2 years ago, but fair to ask. I think Jacob, Nate, and Grant are pretty much the same defensively as they were 2 seasons ago. We kind of know what we are getting from them. I mentioned on another thread the difference could be as simple as Blake and Nick with one torn ACL being better defensively than Tyler and Nick with 2 torn ACLs.
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I would say the same. As some have pointed out with Zay about his offense…he hasn’t been looking to score and he can. I will say the same with Dji. The biggest criticism with Dji has been(If I’m allowed to say it) is he needs to be more aggressive and that is coming from just about everyone close to him, me, trainer, coaches. He avg almost triple double in HS so he can score. I personally think(If I’m allowed too 😉) only getting 4-5 min a game so far…Dji isn't going to come in and try and take over offensively. Right now his best attribute is playing defense and if given a significant shot, then we could possibly be better defensively. How do you guys feel about our rotations so far? I feel is if Coach is looking for a right combo but unfortunately we haven’t made adjustments. Is it simply too many bodies? Some guys just can’t go 2-3 min and be effective…thoughts?
I feel like the starters should have fresh legs at the game's end, however coach wants to accomplish that.
Dji played 67 total minutes last year when there was a boatload of minutes available. I never expected him to get much time this season based on that.
Goose should get most possible minutes as soon as ready. Then go Wilson & Crabtree and Grace/Sal when Golden needs breather. When we looked our best in 19-20 it was imo when Goose was getting consistent minutes.
I debate w VT4700 as much as the next guy but he does make some good points. I think he was a play a short bench guy.
Goose should get most possible minutes as soon as ready. Then go Wilson & Crabtree and Grace/Sal when Golden needs breather. When we looked our best in 19-20 it was imo when Goose was getting consistent minutes.
I debate w VT4700 as much as the next guy but he does make some good points. I think he was a play a short bench guy.
I don’t think the coach does know it. If he does, why is he starting? And, knowing Mooney, I would be extremely shocked if the starting lineup changes next game
I expressed this before as my main concern coming into the season, and it is clear to a lot of us, but I think the biggest issue is that Mooney cares much more about offense than defense, as far as rotations go. He will pull a guy for bad offense real quick, but there’s not a similar pattern for defense. Otherwise, we’d have a much different rotation.
It was obvious to anyone with a functioning eyeball that Wilson needed to be in the game as much as possible yesterday for his defense. And Burton needed to get an earful for his utter lack of it. But there was no accountability. And I do t see that changing.
So I would be playing Zay and Dji a lot more, but I don’t see it happening.
It was obvious to anyone with a functioning eyeball that Wilson needed to be in the game as much as possible yesterday for his defense. And Burton needed to get an earful for his utter lack of it. But there was no accountability. And I do t see that changing.
So I would be playing Zay and Dji a lot more, but I don’t see it happening.
I think you nailed it. If you are not playing well defensively then you should come out, no matter who you are. Doesn’t mean you can’t return, but if you have willing defenders, guys that are willing to give it their all, they need to get a look. We rely so much on the Srs for everything, and I think this will not help us next year. We lose 6 Srs maybe more and what if Burton leaves(pro)? Then all the young guys are thrust into the fire. Then this board will surely have a meltdown. You don’t sacrifice the present for the future but it’s fine line in college bbball.
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there will be no meltdown next year. Mooney won’t be here if this NCAA or bust year goes bust. He’s coaching for this year only & we all know that. Next year is a rebuild regardless & if there is a mass exodus nobody will care bc we have a new coach which is more important.
I agree, no way Burton stays. He can take his two years anywhere in the country he wants and get in the playoffs.
Or, he can stay here and be THE guy, light up the stat sheet and maybe flirt with A-10 POY. Sounds a lot better than just being another guy at a power conference school.
So my starting lineup is:
Gilyard
Bailey
Burton
Cayo
Grant
If Burton or Cayo aren’t playing good D I’m bringing in Crabtree to light a fire.
CM, you will get a pass from the board to immediately hook someone for playing bad defense. You used to do that, not sure what changed.
Gilyard
Bailey
Burton
Cayo
Grant
If Burton or Cayo aren’t playing good D I’m bringing in Crabtree to light a fire.
CM, you will get a pass from the board to immediately hook someone for playing bad defense. You used to do that, not sure what changed.
Anywhere in the country - I seriously doubt it. He is a very athletic player, but I think some of his greatness is simply because the Spiders baseline for athleticism is so low. Glad he chose UR, but I think the hype is way ahead of the development.
Not saying there isn’t a school out there who would like to poach him, but it isn’t every NCAA bound school. Also, chance is just as good that he stays. A Mooney strength seems to be player loyalty and CM has been praising Burton for years. If Mooney gets the boot, then it would be more likely. Of course, the entire team makeup would likely be very different in that scenario.
Maybe this was because of the pride CM had in the now abandoned match up zone, although I don’t recall seeing a CM defensive play hook, since I started going to games about 10 years ago. Perhaps I wasn’t paying enough attention.
This was before then. You’ll find this surprising but the D in CMs early tenure was actually quite good. We ran a slower pace overall but even with that the guys were really good at frustrating opponents and it took good teams awhile to figure out how to break us down.
I disagree, I think it was more teams didn't see the match up and took time to figure it out.
