Official hot seat thread Mooney
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He has nobody to blame except himself & his stagnant approach to coaching. I'm sick of enablers, hanger-ons, and all the justification made up to keep him around forever as we go nowhere.
I believe it. Let's celebrate winning when VCU has kicked our ass 22 out of 30 and we have a chance to do something special. Damn.
Check off the box...Howland is out at Mississippi State, another victim of the Spider curse.
Ha, doesn't pay to play the Spiders I guess.
And Mooney not going anywhere in the near future. We are stuck with him, and he is stuck with us president/AD letter writing, petition signing, billboard lighting fans for the next 10 years it would seem
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I guess we better both get used to it and make the most of it.
And Mooney not going anywhere in the near future. We are stuck with him, and he is stuck with us president/AD letter writing, petition signing, billboard lighting fans for the next 10 years it would seem
.I guess we better both get used to it and make the most of it.
Ha, doesn't pay to play the Spiders I guess.
And Mooney not going anywhere in the near future. We are stuck with him, and he is stuck with us president/AD letter writing, petition signing, billboard lighting fans for the next 10 years it would seem
I guess we better both get used to it and make the most of it.
god I hope not. Not 10 more years at least.
How about you just be happy for the day, and celebrate the amazing week we've all enjoyed.
If we win Saturday, we will have paid for 3 years of Mooney in one week...
"He" has paid. All we have done is bitch myself included occasionally.
This is what we pay him for. ROI.
I didn't mean we the fans. I meant we the players and we the institution...
I saw that Calipari has been payed $27 million since his last tourney win. We only paid Mooney half that between wins, pretty good deal.
That’s crazy. Also just wanted to point out that VCU’s last tourney win was 6 years ago
Great point, but it won’t stop me from hating on VCU 🤣
If this is the beginning of a long trend of NCAA appearances, I'm sure we'd be happy with 10 more yrs....
just sharing more info on prevalence of buyouts, as needed for schools for some type of safeguards. U get into Kim English contract & the school would owe him 50 cents on the dollar for years 4 & 5. There really should be no way Mooney’s most recent extension didn’t have one nor no way a future one wouldn’t.
https://gmufourthestate.com/2021/04...s-basketball-head-coach-kim-english-released/
https://gmufourthestate.com/2021/04...s-basketball-head-coach-kim-english-released/
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Hardt refuses to address contract situation, but speaks glowingly of Mooney's performance and looks forward to "future seasons under his leadership."
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If Chris Mooney's UR deal is changing after A-10 title, NCAA win, school's not saying
Coaches whose teams win championships are often rewarded with improved contract terms.
Hardt refuses to address contract situation, but speaks glowingly of Mooney's performance and looks forward to "future seasons under his leadership."
If Chris Mooney's UR deal is changing after A-10 title, NCAA win, school's not saying
Coaches whose teams win championships are often rewarded with improved contract terms.
in other words, 10 more years of mediocrity with a carrot dangled in front of us like the last couple of weeks in March.
He is getting an extension and a raise. You don't win the A10 and win an NCAA game and not get one. This is all a part of the big machine of college athletics. You have to do it either because he deserves it, which he does to an extent, and you have to do it to show your investment in athletics and basketball to keep up with your competition and send the right message in case you ever need a coach.
Imagine if we do nothing, and just say - lets keep the terms the same, and see what you do in the next 2 years. And lets say next 2 years, no NCAA or NIT bids, which is good possibility. And UR lets him go. How do you explain to coaches you interviewed - yeah, we let go our all time winningest coach, and didn't give him anything after he won the A10 tourney, and won an NCAA game.
You give him an extension and a raise. And in 2 years, if your not happy with performance - you can still fire him - but you pay the buyout or guarantee and move on. But of course - that means money spent by UR, so no way that do it.
He gets extension, he gets a raise and expect Mooney to be around for at least 5 years. And here is another possibility - it all works out. What if he makes another NCAA tourney in the next 5 years???
Imagine if we do nothing, and just say - lets keep the terms the same, and see what you do in the next 2 years. And lets say next 2 years, no NCAA or NIT bids, which is good possibility. And UR lets him go. How do you explain to coaches you interviewed - yeah, we let go our all time winningest coach, and didn't give him anything after he won the A10 tourney, and won an NCAA game.
You give him an extension and a raise. And in 2 years, if your not happy with performance - you can still fire him - but you pay the buyout or guarantee and move on. But of course - that means money spent by UR, so no way that do it.
He gets extension, he gets a raise and expect Mooney to be around for at least 5 years. And here is another possibility - it all works out. What if he makes another NCAA tourney in the next 5 years???
Trap, I think you are continuing to put far too much emphasis on this perceived slight that would somehow scare other coaches away in the future. "How do you explain no extension..." I mean, the guy has been here 17 years. If we let him finish this deal, that's 19 years. He has 3 tourney appearances. You could easily argue that every other school in a multi-bid league already would have fired him. No one will be scared away that we didn't extend him another time after two decades.
Instead, we were nice and let him stay -- and hey! He won the league and a tourney game. If I am overpaid and underproductive at my job for a decade, then I have one very good year, am I getting a raise? Or would my employer say, OK, great! A couple more years like this and we're closer to getting even here.
We probably will give him some type of extension but I don't think we have any obligation to do so, nor will not doing so scare away any future coach.
Instead, we were nice and let him stay -- and hey! He won the league and a tourney game. If I am overpaid and underproductive at my job for a decade, then I have one very good year, am I getting a raise? Or would my employer say, OK, great! A couple more years like this and we're closer to getting even here.
We probably will give him some type of extension but I don't think we have any obligation to do so, nor will not doing so scare away any future coach.
