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I honestly don't care if Randolph Macon had gone undefeated in D3 for the past 15 straight years and won every national championship during that time. THEY ARE A DIVISION 3 TEAM. No one on that team received any scholarship offers. Any legitimate Division 1 program should wipe the floor with a D3 team of any caliber. The end.
 
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Most disturbing to me are Grant comments. They came out "soft" and weren't ready to play. I mean, I'm glad for the honesty, but y'all haven't played a competitive came in 6 months, coming off 2 disasters of a season, with many questioning both the coach and the program, and you come out not ready to play.

I would be surprised by this but than I remember we've seen this same show many times before.
 
there's honesty and there's saying things to try to explain unacceptable results. I'm sure Grant was frustrated. heck of a job passing the ball by him though.
 
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Eight Legger said:
We need Grant to play angry this year, or at least with a real chip on his shoulder. He should be dominating people every night all year long.
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agreed, but making the right play. getting 6 assists is great basketball. that's dominating in a different way.
 
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VT4700 said:
Spin? Do you honestly think we would only beat Catholic, Hood, and Cedarville by 13?
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On a completely unrelated topic, Bill Dooley played for Catholic when we were both in the ECAC South. He transferred to us, Catholic transferred to the ODAC for a short while...
 
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agreed, but making the right play. getting 6 assists is great basketball. that's dominating in a different way.
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I think was Eight is saying is Grant needs to be physically dominating on the court. You do that by playing tough interior defense, battling for rebounds, points in the paint.

A big man getting assists and shooting 3's is as Grant described their play last night "soft". If we're gonna be good, its not because Grant is getting a ton of assists and shooting 3 balls, it is because he decides to assert his will in the paint.

Look at Embiid he shoots 3's and gets assists as well, but when he also dunks on and over dudes all of the time and physically intimidates most NBA big men around the basket. Grant needs to do that, he is bigger, stronger, and can be badder if he chooses to be against almost every big man he plays this year. Big men have got to exert themselves physically, Grant has yet to do that.
 
totally different kind of athlete. Grant's not a shot blocker.

I believe all of Grant's buckets were inside yesterday. didn't even attempt a 3. not that taking 3's or making great passes is soft. that's ridiculous. nothing about Grant's game is soft. but he's skilled, not just a bull.
 
Many you have forgotten about Randy Mac back in either late 70s or early 80s that was
a D3 champion that beat us during the season and I think also beat a Charles Oakley lead VA Union.
I would not put a lot into the game since we had more pressure on us to not lose to a DIII team.
 
CarolinaSpider said:
I would not put a lot into the game since we had more pressure on us to not lose to a DIII team.
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Unfortunately, this is exactly why I DO put a decent amount of stock into the game. Granted, we won. Hooray for that. But Mooney is coaching for his job this year and knows it. He already has had trouble for years getting his teams ready for games we should win. How many times have we come out flat and laid an egg? Dozens. Nothing ever changes.

Now he has this job situation hanging over his head all year, and he's going to be feeling the pressure "not to lose" to any of these teams on our schedule who we clearly should beat. Of course, he created a lot of the narrative by proclaiming this our best class ever, the hardest OOC in the league, etc. Let's hope he doesn't clam up when it's a 3-point game with 2 minutes to go against STFU on Friday night.
 
spiderman said:
totally different kind of athlete. Grant's not a shot blocker.

I believe all of Grant's buckets were inside yesterday. didn't even attempt a 3. not that taking 3's or making great passes is soft. that's ridiculous. nothing about Grant's game is soft. but he's skilled, not just a bull.
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Have you watched Grant play interior defense the past 2 years?
 
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I think you severely over-estimate the pressure he's feeling about his job situation. If he can survive the last two seasons, and 8 without an NCAA bid, he's feeling bullet-proof. Even a .500 record shows "improvement" or "progress" and the schedule has been set up so that sub-.500 is unthinkable.

He doesn't strike me as the least bit concerned about it. The fact that this is nowhere close to the "best OOC schedule in the A-10" doesn't phase him, either.
 
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True. I guess I'd be feeling pretty great too if I had banked $15 million for being average at my job.
 