I’d rather tell my kids and grandkids how I made the tournament as a key contributor on a team than miss the tournament but say I had some good stats if they want to look that up
Can we not talk about Tyler transferring please. Geez.
Completely agree. Remember when Fore left for Louisville? Made no sense at the time and don’t think it worked out as expected.
u see Burton as a nba draft pick in 2022?
if we have 2 all time Spiders, plus a nba pick, plus all that other experience...and we still get nothing done then we might have the worst coach in all of college bball.
No I’m not saying that and I have no inside info on that. I’m just saying it could be a possibility. This board along with media have said he is an nba prospect. Sorry for not making that clear.
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Well, sounds you like and the rest of the staff have your work cut out for you then huh?
He took a step back offensively, but he got to dance and be a starter playing ACC teams every night. Seems pretty clear he had already accomplished everything he could at UR.
Problem Burton will have next season - is he will have no help and defenses will aim to stop him. Much easier to stop or make it difficult for 1 guy, when you don't have to worry about the rest of the team beating you. So does he want to potentially take that beating as well as be on a team that has little to zero chance of ANY postseason for the remainder of his career. Yes - he might put up good numbers, might be in the race for A10 POY - but how many A10 POY come from middle of the pack teams (5-8 finish).
If he were looking to leave - he would need to find a mid-level ACC team, that he can start on and maybe he is the guy that pushes them over the top and into the tourney. Maybe a VA Tech?
If he were looking to leave - he would need to find a mid-level ACC team, that he can start on and maybe he is the guy that pushes them over the top and into the tourney. Maybe a VA Tech?
I had DVR problems so didn't see the game for the first time in many years.
obviously we have concerns with Nick. I'm only looking at stats so I need your eyes, but do we have concerns with Nathan this year?
someone posted about sitting Nick and having Burton defend the 2 with Crabtree at the 3 so we don't have questionable shooters at the 2 and 4 spots. but if Nathan isn't right, we could go the other way.
move Burton to the 4 defensively with Crabtree at the 3 and either Wilson or Dji at the 2. that gives us 4 shooters on the floor, better defense at the 2, and I believe Burton would be more successful defending the opposing 4 even if he's undersized a little.
obviously we have concerns with Nick. I'm only looking at stats so I need your eyes, but do we have concerns with Nathan this year?
someone posted about sitting Nick and having Burton defend the 2 with Crabtree at the 3 so we don't have questionable shooters at the 2 and 4 spots. but if Nathan isn't right, we could go the other way.
move Burton to the 4 defensively with Crabtree at the 3 and either Wilson or Dji at the 2. that gives us 4 shooters on the floor, better defense at the 2, and I believe Burton would be more successful defending the opposing 4 even if he's undersized a little.
First, it may have been merciful you didn’t have to watch ours expense Friday night.
But to answer your question, Nate is definitely off. Perhaps more attributable to him pressing and taking or being forced to take tougher shots. But he’s been largely no presence in both games.
I’m starting to like the idea of Bailey more and more.
It’s amazing how different Wilson and Bailey’s games are. Wilson looks like he’s always going 110mph while Bailey is as smooth as anybody on the court. You can tell right away last year that Bailey had “it”. Hope we give these guys a shot while using Sherod to deliver daggers at appropriate times.
Dji has always had that with him. Sometimes it looks like he’s not going hard but he makes it look easy. The biggest thing is he has to be more aggressive. I like the idea of Nick coming off the bench but not sure if that would happen unless Nick convinces coach that would be best. I think Dji needs to continue to make the most of his minutes no matter how many he’s given. One thing is for sure, we have to get better defensively no matter who’s on the floor.
Nick can’t guard the 2, this should be obvious to anyone who has seen nick play going back to high school. There has now been a two game experiment to try to disprove this with no surprise result.
If nick was dropping in 14 maybe there’s an argument to be made but he’s not and there isn’t. Play someone there who can defend against opposing guards.
If nick was dropping in 14 maybe there’s an argument to be made but he’s not and there isn’t. Play someone there who can defend against opposing guards.
Thanks for the insight. I did have a big gap between high school and moving back to the Richmond area, so I missed the early CM days.
Agree, Burton is going nowhere (maybe if Mooney gets fired, but I don't see that happening). He will be "the man" next year. Though I find it hard to accept
, I agree with you on this one.
Cayo has not had a good first couple of games. He seems to be pressing a bit. I don't see the issue with him though, I know what he can do and suspect he will find his groove. The much bigger issue is Sherod and him not being 100%, which puts a ton of strain on what was already a less than stellar defense.
If Mooney could do one thing tomorrow to change that, it would be to start Wilson and bring Sherod off the bench. We need a defense first and a bit of dog mentality. Wilson has both. I'm willing to sacrifice offense for that right now.
I would just like to say that I have advocated for Dji being out starting 2 guard since the end of last year. I think he brings a crafty defensive skill set that this team needs desperately. That said, Wilson is clearly above him on the depth chart and so if we were to make a replacement in the starting line-up he would be first in line. I really like the defensive intensity that a Wilson-Gilly combo could bring.
Regardless starting Sherod should be our last option right now. I would start Wilson in front of him, I would start Dji in front of him. Sherod would be 3rd on the depth chart if I were coach. Bring Sherod off the bench, if he gets hot shooting, than we can ride him, if not, I would limit his minutes because he is such a defensive liability right now.
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