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No, this is not about the players getting caught gambling!

So here's the premise. In poker, generally you have a 5 card hand and you keep some and redraw some. Let's say you can keep up to 5 or as few as none. When you discard cards, you can draw new ones.

So, apply this to our players. Pick up to 5 players who are still eligible to keep for next year. Or you can keep less and draw from the portal to fill the remaining 5.
 
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mr.spider said:
No, this is not about the player caught gambling!

So here's the premise. In poker, generally you have a 5 card hand and you keep some and redraw some. Let's say you can keep up to 5 or as few as none. When you discard cards, you can draw new ones.

So, apply this to our players. Pick up to 5 non-seniors to keep for next year. Or you can keep less and draw from the portal to fill the remaining 5.
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But I only play hold-em ?

This could be a good thread but on a more serious not hope we write our comments realizing that some of our student athletes are close to having a Richmond degree even if they haven't necessarily met our full bball expectations.
 
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I'll go Randolph and Bigelow. Build the foundation around toughness, aggressiveness, and attitude!! Certainly Burton as well if he would actually return for his extra Covid year.

Debating on Noyes.

Note: I wouldn't keep any of the others regardless of eligibility or the coach, of course.
 
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I have trouble with doing this on a few levels. Level number 1 is - I have posted my feelings that we do have good talent on this team, and coaching is not maximizing, putting in position for success, motivating, etc them to their best self on the court. I know many don't agree that our talent is good and have stated that. So yes, I think we could replace some guys - BUT very hard to say that is the issue. Would love to see these guys with a really good coach, and add some key pieces in the portal. A Blake Francis/David Gonzo off guard that can initiate offense and score, and hit 3's for instance would likely help Jaynel (and having a year of actual experience may as well). Trevor Smith may be that guy, but let's not wait for another wasted year to find out. Another big would be great.

Here is who I would like to keep for next season: Jaynel, Dji, Roche, Walz, Randolph, NOYES, Bigelow, Quinn.

I would tell Walz and Quinn this is an open competition at the 5 spot, there are likely good minute for both, but guy playing best wins. I want to see Walz make a big jump next year. Again, the culture of " softness, no urgency, we are going to keep building on our 10 year plan" I feel makes guys like Walz not progress. He needs to want to push Quinn to the bench NOW.

Same goes for Dji / Jaynel / Smith/ Randolph/Roche (though I think Roche and Randolph can be more situational guys) , but you tell these guys: "no more time for stupid turnovers, being soft with the ball, terrible weak play on defense. This will grab you bench. Best guys play.
Bigelow - find a coach that can work with him, fix his 3pt shot. He is automatic from FT line, he had a good year or two shooting 3's. He should have this in his game, but it is broken now. Coach him up or find a trainer that can. If you can't then your role is to rebound, play D, drive to the hoop.

I think everyone slated to return can be a very good player in the A10, but we have to put them in position to be, and coach needs to demand that they do so.
 
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Here is who I would like to keep for next season: Jaynel, Dji, Roche, Walz, Randolph, NOYES, Bigelow, Quinn.
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Agreed but here is the problem. None of those guys on that list in an all-10 player, that can elevate the team to be a contending team next year. Hell, we had an all a10 player this year and we still sucked. Yes, obviously they will all get better with another year in the system but I don't see any of them being on any all conference lists next year and that is gonna be a problem.

Mooney is gonna have to find a stud in the portal, in my opinion. Which is problematic most years but really problematic this year cause he is on a leave of absence.
 
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Agreed but here is the problem. None of those guys on that list in an all-10 player, that can elevate the team to be a contending team next year. Hell, we had an all a10 player this year and we still sucked. Yes, obviously they will all get better with another year in the system but I don't see any of them being on any all conference lists next year and that is gonna be a problem.

Mooney is gonna have to find a stud in the portal, in my opinion. Which is problematic most years but really problematic this year cause he is on a leave of absence.
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Agree here. No easy solutions. Yes, the unfortunate health situation is also unfortunate to the timing of the portal too. And, I could see after this season brining in three - a situation I'm sure Mooney is uncomfortable with, he may have tried to be overly selective this year and may not have pursued the couple of studs we need hard enough anyway.
 
We’ll get a couple guys from portal hopefully good ones but I’d love to have a Reed or Durkin in the mix too. Obv hs recruiting has become less important but we really haven’t taken advantage off NCAA.
 
Every time Reed comes to mind, I go look up Tulsa and wonder how we lost him. I guess it has to be proximity, because as unhappy as we are with our own season, they just finished up their regular season at 5–24 and 1–17 in the AAC.
 
