Transfer Thread

[kneepadmckinney]

I can understand the counter-position. And I certainly don't question Buck's heart and effort when he has been on the court. In fact, that's part of what would leave such a sour taste for me personally. He's represented himself as "all in", including in his public statements about being a leader and taking a more leadership role. You can't do that, and then when the going gets tough, quit and leave.

And to be clear, this is how I have tried to advise my own son when he's been on teams that have been bad (sometimes atrociously so). You don't quit, you go to every practice, and you try to be the example and solution, not be the problem.

If he left, the leadership piece is pure lip-service at best, and hypocrisy at worst.

Caveat: this assumes the reason for transfer is for an opportunity to play at a different school, not a transfer for personal (non-basketball) reasons.

 

[Spider2020]

I don’t know what the reason he asked for his release is, but maybe it has something to do with the fact that his girlfriend recently left UR for another school (ETSU I think). Personally though I don’t think that would be a good reason to transfer

 

[ur2K]

If he leaves, I can’t see how it could be anything but an indictment on a coaching staff that approaching year 14 can’t fill out a full roster which seems to be the bare minimum required o the position

 

[SpiderK]

I don’t know what the reason he asked for his release is, but maybe it has something to do with the fact that his girlfriend recently left UR for another school (ETSU I think). Personally though I don’t think that would be a good reason to transfer

It’s a terrible reason, but you don’t learn that for many years.

 

[VT_Spider]

Buck was retweeting a guy from Tech today, could mean he's coming here.

 

[plydogg]

Buck was retweeting a guy from Tech today, could mean he's coming here.

That's some real next level reaching there

 

[Ulla1]

I don’t know what the reason he asked for his release is, but maybe it has something to do with the fact that his girlfriend recently left UR for another school (ETSU I think). Personally though I don’t think that would be a good reason to transfer

2020, while the Ulla is pretty old now, back in the day, a move by the girlfriend would certainly be worthy of a transfer.

 

[whampas]

2020, while the Ulla is pretty old now, back in the day, a move by the girlfriend would certainly be worthy of a transfer.

Always saw it as an opportunity to trade up.

 

[64Spider]

Come on guys. You can't use a sample size of one game or one practice to try and credit or discredit a player. That's absurd.

I was not trying to discredit anyone. Only an observation of one recent practice but it backed up what I have noticed in warm ups as well. With our current need for someone to step up I was hoping to see improvement. To me watching someone like Nick shoot, even when he misses, I feel good about his shot. That's different with some of our guys that have to step it up. Time will tell.
But what the heck.....maybe it was an air ball drill.

 

[CarolinaSpider]

2020, while the Ulla is pretty old now, back in the day, a move by the girlfriend would certainly be worthy of a transfer.

Yea but you would not have to sit out year.

 

[spidUR804]

If anyone is making Buckingham transferring about anything other than the lack of success the coaching staff has brought to him the individual, then it is clear we are okay with mediocrity.

 

[fan2011]

If anyone is making Buckingham transferring about anything other than the lack of success the coaching staff has brought to him the individual, then it is clear we are okay with mediocrity.

Seems to me that it is likely Buckingham is not transferring, do you think he is going to?

 

[VT_Spider]

Seems to me that it is likely Buckingham is not transferring, do you think he is going to?

Yes I believe he is headed out the door now. Look at his twitter, a lot of the UR stuff he had on there has been deleted.

 

[Ulla1]

Yea but you would not have to sit out year.

Hopefully not! Lol

 

[plydogg]

Yes I believe he is headed out the door now. Look at his twitter, a lot of the UR stuff he had on there has been deleted.

You're right, he changed his profile picture from a picture of him in a Spiders jersey to...oh wait

 

[VT_Spider]

You're right, he changed his profile picture from a picture of him in a Spiders jersey to...oh wait

Some of the stuff in his bio is different I believe. You know what I'll message him on twitter and ask him what he doing because he follows me.

