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Good question. Some of us would throw money into the pool if we knew that it would help.
All money helps - even the hundred or $200. BUT - I think a question that has not been answered is if you give money to the collective, do you get information in return - sort of like of a shareholder - like where is the money going, what players are getting what, what are the plans for the future, etc? Do just ask someone - give me money blindly with no say or idea of the direction, lends itself to just the big donors who can request that meeting or seat at the table that the $200 donor doesn't get, but those $200 donors can add up quickly.
I think the short answer is no, you don't get information in return. you give to a collective because you want to help make a difference while someone else makes the decisions. if you want to give specifically to a player, I think there are ways to do that outside of the collective.
I am not saying give specifically to a player. Its no different than giving to the Spider Club. I can give and I can point my donation in a specific direction or if I give enough, I can make certain restrictions on my donation such as "must be used to fund new practice facility" etc. BUT - if I just give to the general athletics fund, at the end of the year - they produce a report that shows how much money they took in and what it was used for. Just so the general donation person has a good sense or feel for where the money is going and feels good about the progress to give more money next year.
I think the collective has to do the same for the small donors. Just provide general updates on where the money is going, who it is helping, maybe how much money they have received and given out, etc. There has to be some transparency.
BUT I agree - not to the point of - I want my $200 to do directly to Neil Quinn. If you want to give money directly to a specific player through the collective, then I would assume you need to come through with a big donation in order to do so. Otherwise - you fall in line with the rest. But I do think sharing information is key, otherwise - people donating to the collective have no trust or faith there money is being used at all or in the manner they throught it would be used.
I think the collective has to do the same for the small donors. Just provide general updates on where the money is going, who it is helping, maybe how much money they have received and given out, etc. There has to be some transparency.
BUT I agree - not to the point of - I want my $200 to do directly to Neil Quinn. If you want to give money directly to a specific player through the collective, then I would assume you need to come through with a big donation in order to do so. Otherwise - you fall in line with the rest. But I do think sharing information is key, otherwise - people donating to the collective have no trust or faith there money is being used at all or in the manner they throught it would be used.
I'm confused we have our NIL which was started by Queally and his boys. Below
https://spidersnil.com/
But then we also have this website that is being actively promoted by our athletic department, where if you want to do as Trap suggests and donate to a specific player, you can do that.
https://opendorse.com/richmond-spiders?accountIdentifiers=StudentAthlete
What is the difference between the two. Why is the second one being actively promoted by our athletic department and the one run by Queally seemed to have more separation between the NIL and our AD.
https://spidersnil.com/
But then we also have this website that is being actively promoted by our athletic department, where if you want to do as Trap suggests and donate to a specific player, you can do that.
https://opendorse.com/richmond-spiders?accountIdentifiers=StudentAthlete
What is the difference between the two. Why is the second one being actively promoted by our athletic department and the one run by Queally seemed to have more separation between the NIL and our AD.
The Opendorse thing is a marketplace, so yes, you can work with individual athletes, typically for low-dollar things. That launched a year ago and was really what the spirit of NIL was envisioned as being. "Pay an athlete $100 to make an appearance at my event."
Spiders NIL is a collective where the rich folks pool their money to buy off players, so that's where the real money changes hands.
Spiders NIL is a collective where the rich folks pool their money to buy off players, so that's where the real money changes hands.
The second by our athletic Department is just a marketplace, where you can sign up athletes for particular items - and in a sense give them money. i.e. For example - i can make Neil an offer of $10 to attend my kids birthday party or basketball practice.
The Queally NIL is a collective, where money is being pooled together by a private group - The Collective, and then that leadership of that group will decide where and how much the money goes. They can't just give the money to the player - there is some exchange - but it can be as simple as have the player attend a dinner with some of the donors, or perform volunteer work at a local school one day, etc. It can be very simple.
The Queally NIL is a collective, where money is being pooled together by a private group - The Collective, and then that leadership of that group will decide where and how much the money goes. They can't just give the money to the player - there is some exchange - but it can be as simple as have the player attend a dinner with some of the donors, or perform volunteer work at a local school one day, etc. It can be very simple.
SF, Thank you. I'm just curious as to why the Opendorse thing can be openly promoted by our AD and the collective has to have this layer of separation, when they both are essentially doing the same thing.
For me, if I had $100, I would want to go through Opendorse because I could direct it to the athlete of my choice vs. giving it to the big boys to pool to go buy themselves a player. But I suppose giving it the big boys will probably pay larger dividends for the program because they can pool a larger amount and to go get us a ringer.