I think if we do move on from him it shows commitment to excellence, and the tale of the tape right now says that we don’t have a commitment to excellence if we keep doing the same thing over and over and expect different results.
Guys, I signed the petition and believe the program could potentially be better with a new leader at the helm.
With that said, I can definitely also make the argument that the program is trending in the right direction. Mooney deserves credit for recruiting this most recent team and putting a winning product on the court the last 3 years. I firmly believe our ‘19-20 team would have made the tournament and actually would have made a deep run to the Sweet 16 / Elite 8. I recognize this is speculation, but you can’t simply ignore it either. Last year was an anomaly with those Covid pauses and truncated schedule, but the reality is the last two full years our team has won 24 games and been very competitive.
Again, I was as disappointed as anybody in the results during the regular season but the conference tourney exists for a reason and a lot of the wrongs were made right during this stretch.
Continuing to make the same arguments you were making two months ago now is irrelevant and do not hold water.
Every coach that wins their conference tourney and wins a game in the A10 has probably always gotten an extension, raise, or left for another job (moving up).
If we are the first one to fire or get rid of the coach, or do nothing and let him continue on a lame duck deal - its a not a good look for our program.
I am not saying you got to double his salary or give him 10 more years, but small increase, maybe bigger incentives, and tack on 3 years to get him to 5 years total - that would be suffice.
If we are the first one to fire or get rid of the coach, or do nothing and let him continue on a lame duck deal - its a not a good look for our program.
I am not saying you got to double his salary or give him 10 more years, but small increase, maybe bigger incentives, and tack on 3 years to get him to 5 years total - that would be suffice.
I would certainly wait and see what kind of players he gets from the portal. Does he get a few players to save next season or does he squander another NCAA appearance?
You could easily explain why an extension or raise wasn't given. 3 NCAA in 17 years and none in a decade are certainly valid reasons. You say these kind of results are unacceptable moving forward at UR and that 1 run in the A10 tournament, while great, doesn't make up for the poor results and lack of NCAA tournament appearances over the past nearly 2 decades. Seems very logical and easy to explain to me.
Exactly. And as others have pointed out, if not for Covid, the team leaders wouldn't have been here this year, and it's highly doubtful w/out them we'd have won the conf tournament or had an NCAA bid. They played huge roles.
Others have previously pointed out that we may have been in position for an NCAA bid the year it was cancelled. So, there's no need to rehash that debate, other than to give some credence to the historical perspective. But the fact is we wouldn't have had these guys in both years. So you can't have it both ways with that year and this year.
I agree 100% with your 17 year statement. And more importantly, we can't whitewash & dismiss the prior 10 or 11 years with no conf championship nor NCAA appearance. Fact is one year doesn't negate the prior 10 or 11 unless you live only in the present & dismiss all things that occurred prior. I'm of that school that says intermediate and long term evaluations are greater than the current & short term criteria.
You can easily explain it to the disgruntled fans. But good luck explaining it to the new coach on your wish list you want to hire. That new coach moving up the ladder will see right away - athletics is not a priority, and will either pass on us - or demand an even bigger salary, knowing - I better get the money out of them when I can because even if I win the A10 or win in the NCAA, I might get nothing in return.
Your arguments are valid - in a business sense, but remember college athletics operate in a vacuum. Many times now you spend money and do things simply to keep up with your peers, not because you should or need things. Practice facility - do we need one? No one else uses the Robins Center than the women's team. Maybe at other schools that have volleyball, hold concerts, etc - it might make sense to have a dedicated facility for basketball - but when you only have 2 teams competing to use the court - really? But if you don't have a practice facility these days - your looked down upon. Flying private charter planes. When it started - it was looked at like you need these to get the kids back in class as soon as possible after games. But the reality is - the worry is not about these kids missing class - its about keeping up with everyone else who flies private. I am willing to bet when these kids fly private and get home at 2 am from the game the night before - they are not worried about waking up for their 815 am class.
Disagree, it would be the easiest thing ever to explain to a potential coach. We stuck by our last coach for 18 years and we are investing in you for the long-term. Everybody is going to judge their contract based on the current offer, not a “what if” scenario, unless there is explicit incentivizes in the contract.
I say give the raise, give the extension, and if we don't at least make an NIT in the next 2-3 years, then you can think about firing him AND PAY OUT the contract remainder or BUYOUT (if one is negotiated in extension) - the days of trying to let a deal run out are over.
And a HIGHLY IMPROBABLE trip to NCAA's at that. They won the conference tourney, good for them, glad for them, can never be taken away from that team (players).
However, it isn't like they (or Mooney) beat highly ranked teams, were ranked in top 20 all year, or won the conference regular season going away. They weren't dominate, all-in-all the season was very blah, disappointing to most. It is unrealistic to insinuate that Mooney suddenly turned it all around, therefore his "improbable result" should earn him a big raise and extension.
As others have said, if Mooney follows this season with consistent NCAA appearances, then I will be onboard with giving him his due. That means money and an extension.
Until, or unless that happens, the school would be foolish to reward him (again) for one improbable result in 11-years. That is the same mistake they made when they rewarded him with a 10-year contract following 2-good results in his first 6-years (7 if you include Air Force).
If the school is crazy enough to play that game, then a reasonable question would be to ask how much they penalized him for the 14-years of not-as-good results. We all know the answer.
How can you be disappointed by this season? The goal is always to make the NCAAs, win the A10, and beat VCU. We did all of that. Our win against VCU even knocked them out of the NCAAs! And we won a tournament game against a top 20 team! Of course the regular season could have been better, but the final two weeks of the season more than made up for it. The A10 tournament through the first round of the NCAAs was probably the best 5 game stretch in Richmond basketball history.
