And the Dems failed to read the room with regard to the majority of citizens not wanting boys competing against girls and not shutting down the insanity of illegal immigration.
The Fight in Ukraine and its Heroes
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I suppose the failed policies of the Biden administration had nothing to do with voter dissatisfaction. Again, Dems have never figured out how they lost to DT, of all people.
Yes, because this is the super important issue that really impacts all of our lives on a daily basis...
Baffled how to reply. Is this serious? So many misreads, don't know where to begin to address them.
You are a very intelligent guy, are you really here?
They lost because the other side got more votes. And none of us knows why any one individual voted the way they did regardless of their ethnicity, economic standing, level of education, sexual orientation or whatever. Extremely narrow thinking and disregard for whatever portion of society to which you are referring.
77 million plus voters thought so and Dems did nothing to counter except entrench themselves deeper in these two issues and other well publicized issues, like the pro Hamas demonstrations and illegals high profile crimes, The silent majority of common sense thinkers had had enough.
The Dems are still not reading the room. If they think AOC is the answer, we’re in trouble.
My personal preferences at this point are Shapiro, Buttigieg and an outlier, Polis.
When a significant portion of the electorate is uneducated and misinformed, it becomes pretty difficult to chase it down whatever insane rabbit hole it's chosen on a given day. People who voted for Trump said they wanted eggs and gas to be cheaper and the war in Ukraine to end. Trump promised he'd do those things on Day One and like sheep, they believed him. Any idiot knew he didn't and couldn't, and guess what? He didn't. Not sure how you address that level of stupidity.
How many trans athletes in the entire country do you think there are? A couple hundrred? A thousand? How many are competing at high levels in high school, college or the pros? A dozen? Two dozen? This is yet another absurd issue affecting virtually no one that Fox Entertainment Channel has chosen to harp on constantly as a way to drive the "F the libs!" narrative. Instead of addressing actual issues, they invent reasons for their base of angry morons to get angry.
How many trans athletes in the entire country do you think there are? A couple hundrred? A thousand? How many are competing at high levels in high school, college or the pros? A dozen? Two dozen? This is yet another absurd issue affecting virtually no one that Fox Entertainment Channel has chosen to harp on constantly as a way to drive the "F the libs!" narrative. Instead of addressing actual issues, they invent reasons for their base of angry morons to get angry.
Believe statistics would unquestionably show, the least educated folks in the country are a major part of the Dem coalition. Couldn't win dog catcher without their 90% support. But OK. Anyone disagreeing with the Progressive orthodoxy is a moron, racist, Fascist, Nazi by definition. We get it.
BTW A sole trans competing against women is just wrong. Weird stance from a party that avows they champion women's rights.
BTW A sole trans competing against women is just wrong. Weird stance from a party that avows they champion women's rights.
BTW A sole trans competing against women is just wrong. Weird stance from a party that avows they champion women's rights.
So are you against co-ed sports also? I would bet many, many more women are injured in co-ed sports by men than by competing againt trans women.
So are you against co-ed sports also? I would bet many, many more women are injured in co-ed sports by men than by competing againt trans women.
This is a disturbing announcement from the WSJ....
Ukraine is under pressure to respond this week to a series of far-reaching Trump administration ideas for how to end the war in Ukraine by granting concessions to Russia, including potential U.S. recognition of Russia’s 2014 annexation of Crimea and excluding Kyiv from joining NATO.
The ideas were outlined in a confidential document presented by senior Trump administration officials to their Ukrainian counterparts in Paris on Thursday, according to Western officials. They were also shared with senior European officials at the daylong meeting. ...
A U.S. move to recognize the Russian seizure of the Crimean Peninsula in 2014 would reverse a more than decade of American policy from both Democratic and Republican administrations. In 2018, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, who served during the first Trump administration, denounced Russia’s annexation of Crimea as a threat to “a bedrock international principle shared by democratic states: that no country can change the borders of another by force.”
Ukraine is under pressure to respond this week to a series of far-reaching Trump administration ideas for how to end the war in Ukraine by granting concessions to Russia, including potential U.S. recognition of Russia’s 2014 annexation of Crimea and excluding Kyiv from joining NATO.
The ideas were outlined in a confidential document presented by senior Trump administration officials to their Ukrainian counterparts in Paris on Thursday, according to Western officials. They were also shared with senior European officials at the daylong meeting. ...
A U.S. move to recognize the Russian seizure of the Crimean Peninsula in 2014 would reverse a more than decade of American policy from both Democratic and Republican administrations. In 2018, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, who served during the first Trump administration, denounced Russia’s annexation of Crimea as a threat to “a bedrock international principle shared by democratic states: that no country can change the borders of another by force.”
If true it does not sorprise me one bit. It is what I would have predicted from Trump.
Well, Crimea was Russian from Catherine the Great in 1783 until 1954. Not as if they are whistling Dixie.