 

[plydogg]

Some of the stuff in his bio is different I believe. You know what I'll message him on twitter and ask him what he doing because he follows me.

That'll save us all from having to speculate

 

[Buknbullz]

Where there’s smoke. There’s FIRE!

 

[Eight Legger]

If Buck leaves, it's evidence that Mooney has lost the team and does not deserve to remain as coach, simple as that. He said a week ago that there would be no more defections. This would mean he was not only wrong but that he had no sense of the temperature of his own players.

 

[VT4700]

I like Buck just like I like Khwan, but if we had to lose any 2 starters, those would be the ideal 2. No team ever wants to lose anybody, and I hope Buck stays, but transferring is a big part of college right now, so it is foolish to think we should be immune to it.

Jacob, Nick, and Grant are the main 3, and will be as good as any 3 in the A-10 the next 2 years. We need to surround them with good shooters and height.

If Buck does leave, I wonder if it would be related to the one game suspension he had this year. Did we ever find out exactly what that was for? Looking at his tweeter and seeing all of the "keep your head up" and "praying for you" tweets makes it sound like something else is going on.

 

[SpiderK]

He must be thinking of transferring because he wants to be closer to home. :/

 

[kneepadmckinney]

If anyone is making Buckingham transferring about anything other than the lack of success the coaching staff has brought to him the individual, then it is clear we are okay with mediocrity.

No, that's ridiculous. Anyone who watches a Spider game with or near me can attest that I certainly don't enjoy us losing, often loudly so. Also, in Buck's two years, he's had one bad one, and one pretty good one that culminated in a good run through the NIT. Agree, it's not the NCAA tournament, and that's what I hope for as well, but it's also not like he's playing at South Florida.

Why can't I have the opinion that I want our team to be better, and I want Buck to be the leader he has said he aspires to be, and be at the forefront of the renaissance?

Currently, I think very highly of De'Monte as a person and as a player, and -- so far -- as a willing leader of a young team. If he transfers, I will view that as quitting when the going got tough, and I will think less of him.

 

[Eight Legger]

I get what you are saying, but I think it's a little harsh. The kid is a winner. He's won his whole life, until now. He no doubt expected to be in the NCAA tournament at least once these first two years. Now it looks like he is getting farther away instead of closer. He realizes he has only two years left. Odds of making the tournament here next year are probably about 10%. That leaves one final year to hope everything goes right.

Could it? Of course. But he strikes me as a kid who would not be satisfied with one NCAA appearance. He knows he is capable of more and probably wants to make sure that it's within reach. He may no longer feel that it is within reach here.

 

[VT_Spider]

I get what you are saying, but I think it's a little harsh. The kid is a winner. He's won his whole life, until now. He no doubt expected to be in the NCAA tournament at least once these first two years. Now it looks like he is getting farther away instead of closer. He realizes he has only two years left. Odds of making the tournament here next year are probably about 10%. That leaves one final year to hope everything goes right.

Could it? Of course. But he strikes me as a kid who would not be satisfied with one NCAA appearance. He knows he is capable of more and probably wants to make sure that it's within reach. He may no longer feel that it is within reach here.

As long as Mooney is the coach here it is not within reach for him to got to the big dance.

 

[VT4700]

Are we really playing the "wants to play in the tourney" game again? Didn't we just hear a lot of the same talk on here about Khwan? That was not accurate at all.

So where exactly should Buck transfer to if he only wants to transfer so he can make the tourney? And how much should he expect to play for a guaranteed tourney team?

 

[SpiderK]

Are we really playing the "wants to play in the tourney" game again? Didn't we just hear a lot of the same talk on here about Khwan? That was not accurate at all.

So where exactly should Buck transfer to if he only wants to transfer so he can make the tourney? And how much should he expect to play for a guaranteed tourney team?

