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depends on who we get at that spot as a 4/5. if next guy's not better, then we missed out.
right now we're really small, especially if Tyler doesn't come back.
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Not even counting Tyler: Quinn 7'0. Walz 6'11. Bigs 6'7. Noyes 6'7. Tanner 6'6.

VCU just rolled through the league at 18-3, and only 3 of their top 8 guys were taller than 6'6 (6'9, 6'8, and 6'7). You keep saying we need all these bigs out there, but why? Other teams usually don't have that many.

Would I want a talented guy with height who could help us? Absolutely. I want us to get as many talented players as possible.....if they make us better, why wouldn't we want that? But, a 6'10 guy just because he is 6'10? No thanks. Right now, we have a good mix of bigs and guards, so go find talent, preferably talent that can shoot.
 
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Question: are we looking for starters or backups from the portal?

How does our portal activity affect Noyes or to a lesser degree, Walz? Those guys need to be in the playing time (real playing time) mix now if ever IMO. Last two recruiting classes are wearing mighty thin if not.
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Agree, and Walz and Noyes should be more than ready. If not, fair to blame our recruiting there. I think we could definitely use a high quality shooting guard transfer as a starter. If not, Roche and or Randolph could start with Smith (if he starts), but to make us a much better team than last year, we would want a big time scorer starting there. There aren't as many big time, scoring 6'7+ guys available as guards, so that is why I think if we find a starter in the portal it will be a scoring guard.
 
I think we need a starter type at guard at the least. If Burton is back, I like him at PF, but likely more of a wing. agree, Walz and Noyes need to make their presence felt. If we can find a shooter at the forward position and he is 6'7 or taller that works too. It just seems to me like either Mooney does not push or provide opportunity to the young guys like Noyes and Walz, or he is recruiting guys that are happy to have a ship and develop for three years. I know Randolph pushed his way in, that is what I would expect with all the guys. Good PT in year 2 or maybe you are not at the right place.
 
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Not even counting Tyler: Quinn 7'0. Walz 6'11. Bigs 6'7. Noyes 6'7. Tanner 6'6.

VCU just rolled through the league at 18-3, and only 3 of their top 8 guys were taller than 6'6 (6'9, 6'8, and 6'7). You keep saying we need all these bigs out there, but why? Other teams usually don't have that many.

Would I want a talented guy with height who could help us? Absolutely. I want us to get as many talented players as possible.....if they make us better, why wouldn't we want that? But, a 6'10 guy just because he is 6'10? No thanks. Right now, we have a good mix of bigs and guards, so go find talent, preferably talent that can shoot.
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Johns (6'8" 240), DeLoach (6'9" 215), and Watkins (6'7" 210) combined to play 76 mpg. that's pretty much the whole game at the 5 and 4. but VCU still has 3 other bigs on the roster ... Fermin (6'10" 215), Okafor (6'9" 216) and Lawal (6'8" 200). because that's what teams do. in case of injury or at least to develop.

Noyes would have his hands full with any off them (6'7" 190) unless he's gotten bigger and Tanner is a SF or a big guard. he was way shorter than Mooney in the picture of the two.

like 23 said, Burton can certainly play the bigger forward role when Bigelow is out. but that's if he comes back.

we need shooting but we also need some size. I assume we have 4 spots to fill. we don't need 8 guards on a 13 man roster.
 
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spiderman said:
Johns (6'8" 240), DeLoach (6'9" 215), and Watkins (6'7" 210) combined to play 76 mpg. that's pretty much the whole game at the 5 and 4. but VCU still has 3 other bigs on the roster ... Fermin (6'10" 215), Okafor (6'9" 216) and Lawal (6'8" 200). because that's what teams do. in case of injury or at least to develop.

Noyes would have his hands full with any off them (6'7" 190) unless he's gotten bigger and Tanner is a SF or a big guard. he was way shorter than Mooney in the picture of the two.

like 23 said, Burton can certainly play the bigger forward role when Bigelow is out. but that's if he comes back.

we need shooting but we also need some size. I assume we have 4 spots to fill. we don't need 8 guards on a 13 man roster.
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Okafor was a walk on....did not play a minute last year. The other 2 averaged 1.3 and 0.4 PPG. Wow, what would VCU have done without them last year? So, in other words, VCU had 8 guards on their 13 man roster. Lots of teams have 5 or fewer forwards on their 13 man roster, including us for several years in a row until last year when we had 6 Fs after Tyler came back. So, we would have again been at 5 Fs had he not come back.

We won the A-10 tourney and a dance game in 22 with 4 Fs getting any key playing time. The 5th was Sal, and the rest were guards. We went 24-7 in 2020 with the same 5 Fs on our roster, including Sal, who averaged 1.4 points a game. Plenty of other recent years we only had 5 Fs, so just not buying your we don't need 8 Gs on a 13 man roster talk. Sure, let's get a F if he can beat someone out and help us, but no, we didn't need a 6'10 guy from North Fla. just because we needed a 6th F. I would rather play a more talented G in any lineup we throw out there than a below average at this level F.
 