Condemn Russian aggression against Ukraine. Big proponent of hammering Putin with weapons to Ukraine and sanctions, but to be honest Crimea is more Russian than not. Not so with the rest of Putin's power grab in eastern Ukraine.
Putin needs to be given two choices. Come to the table and work out a resolution to the war or you will be confronted by more HIMARS, F-16s, and Abrams tanks than you can withstand. So far our President flinches.
Condemn Russian aggression against Ukraine. Big proponent of hammering Putin with weapons to Ukraine and sanctions, but to be honest Crimea is more Russian than not. Not so with the rest of Putin's power grab in eastern Ukraine.
Putin needs to be given two choices. Come to the table and work out a resolution to the war or you will be confronted by more HIMARS, F-16s, and Abrams tanks than you can withstand. So far our President flinches.
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If you have a daughter ask her opinion.
Boston Marathon is being run today with three categories, men, women and non binary. A man qualified and is entered in to women’s category. He took the spot of a woman.
This should not even be a political issue, but the far left has provided the rwnjs with an issue that pulls common sense to the right.
Trump has possibly resolved the issue and gets it off the political scene.
When the Soviet Union split apart, Ukraine with Crimea became a separate nation. Putin cannot be allowed to redraw the boundaries of a sovereign country at his whim. If Putin is not stopped, then China will be justified in invading Taiwan, the Philippines, or Australia as its whim.
No matter what, we need to arm Ukraine to the teeth and support its ascension to NATO.
Donnie, where are the Abrams, where are the F-16s?
Trump won't do it, because Zelensky did not investigate Hunter Biden.
I feel that according to Putin the Soviet Union never split apart and all of it is still Russia…
Making invasion of any of them as an internal matter…
I have a feeling that if Putin tried to invade Poland, the Poles would run him out of their country. They endured 45 years of Russian dominance. That is why they are investing heavily in arms manufacturing.
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Beginning with Clinton, this country has failed to establish a national consensus for Putin and Ukraine. Clinton undercut Ukraine, by signing an agreement that was never to be enforced. Bush was so domestically weakened and distracted by the terrorism wars that he failed to act when Putin invaded Georgia. Obama did nothing when Putin invaded Ukraine. Biden projected weakness and was unable to communicate to bring together factions to support Ukraine. Trump was for Ukraine, before he was against it.
There has been no broad consensus that has been able to stand the test of time.
There has been no broad consensus that has been able to stand the test of time.
G - I think the explanation, which you left out, is that Ukraine was essentially an ally of Russia until the Maidan revolution that started in 2013 and continued into 2014. It wasn't until 2014 that it became a fledgling democracy seeking closer ties to the EU. And you can continue to beat on Biden all you want, but you skipped over the first Trump term when the U.S. position was essentially to blackmail Ukraine for dirt on the Bidens. You basically posted every day about Biden not doing enough when Ukraine is still standing and Russian didn't take Kiev in the 2-3 days Putin planned.
From what I see the Ukrainians will fight to the last drop of blood.
Admire the grit, determination and bravery of the Ukrainians. We blew our support for a deserving ally from the beginning. First, the humiliating tail between the legs withdrawal from Afghanistan spawned it, then we doubled down by slow walking critically needed weapons early on when a knock out punch could have been delivered.
You have left out a lot of facts. The Ukrainians suffered through a massive famine caused by Stalinin 1932-33. Up to 10 million Ukrainians died. People don't forget that sort of thing.
In his first term, Trump gave Ukraine 50x more weapons than Obama did. The Ukrainians used the javelin missiles provided by Trump to save Kyiv and Zelensky.
I've heard this asserted hundreds of times. The first time anyone can prove it will be the first time it's been proven. Did Putin say so? Frankly this is nothing but speculation and ignores that Putin had been fixated on Ukraine since the dissolution of the USSR. Further, it ignores that Trump made the agreement to leave. If you want to complain about how it was done have at it.
The intelligence folks believed there was a significant enough chance that Putin would use tactical nukes if defeat was imminent. To date, Ukraine still stands and no nukes have been used. That's a win in my book. Did Biden get Ukraine all the right weapons at the right time? That's certainly debatable. There is also the issue of whether the right weapons were even available. We weren't exactly making tons of munitions at the war's onset that were compatible with Ukrainian weapons.
Not trumpeting Trump, but his predecessor paved the way for adventurism by our adversaries, then when confronted by it responded in a slow, overly calibrated manner. Characteristic of that Admin's approach to foreign policy. Timid. Weak. See Rafah. Tried to forbid Israel from taking out the few major, undamaged Hamas brigades. Bibi did what the situation demanded and the World is a better place for it. (BTW The humanitarian pier was another black eye. Cost hundreds of millions, operated couple of months before being torn apart by weather.)
If the Biden Admin had their druthers, Hezbollah would not have been decapitated. They were just weak sauce, the World saw it, and unfortunately many have paid a dear price for it.