Not to mention sitting a year. I am surprised Buck would want to go to school for 5 years

 

[Eight Legger]

You have no idea what was or wasn't accurate with Khwan, considering that he hasn't signed with anyone yet. There are plenty of places either one of them could go where making the tournament is a hell of a lot more likely than it is here, unfortunately. Khwan may go to Tennessee or Ohio State, both of whom will make the tourney next year. Buck would have equally solid options at the P5 level if he wanted them.

It's hilarious to me how people here can talk about what amazing talent we have and how we're close to being great... but then as soon as any of that talent decides to leave, Eh, they'll never play at a program better than ours...they don't really care about winning...they don't really care about making the NCAAs, they just want to showcase themselves for some foreign league talent scout. Just listen to yourselves.

 

[ur2K]

Kid has been the heart of the program from the day he committed to UR, him asking out says all I need to know about the coaching staff.

These aren’t issues any program should be dealing with with such a long tenured coaching staff, it’s really inexcusable. Keeping the core intact was the only redeeming quality in my mind for keeping Mooney. He lost 1 of the possible returning starting 5 and we can lose another? Come on, man. How is this ok?

 

[VT_Spider]

Kid has been the heart of the program from the day he committed to UR, him asking out says all I need to know about the coaching staff.

These aren’t issues any program should be dealing with with such a long tenured coaching staff, it’s really inexcusable. Keeping the core intact was the only redeeming quality in my mind for keeping Mooney. He lost 1 of the possible returning starting 5 and we can lose another? Come on, man. How is this ok?

Really hope we don't lose Buck. I honestly would put him up with KA, K0, TJ, Gonzo, Smith, and Ryan Butler as one of my favorite UR players I have seen even after just two years. Unfortunately we have a truly unique situation at head coach with our program that I'm not sure any other program has ever had.

 

[VT_Spider]

Are we really playing the "wants to play in the tourney" game again? Didn't we just hear a lot of the same talk on here about Khwan? That was not accurate at all.

So where exactly should Buck transfer to if he only wants to transfer so he can make the tourney? And how much should he expect to play for a guaranteed tourney team?

If he does leave he should come to Tech. He would be a starter here for both of his final two seasons and play at a very high level.

 

[SpiderK]

If he does leave he should come to Tech. He would be a starter here for both of his final two seasons and play at a very high level.

You can play six or seven years at Tech. They can keep you in school as long as you need.

 

[VT4700]

You have no idea what was or wasn't accurate with Khwan, considering that he hasn't signed with anyone yet. ”

What part of this are you not reading correctly?

“It was more of getting back home. I got a little homesick,” said Fore, a 6-foot guard from Huntsville, Ala. “One of the biggest reasons was I felt like I did all I could do, or whatever, for the team and I’d just feel more comfortable if I got closer to home and focused more on my wants and needs.

“I love the coaches and the players (at Richmond). I didn’t have any bad vibe towards the players or the coaches.”

 

[Ulla1]

What part of this are you not reading correctly?

“It was more of getting back home. I got a little homesick,” said Fore, a 6-foot guard from Huntsville, Ala. “One of the biggest reasons was I felt like I did all I could do, or whatever, for the team and I’d just feel more comfortable if I got closer to home and focused more on my wants and needs.

“I love the coaches and the players (at Richmond). I didn’t have any bad vibe towards the players or the coaches.”

Seems clear to me, VT.

 

[keefusb]

In the business world, the number one reason people leave a job/company is because they have a poor manager. More money is usually a distant second.

It is clear to me that despite all the talk about KF and DMB wanting to go somewhere else because they want to win/go to the NCAA tourney, CM is the "manager" of the UR basketball organization, and he has a majority of the culpability for the departure of these two players (assuming DMB actually leaves). I would say the major reason for them leaving is they no longer believe in or trust Chris Mooney.

You don't have to be an insider to see that Mooney has "lost the locker room" when it comes to this team. Would have to say that if Buck actually leaves, we are are at tremendous risk to lose NS, JG, and/or GG.