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First priority is definitely guards. It's a team game but if u look at our analytics - not everyone believes in those the same but word on here is our staff believes - we really need guards. Torvik had Nelson, Dji, & Randolph as pretty consistently our bottom ranked players. No expert of every stat he has, u can look up, but lot of known advanced ones like effective FG%, true shooting %, turnover %, box plus/-, rating etc. And it aligned with my own eye test. Now those guys were pretty inexperienced but we need guard help. I'd love a tall athletic wing or big F too but who wouldn't.
 
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Okafor was a walk on....did not play a minute last year. The other 2 averaged 1.3 and 0.4 PPG. Wow, what would VCU have done without them last year? So, in other words, VCU had 8 guards on their 13 man roster. Lots of teams have 5 or fewer forwards on their 13 man roster, including us for several years in a row until last year when we had 6 Fs after Tyler came back. So, we would have again been at 5 Fs had he not come back.

We won the A-10 tourney and a dance game in 22 with 4 Fs getting any key playing time. The 5th was Sal, and the rest were guards. We went 24-7 in 2020 with the same 5 Fs on our roster, including Sal, who averaged 1.4 points a game. Plenty of other recent years we only had 5 Fs, so just not buying your we don't need 8 Gs on a 13 man roster talk. Sure, let's get a F if he can beat someone out and help us, but no, we didn't need a 6'10 guy from North Fla. just because we needed a 6th F. I would rather play a more talented G in any lineup we throw out there than a below average at this level F.
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doesn't matter if the VCU 5th and 6th big men played or not. you have to have more than 2 guys that can physically play the 5 on your roster! if one is a little undersized height-wise, he'll certainly be bigger than 200 lbs or taller than 6'7" or both. and you have 2 who are bigger forward types. some guys overlap like Grace. but you still have 5 bigger guys. we always do. we had Sal. doesn't matter if he played much. you hope you don't need the extra guy. but we had him on the roster if needed. just like you need 3 guys who can play the point. you may never want Goose to play point, but he's there.

we only have 4 now unless Burton comes back. with Tyler, we could possibly stand pat in the front court. if he's gone, we'll certainly add at least one. I really don't care that it's not this Parker guy. like you said he's not a game changer. I hope we find someone better. but we will add someone. hopefully it's Burton.
 
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doesn't matter if the VCU 5th and 6th big men played or not. you have to have more than 2 guys that can physically play the 5 on your roster! if one is a little undersized height-wise, he'll certainly be bigger than 200 lbs or taller than 6'7" or both. and you have 2 who are bigger forward types. some guys overlap like Grace. but you still have 5 bigger guys. we always do. we had Sal. doesn't matter if he played much. you hope you don't need the extra guy. but we had him on the roster if needed. just like you need 3 guys who can play the point. you may never want Goose to play point, but he's there.

we only have 4 now unless Burton comes back. with Tyler, we could possibly stand pat in the front court. if he's gone, we'll certainly add at least one. I really don't care that it's not this Parker guy. like you said he's not a game changer. I hope we find someone better. but we will add someone. hopefully it's Burton.
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Wow, this is a hilarious post. You are changing your talk from we won't have 8 guards to, well, if we have 8 guards we will still have to have 3 guys that can play the 5. I didn't realize the NCAA had this rule stating this, and I didn't realize they let you define what a 5 was. Numerous teams don't even have a 5 out there, but you say teams have to have 3? And, when I show you they don't, all you have to do is just randomly pick a player like Sal and say, see, he could be a 5. Like with your 3 PG talk. You say we have to have 3 PGs and we had 1 last year. If we had more than one, Nelson wouldn't have played 30+ minutes so often, and would have been benched much earlier than he was. But, it was pretty obvious he was all we had there. And, like Sal, you can just say, see, we can use Goose. So, brilliant, I give up, you will always be right when you can just name your positions like this. Funny, but I seem to remember you saying we were done recruiting Bizjack because this position nonsense you love bringing up...you said we had 1 spot and his was taken. As if we would ever say no to a top 100ish player when we had scholarships available. And, a couple weeks later we had him in for a visit. But, that didn't seem to matter to you. You have your opinion here and I guess you will stick with it, regardless of the facts.
 
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smh. 3 that can play the 5. 3 that can play the 1. we had this same argument last fall. I said we were definitely bringing in another. we need a 3rd. you disagreed. we got Matt Reed to commit. what a shocker.
then we lost him. we're going to replace that loss. it doesn't have to be a true 5. it can be a stretch 4 like Grace. but it'll be a big enough guy where he can play the 5 if needed.
 
I want someone in the portal who can realistically come in and average 15 points a game for us. God knows we need it and we have the open spot for someone to walk right in and be the team leader if he wants to be (assuming Burton is gone) or the second leading scorer otherwise.
 
