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Good question. Some of us would throw money into the pool if we knew that it would help.Do we know that there are deep pockets funding $$$ the Spider Collective? Wondering if throwing a hundo or two even matters.
I think the short answer is no, you don't get information in return. you give to a collective because you want to help make a difference while someone else makes the decisions. if you want to give specifically to a player, I think there are ways to do that outside of the collective.All money helps - even the hundred or $200. BUT - I think a question that has not been answered is if you give money to the collective, do you get information in return - sort of like of a shareholder - like where is the money going, what players are getting what, what are the plans for the future, etc? Do just ask someone - give me money blindly with no say or idea of the direction, lends itself to just the big donors who can request that meeting or seat at the table that the $200 donor doesn't get, but those $200 donors can add up quickly.
SF, Thank you. I'm just curious as to why the Opendorse thing can be openly promoted by our AD and the collective has to have this layer of separation, when they both are essentially doing the same thing.The Opendorse thing is a marketplace, so yes, you can work with individual athletes, typically for low-dollar things. That launched a year ago and was really what the spirit of NIL was envisioned as being. "Pay an athlete $100 to make an appearance at my event."
Spiders NIL is a collective where the rich folks pool their money to buy off players, so that's where the real money changes hands.
I agree with that assessment 97 - but with the collective, I think when you give, even if $100 - you should get some information either beforehand or afterwards to summarize where they money went or is going or what the overall strategy is when targeting players.SF, Thank you. I'm just curious as to why the Opendorse thing can be openly promoted by our AD and the collective has to have this layer of separation, when they both are essentially doing the same thing.
For me, if I had $100, I would want to go through Opendorse because I could direct it to the athlete of my choice vs. giving it to the big boys to pool to go buy themselves a player. But I suppose giving it the big boys will probably pay larger dividends for the program because they can pool a larger amount and to go get us a ringer.
haven't heard about that. that's crazy.I wonder if we're involved in the latest insanity of schools having to pony up NIL money to recruits to get them to even make an official visit. Can't imagine we are.
“A practice of asking a school for a fee to simply visit campus has emerged; asking for $5,000 just to visit has become common. During visits, discussions now emerge regarding how much a student-athlete can expect from NIL," Smith wrote in his testimony.
I don't blame the kids - they are getting what the system and market allows them to get. Should head coaches turn down multimillion dollar offers because they know they will be overpaid? No - they should take the best offer they can get. And so - if a kid can "legally" within the rules get a $5,000 payment to make a visit - go for it. If the kid can get thousands of dollars in NIL money when at the school - get it. Its not the kid or players place to say - this is wrong, or this is too much, etc. They are getting what the system allows.These kids are not looking for colleges, they're looking for sugar daddies.
Good point - think there are still limits on OFFICIAL visits, but UNOFFICIAL - can make as many as you want. Also - I think the 5K must be in a state where they have NIL option for HS kids, not all states have passed that law. Not sure if VA is one of them - but if it were, we could have a kid visit from Virginia to UR, and then our collective or a donor who runs a business, could pay the kid 5K to make an instagram post about their car dealership, pizza shop, etc and pay them 5K for those services (but really - pay them for the visit).At 5k a pop I would visit every D1 school 🤣
Nope, official visits are now unlimited other than one per school per junior and senior year. If there's a coaching change, you can do another one at the same school.Good point - think there are still limits on OFFICIAL visits, but UNOFFICIAL - can make as many as you want.
Right - but before, I think kids went to Gonzaga because of the name, brand, they played a national OOC schedule, etc. BUT - I wonder if now, do they suffer under NIL, because a mid-tier ACC school or SEC school, with a heavy football program and NIL pockets, can pay more for the recruit than Gonzaga can. Before - if was an easier decision to pick Gonzaga over, say a school like Wake Forest, Vandy, or Nebraska, etc. But what if those schools can offer substantially more in NIL Money than Gonzaga - does that now sway those recruits at that level. Gonzaga is the better basketball school, but in 4 years time - they look at NIL money to be made in a better conference now?the power schools (and I consider Gonzaga a power school based on their successes) have nationally recognizable players. when you're nationally recognizable and have a huge social media following, the NIL money doesn't just come from boosters.
