders4ever]

Saving up for the A 10 tournament.

Worked last year.

 

[ur2K]

We kept it closer than I thought. Sad.

It was never a close game after it was 17-17 early on, very comfortable win for the home team.

 

[ur2K]

As always, we're going to need exceptional guard play to beat these guys, hope Dji and Nelson are up for it.

narrator voice: They were not up for it

 

[Not-A-Homer]

On the plus side, the Spiders have developed an in-bounds play designed to get Roche a 3-point shot. I remember at least one 3-pointer made by Roche on that play in each of the last 2-games.

 

[GKiller]

I would say the good news is Mooney didn’t have to answer for another vcu debacle but he’s never had to.

 

[SpiderGuy]

The on court performance of this program is unacceptable. Even Bob Black and Beck said VCU out-hustled us when I was listening to the game. We fail time and time again to bring aggressiveness and intensity to road games. Its hard to believe, but clearly UR administration is OK with the results. I know I'm not alone, but I have zero enthusiasm for UR basketball at this point. And I don't even blame CM anymore. This is a University wide issue. The school has really lost its way in a lot of areas, including athletics. Very sad.

We just need a complete new system & philosophy to the game - offense, defense, & rebounding. It's pretty obvious the current system isn't working long term.

We were embarrassed twice this year by VCU. Jeez - VCU pulled down 15 offensive rebounds. That's what winning programs can do. It makes me sick that we let them do it at our expense.

We are just soft & passive. Real & long term upside requires major adjustments to our system & approach to on court & mgmt of the program. However, for all I've stated, nothing will change. Same ole, same ole, same ole.

 

[fmrick]

Been a long time since we have had a such a poor ball handling tandem of guards.
You attack VCU with quick passing and less dribbling. We may have good length
but they have great length. I think we stopped attacking lane when they got some easy
snow birds off quick outlet passes. I don’t know if this team playing their very best could
beat them.

You almost nailed that one. I'll just add this- I've watched two ur games in person, seen three or four on TV. The problem is your guards.

"You attack VCU with quick (accurate) passing and less dribbling." If fixed that for you.

Your passing is not the greatest. You have VERY GOOD shooters. But they need to get the ball in a position to shoot. Instead, the passes are high, low, left or right. So, the shooter fights for good position, gets away from the defender, and the guard sees this and passes the ball. With a good quick pass, the shooter is able to catch and shoot without the defender closing or impacting the shot.

When the pass is bad, it all falls apart. The shooter has to reach for the ball, impacting his position. In the 1/2 to 1 second that it adds to the catch, the defender has time to close and impact the shooters chance for a clear shot. The shooters chances for making the shot goes way down.

VCU recruits "long" players. They take real pride in the number of times they get deflections. That is the game. Plus, when the pass is bad, the refs seem to give the defenders more leeway. Why? Because with the bad pass, they see a defender going for the ball, and they have the same right at that point. By then they are close up on the shooter, and until the shooter gains full control of the ball, the refs are not going to call that foul. Look at VCU's fouls late in the game. It was 7-2 at one point, favor to VCU. They play aggressive. But, if you pay attention, you will see that if they are beat, they just make token attempts to defend, or just let the shooter shoot. No need to get useless fouls.

That is why VCU goes after passes so much. And that is why they look like they are not defending close. Think Ali and Rope a Dope. Let them think they have an open shooter, then close on the pass.
It was about what I expected. I said the team that showed up would win easily. It could of been worse. At about the 10 minute VCU stopped attacking, except for fast breaks. In the end, we went to the- Pass for 25 seconds and then jack something up. I think Mike and Chris are friends, and Mike did not want to embarrass his friend's team.

Good luck the rest of the way. The A-10 tournament is in two weeks, and we all know anything is possible then.

 

[whampas]

Maybe if we can lose 6 or 7 more games to them in the next couple of years, their need to gloat will go away.

 

[SpiderGuy]

Maybe if we can lose 6 or 7 more games to them in the next couple of years, their need to gloat will go away.

I dunno. At this point, the losses are pretty much a given. We’ll win our our one in four. Sorry for the frustration, but after watching that last night the frustration still is ringing.

 

[coach fezz]

Quinn gets called for some fouls just because he’s so big

yes very true

 

[coach fezz]

I think the defense was dreadful throughout, at least the lack of pressure on the dribbler. And the inability to stop guys off the dribble. In particular Yuri on several occasions just dribbled and dribbled with no pressure before whipping a pass or taking his man off the dribble. That needs to change.

yes back off or pick up against pressure

 

[64Spider]

YurI dribbles until his defenders get lost or picked off by the (moving) screens they set up. We need to have at least one other defense ( zone maybe) because they could probably run their stuff with their eyes closed against our never changing defense!

 

[SpiderK]

You almost nailed that one. I'll just add this- I've watched two ur games in person, seen three or four on TV. The problem is your guards.

"You attack VCU with quick (accurate) passing and less dribbling." If fixed that for you.