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Eight Legger said:
I want someone in the portal who can realistically come in and average 15 points a game for us. God knows we need it and we have the open spot for someone to walk right in and be the team leader if he wants to be (assuming Burton is gone) or the second leading scorer otherwise.
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I would love this. I think the only way we get a 15PPG scorer from the portal is if Tyler enters the portal and then decides to come back.
 
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DeMarr Langford out of BC. Guard with two years left but a 26% career shooter from deep. :eek: He doesn't shoot it a lot from there, less than one attempt per game.

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Couple of quick updates on guys we've been mentioned with...

- Ques Glover visiting Ole Miss this weekend.

- Chance McMillian will be visiting Colorado.

MD, we need a spreadsheet update to remind me who to keep tabs on! :cool:
 
Ask and you shall receive, SF! Here's your 4/12 midday update. Interesting to me that 5 of the first 9 guys we reached out to are still uncommited. I'd have to think we're in the running for at least 1.

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Gulley from Incarnate Word seems like one we could land...0 ppg, 0 rpg, 0 apg. National championship, here we come!

Evan Taylor sounds like a guy we could really use...a big guard who shoots lights out from deep. Yes please.
 
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Things have been quiet with Evan Taylor recently. He reportedly visited Loyola...he's a Chicago-area kid.
 
Yeah, there's been literally no news on Gulley for almost a month now.
 
one thing to note about Gully's 30 ppg ... the level of competition looks NOTHING like the most recent Collin Tanner video.
 
Huge difference between interest and offers but that’s not exactly a marque list of schools listed.
 
Despite 30ppg, Incarnate Word (a terrible hoops program) appears to have been Gulley's only D-I offer coming out of high school. And then I guess redshirted this season? Can't find anything about whether there was an injury or a development redshirt, but either way, he didn't play.
 
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Despite 30ppg, Incarnate Word (a terrible hoops program) appears to have been Gulley's only D-I offer coming out of high school. And then I guess redshirted this season? Can't find anything about whether there was an injury or a development redshirt, but either way, he didn't play.
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I would rather get someone who has already shown he can get it done at the college level. This looks similar to the Nelson situation and I don't think we want to go that route again.
 
Obviously very hard to judge anything at this point but I don't love what appears to be our philosophy on the portal. We are seemingly only looking at move up guys and virtually no move down guys and have to assume that's a choice. And not one i endorse.

Looking at last year, I'd say we weren't all that successful with that and we seemed to get guys that were at or near the top of our pecking order. Quinn in particular had lots of other solid interest from good programs. And Roach, likewise had some good results and solid interest. So, even with coming out of it with three solid move up guys that all figured to be a good fit, we didn't really make much hay. All showed flashes, but also showed plenty of holes. Only quinn started consistently and overall none was better than a very average (at best) A-10 player.

This is not portal success in my view. For a UR, we need to get impact out of the portal - - and more than a 20 minute starter and 2 subs. And we especially better get more than that this year. But its hard to see that with the group we appear to be chasing. Not that I know a ton about any of these names, but don't think we are chasing anyone that we have heard about who is as high a profile as Quinn even. More importantly, can't understand why we seemingly have no interest in Power 6 guys that may be looking. Literally hundreds and hundreds of them in the portal, but we seem to be not interested in this profile! Why is that?
 
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Tedrick Wilcox setting up a visit to UR! Just visited Hampton and also planning to visit Temple and Colorado.

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Just watched his highlights from this year. Not sure what his A10 level skill is. His 3 point jumper loads from down at his waist and takes time to release. Looks a bit like a tweener to me. I’m obviously no expert and all but again SFBK is quite low level D-1. I feel like with Roche, Bigelow and Quinn you could see the skill set - at least 1 skill for each - that would translate anywhere but I’m not quite seeing it here.
 
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We are seemingly only looking at move up guys and virtually no move down guys and have to assume that's a choice.

Looking at last year, …..we seemed to get guys that were at or near the top of our pecking order……So, even with coming out of it with three solid move up guys that all figured to be a good fit, we didn't really make much hay.

…we need to get impact out of the portal - - and more than a 20 minute starter and 2 subs….. More importantly, can't understand why we seemingly have no interest in Power 6 guys that may be looking.
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I was very hopeful last year as there seemed to be a good strategy and as you mention it seemed that UR got its top targets. This year there seems to be a “quantity not quality” strategy and on top of that last year’s plan did not seem to go very well other than the fact that all the transfers were multi-year and are back again this year (so far at least). The hope of “rebuilding” through the portal is fool’s gold for a system coach like Mooney and the high school recruiting seems to be lacking as well. Going to need much more than 1-2 quality high school prospects each year if the goal is to build an experienced team over time. It really looks like the Spiders will be perpetually stuck in transition mode based on what we have seen. Hope to be super surprised, but not counting on it.
 
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