Drew Timme said he was making more at Gonzaga than he could if he went pro. per SI.com, he had signed contracts with Dollar Shave Club, Beats by Dre, Continental Tires, Barstool Gonzaga, Northern Quest Resort & Casino, and Walker's Furniture.
Agreed - and with football leading all causes now, I wonder if schools that are mediocre in basketball but have a big football program - do they reap benefits of potential NIL?agreed. if a school can put together a bigger NIL package, I think most will go that way. it's usually a close call between your top schools. you can't be certain which is the better choice. NIL is the tie breaker.
True - but they bring in so much money. I wonder if we will begin to see scandals where athletic departments funnel some of their own money to these NIL collectives? Anonymous donors maybe? Kinda like giving to a policital PAC - there are a lot of ways to hide your money.can't say for sure, but big time football programs are going to eat up a lot of NIL money.
Without a doubt this will and is probably already happening. Some will get caught by a disgrunted whistleblower, most will not though. And I am absolutely failing to see how the recruitment process and NIL can be remain seperate as they are so intertwined, a kid is gonna wanna know how much their NIL sugar daddy is gonna give them before committing.True - but they bring in so much money. I wonder if we will begin to see scandals where athletic departments funnel some of their own money to these NIL collectives? Anonymous donors maybe? Kinda like giving to a policital PAC - there are a lot of ways to hide your money.
100% - NIL and recruiting are intertwined. But there is no way to un-twine it. Just like you couldn't stop bags of cash being handed to players in the past. How can you stop cash that can be passed legally to a player - but you just have a conversation behind a closed door as to when the player will receive the money. Impossible.Without a doubt this will and is probably already happening. Some will get caught by a disgrunted whistleblower, most will not though. And I am absolutely failing to see how the recruitment process and NIL can be remain seperate as they are so intertwined, a kid is gonna wanna know how much their NIL sugar daddy is gonna give them before committing.
This is the same argument I was making in the Noah thread that you seemed to be disputing over there. Not trying to be obtuse, just wondering if I missed something in your arguments there where you were saying that things like SEC schedule would be a factor in S. Carolina vs UR type decisions and I was saying NIL NIL NIL?agreed. if a school can put together a bigger NIL package, I think most will go that way. it's usually a close call between your top schools. you can't be certain which is the better choice. NIL is the tie breaker.
UR could get a recruit over a school like SC if we match or exceed their NIL. some might still choose the SEC school for a number of reasons, but yes some might take a big UR NIL.This is the same argument I was making in the Noah thread that you seemed to be disputing over there. Not trying to be obtuse, just wondering if I missed something in your arguments there where you were saying that things like SEC schedule would be a factor in S. Carolina vs UR type decisions and I was saying NIL NIL NIL?
Agree - UR is not getting the "eyeball" NIL deals as you describe. Just not happening at UR or most A10 programs for that matter. And - at this point in time with our NIL, it appears (cause there is a lack of information) that the UR NIL Collective is really supported by PQ and a few friends. And I think its unrealistic to believe that they have pooled together a couple million dollars to "outspend" programs bigger than UR and possibly "steal" a recruit from a school like SC to UR with a bigger NIL package. What amounts they are giving - who knows. But I would guess its not above 100K for any one single athlete.UR could get a recruit over a school like SC if we match or exceed their NIL. some might still choose the SEC school for a number of reasons, but yes some might take a big UR NIL.
I think people here are dreaming with the numbers they throw out as to how much UR will be able to get a kid in NIL. to me it seems the UR NIL is almost exclusively PQ. maybe with a handful of others. we aren't actively attracting donations like big schools do. if PQ single-handedly chooses to outspend P5 NIL's who have 10 times our alumni, then sure we're in the ballgame.
also consider that most NIL deals aren't just alumni donations in collectives (see Timme deals). those come from eyeballs watching a player and high social media followings. we don't have a lot of eyeballs watching UR. every college basketball fan knows Drew Timme. nobody outside the A10 knew Tyler Burton ... though a ton more will this year because he's at a high profile program.