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yeah, Reed really bothers me. that should have been a perfect fit.

for next year:

post: should be solid but unspectacular. Quinn, Walz, and we'll add a guy 6'9" or better to replace Grace.

forwards: huge question mark. Bigelow should be a starter but he's regressed as the year has gone on so who knows. Noyes will have a shot at small forward or he'll fight Bigelow for the big forward role. I'm going to assume Tanner doesn't play much as a freshman but it's a winnable position. could finally go smaller with any other the 6'5" options like Roche, Randolph or Bailey playing forward instead of guard. also, our 2nd late signing will probably be a forward to compete here.

guards: another question mark but there's a good amount of talent to choose from. Smith could get considerable time right away. we still have Nelson, Bailey, Randolph and Roche so I don't think we add a guard. it's a good group with a lot of potential.

no choice but to leave Dread out. just don't know what we have there. I guess hasn't earned a shot.
 
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no choice but to leave Dread out. just don't know what we have there. I guess hasn't earned a shot.
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Not knocking him as I have been accused but just seems to me that he is prime candidate for a mid March transfer portal announcement. Besides having a brother that plays Big 10 ball, he never had much of a pedigree that said he was an A-10 level recruit and his lack of playing time is kind of validating that.
 
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Every time Reed comes to mind, I go look up Tulsa and wonder how we lost him. I guess it has to be proximity, because as unhappy as we are with our own season, they just finished up their regular season at 5–24 and 1–17 in the AAC.
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The problem is we were too good last year. if only he had waited until the conclusion of this year to see how much we suck now, we probably would have landed him.
 
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yeah, Reed really bothers me. that should have been a perfect fit.

for next year:

post: should be solid but unspectacular. Quinn, Walz, and we'll add a guy 6'9" or better to replace Grace.

forwards: huge question mark. Bigelow should be a starter but he's regressed as the year has gone on so who knows. Noyes will have a shot at small forward or he'll fight Bigelow for the big forward role. I'm going to assume Tanner doesn't play much as a freshman but it's a winnable position. could finally go smaller with any other the 6'5" options like Roche, Randolph or Bailey playing forward instead of guard. also, our 2nd late signing will probably be a forward to compete here.

guards: another question mark but there's a good amount of talent to choose from. Smith could get considerable time right away. we still have Nelson, Bailey, Randolph and Roche so I don't think we add a guard. it's a good group with a lot of potential.

no choice but to leave Dread out. just don't know what we have there. I guess hasn't earned a shot.
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I know we have a lot of good guards but none of them have proven to be consistent scorers or a commanding presence at PG. if there’s a really good PG in the portal you gotta consider that.
 
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I know we have a lot of good guards but none of them have proven to be consistent scorers or a commanding presence at PG. if there’s a really good PG in the portal you gotta consider that.
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maybe, but I personally don't recruit over Smith in the same year he's coming. I think the sales pitch to him was that he was the guard we wanted in this class. we said he could come right in and compete at the PG or even play with Nelson or Dji.

nothing's ever guaranteed, though. but I just don't expect we'll bring in a PG. and I think we have solid depth at SG. so give me a 5 and a forward.
 
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I like Nelson and think he will be a good player for us. That said, I agree with Tbone. The attitude here MUST become one of "Win every year." Frankly, it mostly has not been that during Mooney's tenure. It wasn't good then, but it's REALLY not good now, because the landscape has changed. You can't count on players being around for 4 years anymore, so win now.

If we can get a better point guard in the portal who is proven, do it. That goes for every position, by the way.
 
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maybe, but I personally don't recruit over Smith in the same year he's coming. I think the sales pitch to him was that he was the guard we wanted in this class. we said he could come right in and compete at the PG or even play with Nelson or Dji.

nothing's ever guaranteed, though. but I just don't expect we'll bring in a PG. and I think we have solid depth at SG. so give me a 5 and a forward.
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Oh I’m for sure with you on big men first. I just don’t have the same faith as you in our PG options.
 
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Oh I’m for sure with you on big men first. I just don’t have the same faith as you in our PG options.
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I agree the guys returning haven't locked anything up. but Smith is supposed to be very good. one of those 3 "should" be stronger next year than what we had this season.
 
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Can I draw 4 new cards if I have an ace?

Noyes is my ace.
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Let's slow the role on Noyes. We saw him play have a game. Yeah, I think he has potential, yes Mooney committed coaching malpractice by not playing him, but I doubt even Mooney is dumb enough to let some stud rot away on the bench all year and not play him.
 
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Let's slow the role on Noyes. We saw him play have a game. Yeah, I think he has potential, yes Mooney committed coaching malpractice by not playing him, but I doubt even Mooney is dumb enough to let some stud rot away on the bench all year and not play him.
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You have way more faith in Mooney than I. Dumb no, stubborn yes.
 