Not a great time to be a Spider. If Buck leaves, Mooney HAS to go. In fact, if we sack CM, and make a decisive hire for a quality coach, we may even be able to pull KF and DMB back since neither has committed to another program yet.

 

[nathanw19]

What part of this are you not reading correctly?

“It was more of getting back home. I got a little homesick,” said Fore, a 6-foot guard from Huntsville, Ala. “One of the biggest reasons was I felt like I did all I could do, or whatever, for the team and I’d just feel more comfortable if I got closer to home and focused more on my wants and needs.

“I love the coaches and the players (at Richmond). I didn’t have any bad vibe towards the players or the coaches.”

I think the line of “one of the biggest reasons was I felt like I did all I could do, or whatever, for the team...” screams he doesn’t think they can be any better. He was about to be the senior leader on this team, which we all hope can compete for the tourney, but instead he thinks he’s done all he can do. So instead, if he’s not going to make the tourney, he’d rather be close to home, and even better, make the tourney and be close to home.

To me, he comes off sounding defeated by our program, but is too classy of a person to throw others under the bus on his way out. So it’s “I want to be closer to home” instead of “I’m sick of losing and I don’t see UR going to the tourney.” Whether transferring somewhere to be in the tourney is part of his motivation is admittedly how you read it, but I think he would still have something left to do if we were going to be in the hunt for the tourney next year.

 

[whampas]

The program is imploding under Mooney's leadership. Stevie Wonder can see that. Mr. Hardt is the most important person in the AD right now. We're about to find out what type of leadership he's going to provide moving forward.

 

[spider23]

In the business world, the number one reason people leave a job/company is because they have a poor manager. More money is usually a distant second.

It is clear to me that despite all the talk about KF and DMB wanting to go somewhere else because they want to win/go to the NCAA tourney, CM is the "manager" of the UR basketball organization, and he has a majority of the culpability for the departure of these two players (assuming DMB actually leaves). I would say the major reason for them leaving is they no longer believe in or trust Chris Mooney.

You don't have to be an insider to see that Mooney has "lost the locker room" when it comes to this team. Would have to say that if Buck actually leaves, we are are at tremendous risk to lose NS, JG, and/or GG.

Not a great time to be a Spider. If Buck leaves, Mooney HAS to go. In fact, if we sack CM, and make a decisive hire for a quality coach, we may even be able to pull KF and DMB back since neither has committed to another program yet.

Keef, this is all making a lot of sense to me. In my experience, you are absolutely correct in the number 1 reason people leave a job is their direct manager. And this is basically a job for these guys, a fun one imo, but still one that takes up a great deal of any free time as a college student. If this does implode, and it looks like it could be going in that direction - we will get to see what Hardt is made of. Really hope he can hire a dynamic coach, though I am very afraid he will not. I hope Queally writes his checks and gets out of the way and Hardt can come up with a good one that can keep Buck, Gilly, Grant and Nick in place and add a couple pieces.

 

[spider23]

think the line of “one of the biggest reasons was I felt like I did all I could do, or whatever, for the team...” screams he doesn’t think they can be any better. He was about to be the senior leader on this team, which we all hope can compete for the tourney, but instead he thinks he’s done all he can do

Yes, this is exactly how I read it too. It's unbelievable. And it seems our only recruiting going on now is to recruit Buck and whoever else has walked in Mooney's door.

 

[Not-A-Homer]

Come on guys. You can't use a sample size of one game or one practice to try and credit or discredit a player. That's absurd.

I'm a terrible basketball player, I once made 10 straight 3's going from a shootaround to a pickup game and would never claim to be able to make two in a row or even have any confidence in making one even if I was wide open. 15 shots from two guys in one practice really doesn't mean anything.

I've seen a lot of shooters thru my many years. You can trust that my evaluation is based upon a multitude of factors.

 

[spiders081062]

Bob Black has to be Wallace’s source right? He sits across from the guy every morning and who has more access to the athletic department? If so that would kind of be a betrayal of his post though right?