Your passing is not the greatest. You have VERY GOOD shooters. But they need to get the ball in a position to shoot. Instead, the passes are high, low, left or right. So, the shooter fights for good position, gets away from the defender, and the guard sees this and passes the ball. With a good quick pass, the shooter is able to catch and shoot without the defender closing or impacting the shot.

When the pass is bad, it all falls apart. The shooter has to reach for the ball, impacting his position. In the 1/2 to 1 second that it adds to the catch, the defender has time to close and impact the shooters chance for a clear shot. The shooters chances for making the shot goes way down.

VCU recruits "long" players. They take real pride in the number of times they get deflections. That is the game. Plus, when the pass is bad, the refs seem to give the defenders more leeway. Why? Because with the bad pass, they see a defender going for the ball, and they have the same right at that point. By then they are close up on the shooter, and until the shooter gains full control of the ball, the refs are not going to call that foul. Look at VCU's fouls late in the game. It was 7-2 at one point, favor to VCU. They play aggressive. But, if you pay attention, you will see that if they are beat, they just make token attempts to defend, or just let the shooter shoot. No need to get useless fouls.

That is why VCU goes after passes so much. And that is why they look like they are not defending close. Think Ali and Rope a Dope. Let them think they have an open shooter, then close on the pass.
It was about what I expected. I said the team that showed up would win easily. It could of been worse. At about the 10 minute VCU stopped attacking, except for fast breaks. In the end, we went to the- Pass for 25 seconds and then jack something up. I think Mike and Chris are friends, and Mike did not want to embarrass his friend's team.

Good luck the rest of the way. The A-10 tournament is in two weeks, and we all know anything is possible then.

Your “long armed players” sat at home and watched us in the tournament last year, we will be watching from home this year.

 

[fmrick]

Your “long armed players” sat at home and watched us in the tournament last year, we will be watching from home this year.

Sorry, but that is all you got.

 

[CarolinaSpider]

You almost nailed that one. I'll just add this- I've watched two ur games in person, seen three or four on TV. The problem is your guards.

"You attack VCU with quick (accurate) passing and less dribbling." If fixed that for you.

Your passing is not the greatest. You have VERY GOOD shooters. But they need to get the ball in a position to shoot. Instead, the passes are high, low, left or right. So, the shooter fights for good position, gets away from the defender, and the guard sees this and passes the ball. With a good quick pass, the shooter is able to catch and shoot without the defender closing or impacting the shot.

When the pass is bad, it all falls apart. The shooter has to reach for the ball, impacting his position. In the 1/2 to 1 second that it adds to the catch, the defender has time to close and impact the shooters chance for a clear shot. The shooters chances for making the shot goes way down.

VCU recruits "long" players. They take real pride in the number of times they get deflections. That is the game. Plus, when the pass is bad, the refs seem to give the defenders more leeway. Why? Because with the bad pass, they see a defender going for the ball, and they have the same right at that point. By then they are close up on the shooter, and until the shooter gains full control of the ball, the refs are not going to call that foul. Look at VCU's fouls late in the game. It was 7-2 at one point, favor to VCU. They play aggressive. But, if you pay attention, you will see that if they are beat, they just make token attempts to defend, or just let the shooter shoot. No need to get useless fouls.

That is why VCU goes after passes so much. And that is why they look like they are not defending close. Think Ali and Rope a Dope. Let them think they have an open shooter, then close on the pass.
It was about what I expected. I said the team that showed up would win easily. It could of been worse. At about the 10 minute VCU stopped attacking, except for fast breaks. In the end, we went to the- Pass for 25 seconds and then jack something up. I think Mike and Chris are friends, and Mike did not want to embarrass his friend's team.

Good luck the rest of the way. The A-10 tournament is in two weeks, and we all know anything is possible then.

Did not realize VCU grads could write a 25 page dissertation?

 

[whampas]

Sorry, but that is all you got.

Probably so, but it doesn't change the facts. You stayed home last year, we danced. No guarantees on this year for either team. Your chances are obviously better.

 

[DTSpider]

Probably so, but it doesn't change the facts. You stayed home last year, we danced. No guarantees on this year for either team. Your chances are obviously better.

Not sure we really can talk about NCAA appearances as a point over VCU. Last year is but one year. Literally one year. The last decade tells a very different story.

 

[whampas]

Not sure we really can talk about NCAA appearances as a point over VCU. Last year is but one year. Literally one year. The last decade tells a very different story.

Don't disagree. Nobody wants change more than me. But the fact is we caught lightning in a bottle last year by eliminating VCU, winning A10 tournament and dancing. Not suggesting we're anywhere near as successful as them just stating a fact. It unfortunately cursed us for another 4 years.

 

[Ram Bal]

Sorry, but that is all you got.

Is it possible that K is Ulla? 🤔

 

[whampas]

Is it possible that K is Ulla? 🤔

Same odds that Ram Bal is fmrick.

 

[SpiderRick]

Been a long time since we have had a such a poor ball handling tandem of guards.
You attack VCU with quick passing and less dribbling. We may have good length
but they have great length. I think we stopped attacking lane when they got some easy
snow birds off quick outlet passes. I don’t know if this team playing their very best could
beat them.