Remember all those games Tyler played 40 minutes and maybe was a little gassed at the end on FTs or final shot attempts? Maybe Noyes playing 4-5 minutes for Tyler to get a breather could have helped both situations.

Agree that don't overreact based upon initial game experience, but Noyes certainly didn't look overwhelmed by being in, or afraid to make plays. Feel like many guys come in initially with an attitude of don't make mistakes, play only within system (which means just pass the ball) and make no impact. He made an impact.
 
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Right, St. Joe's announcers were like, that may be the play of the year in this arena. Nothing I haven't done on a 5 foot nerf hoop by the way :).

I would also submit that dunk by Bigelow earlier in the season. He drove down the lane and posterized the hell out of someone. At that point in the season, I was still quite optimistic - and was thinking the Burton - Bigs duo could carry us to the top of the A10. The Noyes hoop and then 3 ball gives some optimism for the future - so both were great plays, definitely top 5 type of plays.
 
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I like Nelson and think he will be a good player for us. That said, I agree with Tbone. The attitude here MUST become one of "Win every year." Frankly, it mostly has not been that during Mooney's tenure. It wasn't good then, but it's REALLY not good now, because the landscape has changed. You can't count on players being around for 4 years anymore, so win now.

If we can get a better point guard in the portal who is proven, do it. That goes for every position, by the way.
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Nelson reminds me of Petey from Remember the Titans. Mooney yells at him and slumps his shoulders, looks down and sulks to the bench.
 
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Remember all those games Tyler played 40 minutes and maybe was a little gassed at the end on FTs or final shot attempts? Maybe Noyes playing 4-5 minutes for Tyler to get a breather could have helped both situations.
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Couldn’t agree more. Why Noyes did not get spot minutes that would help him adjust to the college game is because Burton was getting all 40 minutes, especially at the beginning of the year. I am sure Noyes was being held out because he is still learning the system as well as to get stronger. However, did anyone see Chet Holmgren last year? I dare say he had a similar physique.

I can already hear the responses to this post “how can you take Burton out of the game”? It comes down to the CM system doesn’t rely on the wing player, so there is no reason he shouldn’t come out for a few minutes. The team was not going to implode without him. We even saw it in numerous games when Tyler was out injured. I don’t recall the first game when that happened, but I think it was somewhat of a turning point where CM realized that he could give Burton some rest.

For the conspiracy theorists, perhaps Mooney didn’t play Noyes because he knew he couldn’t “find him minutes” with the current roster and he didn’t want any video evidence of his raw talent. No need to give any other teams reasons to come calling. Cat may be out of the bag now.
 
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I doubt Noyes is going to be on the list of transfer targets for bigger programs. Can you imagine the reaction of this board if Mooney brought in a recruit who played less than 60 minutes of game time in his 2 years at a program, magnify that by 10 for any BCS level program. I'm sure if he is interested, he would find other mid-major programs of lesser stature than us that would be interested.
 
I fold.

"Sir, you don't want to draw?"

Nope.

"But you just re-bought 4 more years worth of chips."

Yes, well, after underachieving for 30 hands or so, I had that amazing streak where I won 5 hands in a row, and each pot was bigger than the last.

"Of course, we changed the rules so you could have a bunch of wild cards."

Can I get a new dealer? Move to a table with weaker opponents? Get those wild cards back that you removed from the deck?

"I'm sorry sir, you've committed to Table A10."

I fold.
 
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I am sure Noyes was being held out because he is still learning the system as well as to get stronger. However, did anyone see Chet Holmgren last year? I dare say he had a similar physique.
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I keep reading how thin Noyes is.
he doesn't look overly thin to me at all. especially for a perimeter player. maybe next to Tyler, but Tyler's jacked.
 
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Let's slow the role on Noyes. We saw him play have a game. Yeah, I think he has potential, yes Mooney committed coaching malpractice by not playing him, but I doubt even Mooney is dumb enough to let some stud rot away on the bench all year and not play him.
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Not anointing Noyes as an All-American is obviously correct. However, some knew from the first time that we saw him that his potential was high, AND, that he needed to be on the floor to develop.

Mooney is the one whose vision wasn't clear, and Mooney is the one who mismanaged Noyes' playing time. Only 2-things will hinder his development at this point. 1) Mooney continues to undervalue him (doesn't play him like he should), or, 2) Noyes gets fed up with the lack of opportunity and enters the portal.

If he gets the opportunity, I am confident that Noyes will continue to grow and impress. This does not mean that he won't struggle some and have some games that may not be that great. It is part of the development process. But, just as I did before, I am calling for more Noyes. He has the most upside of any player on the roster (Burton of course, but he is likely gone).
 
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