I agree with that assessment 97 - but with the collective, I think when you give, even if $100 - you should get some information either beforehand or afterwards to summarize where they money went or is going or what the overall strategy is when targeting players.
For example - if you give $100 because your a basketball fan and think this will pay bigger dividends for the basketball team, but then find out most of the money went to Football, Lacrosse, and Baseball because the money helped fill the void of lack of scholarships in those sports - but that might not have been what you intended. Not saying its a bad mission, but not want you wanted as a donor - then maybe next year you give your money directly to player though marketplace.
I wonder if we're involved in the latest insanity of schools having to pony up NIL money to recruits to get them to even make an official visit. Can't imagine we are.
Ohio State AD mentioned it in Congressional testimony. Recruits charging $5K for a visit.
Ohio State AD Gene Smith claims recruits are asking for $5K to visit campuses in NIL era
In a congressional hearing on Wednesday, Ohio State AD Gene Smith said the practice of recruits asking for $5,000 to visit campus has "become common."
www.dispatch.com
I don't know about charging for a visit. That would likely only be possible in states that allow NIL at the HS level and you have an in-state recruit. But you can 100% guarantee these conversations and deals are being offered to recruits and transfers to entice them to come to the school - even if the rule says they can't do it - there is no way to police or stop a conversation. Its happening - and like they say - the toothpaste is out of the tube, its hard to get back in now.
These kids are not looking for colleges, they're looking for sugar daddies.
I don't blame the kids - they are getting what the system and market allows them to get. Should head coaches turn down multimillion dollar offers because they know they will be overpaid? No - they should take the best offer they can get. And so - if a kid can "legally" within the rules get a $5,000 payment to make a visit - go for it. If the kid can get thousands of dollars in NIL money when at the school - get it. Its not the kid or players place to say - this is wrong, or this is too much, etc. They are getting what the system allows.
8legs1dream
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Good point - think there are still limits on OFFICIAL visits, but UNOFFICIAL - can make as many as you want. Also - I think the 5K must be in a state where they have NIL option for HS kids, not all states have passed that law. Not sure if VA is one of them - but if it were, we could have a kid visit from Virginia to UR, and then our collective or a donor who runs a business, could pay the kid 5K to make an instagram post about their car dealership, pizza shop, etc and pay them 5K for those services (but really - pay them for the visit).
NIL is a really dirty system right now and probably further widens the gap between P6 and the rest of the NCAA. Simply because - even a school like UR, which if we said we have deep pockets and were going to pay players close to $1 million dollars in NIL deals - they probably would still go elsewhere to P6 and get same money, on a bigger level. I am not sure if any mid-majors will be able to make a leap upwards because of NIL. One school I am interested to see how it effects is Gonzaga. They been getting good players, going to NBA, etc. Small school, not sure of donations, how do they progress in the new world?
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Nope, official visits are now unlimited other than one per school per junior and senior year. If there's a coaching change, you can do another one at the same school.
But if you can convince 350 schools to accept you for official visits in your senior year and you can find a way to squeeze them all in, you're free to do so.
the power schools (and I consider Gonzaga a power school based on their successes) have nationally recognizable players. when you're nationally recognizable and have a huge social media following, the NIL money doesn't just come from boosters.
Drew Timme said he was making more at Gonzaga than he could if he went pro. per SI.com, he had signed contracts with Dollar Shave Club, Beats by Dre, Continental Tires, Barstool Gonzaga, Northern Quest Resort & Casino, and Walker's Furniture.
Drew Timme said he was making more at Gonzaga than he could if he went pro. per SI.com, he had signed contracts with Dollar Shave Club, Beats by Dre, Continental Tires, Barstool Gonzaga, Northern Quest Resort & Casino, and Walker's Furniture.
Right - but before, I think kids went to Gonzaga because of the name, brand, they played a national OOC schedule, etc. BUT - I wonder if now, do they suffer under NIL, because a mid-tier ACC school or SEC school, with a heavy football program and NIL pockets, can pay more for the recruit than Gonzaga can. Before - if was an easier decision to pick Gonzaga over, say a school like Wake Forest, Vandy, or Nebraska, etc. But what if those schools can offer substantially more in NIL Money than Gonzaga - does that now sway those recruits at that level. Gonzaga is the better basketball school, but in 4 years time - they look at NIL money to be made in a better conference now?