If the Biden Admin had their druthers, Hezbollah would not have been decapitated. They were just weak sauce, the World saw it, and unfortunately many have paid a dear price for it.
After Biden's speech in March 2022, Biden never had another major speech on the subject. He couldn't read the teleprompter.
The same assertion using different words but still lacking proof. Maybe if Biden had made more speeches as G suggests...
Well, I wasn't writing a history on Ukraine. And the famine may explain why the average Ukrainian may hate Russia, but you completely ignore why previous presidents weren't more closely focused on Ukraine.
And? How did that compare to the aid Biden provided? Did Trump not give Ukraine enough? You complained constantly about Biden and now you want to compare Trump to Obama instead
204, Don't intend to be a smart-a, but what do you want a certified statement from Putin, Xi, Rocket Man, the Ayatollah? The view is based on cause and effect, stimulus and response or however one chooses to express the sentiment as well as the subsequent time line of new World conflicts. Bullies recognize weakness.
Trouble was predicted upon the Afghan skedaddle, rather widely, foreign and domestic, and lo and behold World events unfolded as logic would lead one to believe. Perhaps the view is wrong, but don't believe it can be dismissed as Biden bashing.
Certainly a viewpoint anti-Biden forces push, but since there were approx 7 months between the 2 events I doubt the direct connection.
If we had not left Afghanistan, it could easily be argued he invaded because we were war tired and stretched to thin to jump into a second conflict.
KE- Frankly I think it is nothing more than a Republican talking point. Why not tie it to the guy who made the deal - Trump?
On 17 November 2020, acting US Secretary of Defense Christopher C. Miller announced further withdrawals of troops by 15 January 2021, leaving 2,500 troops across both Afghanistan and Iraq, down from the previous amount of 4,500 and 3,000, respectively.
Trump pulled down troops making Biden work with what he was left, or escalate troop level and risk escalate the war again.
Trump pulled down troops making Biden work with what he was left, or escalate troop level and risk escalate the war again.
Part of the agreement. US would eventually withdraw. Other side was Taliban would stand down. They did. Zero US casualties in 18 months preceding Abbey Gate. Raises another question, what were we thinking removing almost all troops before we pulled out our diplomats, NGOs, and civilians along with those of our NATO allies? That is on Biden. This is a fact, nobody's partisan talking point.
KE- As I said before, if you want to criticize the handling of the actual withdrawal have at it. But to try to argue correlation/causation to Putin's invasion of Ukraine - that's what I identified as a R talking point. I could just as easily argue Trump inviting the Taliban to Camp David caused the invasion and I'd have the same amount of proof - zero.
Trump wanted to claim he had ended America's longest war, he put Biden and the US in a tight corner with little options. Then he continued to apply public pressure to make himself look as if he ended the war. He left Biden with inadequate troops to complete the deal properly, he knew Biden would not want to escalate. Trump only stopped taking credit when the corner collapsed with Abbey Gate.
Timeline of U.S. Withdrawal from Afghanistan - FactCheck.org
We lay out many of the key diplomatic decisions, military actions, presidential pronouncements and expert assessments of the withdrawal agreement that ended the U.S. military's 20-year war in Afghanistan.
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Biden was the Commander in Chief - couldn't dispatch more troops temporarily to salvage a dignified exit that protected our folks and those of our allies, NATO and Afghans? (He did send more troops, but way too few, way too late, and placed them in what was by then a nearly impossible defensive position.) Makes the point - ineptitude and weakness on the World stage. No one got fired. Zero accountability.
His hands were no more tied in Afghanistan than they were in making an effort to protect our border from millions of scarcely vetted folks walking across. Have paid a price for that in innocent citizens' blood as well as military blood at Abbey Gate. Convenient excuse, "oh, we can't do anything". No, you chose not to do anything, mistakenly, on both counts.
His hands were no more tied in Afghanistan than they were in making an effort to protect our border from millions of scarcely vetted folks walking across. Have paid a price for that in innocent citizens' blood as well as military blood at Abbey Gate. Convenient excuse, "oh, we can't do anything". No, you chose not to do anything, mistakenly, on both counts.
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As Commander in Chief, Biden could have addressed all of these issues. Biden wanted to withdraw, before the anniversary of Sept 11. He made the decision, against the advice of his commanders and advisers. No, Joe Biden owns the Afghan debacle. His weaknesses cost Biden his domestic agenda and ultimately the Presidency.Trump wanted to claim he had ended America's longest war, he put Biden and the US in a tight corner with little options. Then he continued to apply public pressure to make himself look as if he ended the war. He left Biden with inadequate troops to complete the deal properly, he knew Biden would not want to escalate. Trump only stopped taking credit when the corner collapsed with Abbey Gate.
Timeline of U.S. Withdrawal from Afghanistan - FactCheck.org
We lay out many of the key diplomatic decisions, military actions, presidential pronouncements and expert assessments of the withdrawal agreement that ended the U.S. military's 20-year war in Afghanistan.
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