We've gotten spoiled. Last 4 point guards Anderson, Lindsey, Anthony, Gilyard.

 

[urmite]

We've gotten spoiled. Last 4 point guards Anderson, Lindsey, Anthony, Gilyard.

Jones?

 

[Spider B]

We've gotten spoiled. Last 4 point guards Anderson, Lindsey, Anthony, Gilyard.

And we only made 3 NCAA tournaments with those guards. Remarkable.

 

[wr70beh]

Probably so, but it doesn't change the facts. You stayed home last year, we danced. No guarantees on this year for either team. Your chances are obviously better.

To be honest we really are in no position to trash talk anyone in the Conference, much less anyone on their side. We’ve got bigger problems.

 

[SouthJerseySpiderFan]

We just need a complete new system & philosophy to the game - offense defense, & rebounding. It's pretty obvious the current system isn't working long term.

Don't know about the other two but I vote for a new offensive approach. The analyst Friday mentioned Spiders having most 3PTA% in league play while having a low shooting percentage. Not a good way to get wins. I don't think completely Mooney's desire to want to shoot that many. More than enough too early in the clock attempts but maybe more so no good options late into the clock having to force up 3PTA.

Beat STL going 17-37 from deep though outscored 46-12 in paint. Then only 4-22 against VCU. Not a fan of winning or losing relying on required good 3PT shooting. And this team's subpar 3PT% has shown more losing will come from it. I just don't see that many successful backdoor cuts like in previous years from Mooney's offense. So yes SG offensive adjustments could be made or total revaluation though we know Mooney is adverse to that.

Don't see any major changes necessary with defense. As a whole this season having difficulty keeping their men in front of them. Which a major problem that could be somewhat alleviated if having bigs who could defend at rim shots. Of course we don't being 2nd worst A10 team defending the rim.

And defensive rebounding this year has drastically improved regardless of the poor performance against VCU. It's the non-existent strategy of not one player it appears going for an offensive rebound. At least have one player designated for that purpose. Looking forward to 2023-24 I would have Bigs filling that role.

 

[SpiderK]

Sorry, but that is all you got.

Please stop asking me if I will be using the McDonalds app today.

 

[coach fezz]

offense change needs

We just need a complete new system & philosophy to the game - offense, defense, & rebounding. It's pretty obvious the current system isn't working long term.

We were embarrassed twice this year by VCU. Jeez - VCU pulled down 15 offensive rebounds. That's what winning programs can do. It makes me sick that we let them do it at our expense.

We are just soft & passive. Real & long term upside requires major adjustments to our system & approach to on court & mgmt of the program. However, for all I've stated, nothing will change. Same ole, same ole, same ole.

the truth of all truths

 

[97spiderfan]

Don't know about the other two but I vote for a new offensive approach. The analyst Friday mentioned Spiders having most 3PTA% in league play while having a low shooting percentage. Not a good way to get wins. I don't think completely Mooney's desire to want to shoot that many. More than enough too early in the clock attempts but maybe more so no good options late into the clock having to force up 3PTA.

Beat STL going 17-37 from deep though outscored 46-12 in paint. Then only 4-22 against VCU. Not a fan of winning or losing relying on required good 3PT shooting. And this team's subpar 3PT% has shown more losing will come from it. I just don't see that many successful backdoor cuts like in previous years from Mooney's offense. So yes SG offensive adjustments could be made or total revaluation though we know Mooney is adverse to that.

Don't see any major changes necessary with defense. As a whole this season having difficulty keeping their men in front of them. Which a major problem that could be somewhat alleviated if having bigs who could defend at rim shots. Of course we don't being 2nd worst A10 team defending the rim.

And defensive rebounding this year has drastically improved regardless of the poor performance against VCU. It's the non-existent strategy of not one player it appears going for an offensive rebound. At least have one player designated for that purpose. Looking forward to 2023-24 I would have Bigs filling that role.

I think the main issue this year is that we don't have the personnel to execute our offense. Our guards can't score, we are not a good 3 point shooting team, but yet we run an offense that is dependant upon good guard play and good 3 point shooting.

It is somewhat ironic that the coaching staff knows this as they generally start the game by trying to get the ball inside to Quinn. And then the second half comes around and we have Quinn stationed out near the 3 point line, still pretending he is Grant and can score/distribute from out there like Grant could.

Mooney is always the slowest in making adjustments and it is particularly killing him this year because his personnel requires it.

 

[spiderman]

I felt like we gave the ball to Quinn so much against VCU because it was the only thing we could successfully do. he and Burton were the only guys who could even get the ball to a spot on the floor where they could score. everyone else just moved the ball around.

 

[SpiderK]

I felt like we gave the ball to Quinn so much against VCU because it was the only thing we could successfully do. he and Burton were the only guys who could even get the ball to a spot on the floor where they could score. everyone else just moved the ball around.

Exactly. It was 3 on 5 all night. Our guards were NO threat whatsoever.