Agreed - and with football leading all causes now, I wonder if schools that are mediocre in basketball but have a big football program - do they reap benefits of potential NIL?
True - but they bring in so much money. I wonder if we will begin to see scandals where athletic departments funnel some of their own money to these NIL collectives? Anonymous donors maybe? Kinda like giving to a policital PAC - there are a lot of ways to hide your money.
if they were doing that, then they were already cheating and doing that.
figure just above-board NIL, an FBS team has about 125 kids on the roster. and for big time programs, all of them were highly recruited. that's a sh!t-ton of annual NIL money.
figure just above-board NIL, an FBS team has about 125 kids on the roster. and for big time programs, all of them were highly recruited. that's a sh!t-ton of annual NIL money.
Without a doubt this will and is probably already happening. Some will get caught by a disgrunted whistleblower, most will not though. And I am absolutely failing to see how the recruitment process and NIL can be remain seperate as they are so intertwined, a kid is gonna wanna know how much their NIL sugar daddy is gonna give them before committing.
100% - NIL and recruiting are intertwined. But there is no way to un-twine it. Just like you couldn't stop bags of cash being handed to players in the past. How can you stop cash that can be passed legally to a player - but you just have a conversation behind a closed door as to when the player will receive the money. Impossible.
No different in pro sports - I think its called tampering. There is usually a set time when free agents officially become free agents, but there is always a handful of players that sign new deals within hours of free agency being opened. Your telling me they had no contact, no behind the scenes conversations to faciliate those deals that technically were signed during the open period, but everyone knows were negotiated months and weeks in advance.
NCAA moves toward implementing new NIL rules
The NCAA Division I Council introduced several NIL rule proposals, including disclosures of NIL deals, a standardized NIL contract and a registry for NIL service providers.
8legs1dream
Team Manager
This is the same argument I was making in the Noah thread that you seemed to be disputing over there. Not trying to be obtuse, just wondering if I missed something in your arguments there where you were saying that things like SEC schedule would be a factor in S. Carolina vs UR type decisions and I was saying NIL NIL NIL?
UR could get a recruit over a school like SC if we match or exceed their NIL. some might still choose the SEC school for a number of reasons, but yes some might take a big UR NIL.
I think people here are dreaming with the numbers they throw out as to how much UR will be able to get a kid in NIL. to me it seems the UR NIL is almost exclusively PQ. maybe with a handful of others. we aren't actively attracting donations like big schools do. if PQ single-handedly chooses to outspend P5 NIL's who have 10 times our alumni, then sure we're in the ballgame.
also consider that most NIL deals aren't just alumni donations in collectives (see Timme deals). those come from eyeballs watching a player and high social media followings. we don't have a lot of eyeballs watching UR. every college basketball fan knows Drew Timme. nobody outside the A10 knew Tyler Burton ... though a ton more will this year because he's at a high profile program.
Agree - UR is not getting the "eyeball" NIL deals as you describe. Just not happening at UR or most A10 programs for that matter. And - at this point in time with our NIL, it appears (cause there is a lack of information) that the UR NIL Collective is really supported by PQ and a few friends. And I think its unrealistic to believe that they have pooled together a couple million dollars to "outspend" programs bigger than UR and possibly "steal" a recruit from a school like SC to UR with a bigger NIL package. What amounts they are giving - who knows. But I would guess its not above 100K for any one single athlete.
Utah NIL group gifts Ram 1500 trucks to all 85 scholarship football players
In the college sports world, the leasing arrangement is one of the most unique in the 27 months of the NIL era.
sports.yahoo.com
Sucks trying to find your truck after practice. Maybe they all get assigned parking spots too.
Interesting notes from that article - they have raised 3 million and goal is 6 million.
Here is their website - pretty clear mission and they are looking to involve everyone - down to a suggested donation of $25. Of course the purpose is to give money and cars to the kids -but at least in return, they will be helping other charities.
www.crimsoncollective.org
Here is their website - pretty clear mission and they are looking to involve everyone - down to a suggested donation of $25. Of course the purpose is to give money and cars to the kids -but at least in return, they will be helping other charities.
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The Crimson Collective is a 501(c)3 non-profit dedicated to supporting local charities in the Salt Lake City Valley to fulfill their various charters. We have partnered with local student influencers at the University of Utah in order to utilize their Name, Image, and Likeness (NIL) to increase...
www.crimsoncollective.org