It only took one uninspiring exhibition win over a D3 team to stir up the emotions on here. Long season coming methinks.
 
MrTbone said:
It only took one uninspiring exhibition win over a D3 team to stir up the emotions on here. Long season coming methinks.
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yeah, I thought we were supposedly staying positive until the 1st bad loss.
 
spiderman said:
yeah, I thought we were supposedly staying positive until the 1st bad loss.
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This gave me a good laugh sman. I can't speak for everyone, but damn I tried my hardest, but admit failed to stay positive after reading the accounts on here, Noah's tweets and the stats. I am writing this off to being just a practice now. Getting pumped for a 24 point win over STFU!!!!!
 
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That was not my intent. I was just making an observation - he doesn't seem worried; almost like he already knows he's back next season.
In contrast to Shafer, who openly told friends he expected what was coming.
 
ChoppinBroccoli said:
That was not my intent. I was just making an observation - he doesn't seem worried; almost like he already knows he's back next season.
In contrast to Shafer, who openly told friends he expected what was coming.
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Mooney was testy as a preteen girl last year. That is why he made his best class ever statement and toughest OOC statements and sparred with JOC. Why he played JJ and Noah at the expense of Sal. He feels pressure. I think Hardt scares him. He thinks and hopes his boy, Queally can save him with his fat wallet, but he isn't quite 100% sure of other pressures and masters our AD has to answer to.
 
spider fan said:
Reality is the scrimmage was meaningless other than as an opportunity to have different competition than an intra squad scrimmage.
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Just as long as this doesn't become true...
Reality is the season was meaningless other than as an opportunity to have different competition than an intra squad scrimmage.
 
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Eight Legger said:
I honestly don't care if Randolph Macon had gone undefeated in D3 for the past 15 straight years and won every national championship during that time. THEY ARE A DIVISION 3 TEAM. No one on that team received any scholarship offers. Any legitimate Division 1 program should wipe the floor with a D3 team of any caliber. The end.
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8 Legger.....Davidson trails Glenville State....40 to 38!!! now trails 45 to 41!!!! 1 left in 1st half Davidson trials 49 to 44
 
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8 Legger.....Davidson trails Glenville State....40 to 38!!! now trails 45 to 41!!!! 1 left in 1st half Davidson trials 49 to 44
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Doesn't matter, when you are a coach (Mooney), that has been mediocre for several years and down trending, you need to build and win convincingly. We will not afford Mooney the same respect and consideration as Mckillop.
 
In just 5 years in the league, Davidson has more semifinal appearances and Top 3 regular season finishes than Mooney has in 14 seasons.

This isn't the comp you're looking for....

Also, Glenville State is Division II, not Division III, and they do offer scholarships.
 
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ChoppinBroccoli said:
In just 5 years in the league, Davidson has more semifinal appearances and Top 3 regular season finishes than Mooney has in 14 seasons.

This isn't the comp you're looking for....

Also, Glenville State is Division II, not Division III, and they do offer scholarships.
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Yep. I'm sure EL and some others on here would be happy and praise our coach if we were up one on Glenville State with barely over a minute left last night.
 
McKillop has taken Davidson to the NCAA, 7 times in the past 14 years and 4 times since Mooney last took us. He is consistently bringing in a higher level of recruit than Mooney, despite equal if not greater academic restrictions at Davidson. And his facilities are not near as nice as ours.

So, yeah, I wouldn't give a flying crap what Davidson does in their scrimmage against Glenville, because I know and have immense faith in McKillop and what he is able to do with his team.

You really need to think harder about your Mooney comps, because this one was far too easy.
 
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VT4700 said:
Yep. I'm sure EL and some others on here would be happy and praise our coach if we were up one on Glenville State with barely over a minute left last night.
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Of course they wouldn't, but Chop just accurately pointed out the different competition levels. Both David and UR's wins weren't pretty but Mooney's teams slow start history of late has posters not feeling confident of change. REAL doesn't start till Friday.
 
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SouthJerseySpiderFan said:
Of course they wouldn't, but Chop just accurately pointed out the different competition levels. Both David and UR's wins weren't pretty but Mooney's teams slow start history of late has posters not feeling confident of change. REAL doesn't start till Friday.
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Yes. they are D2, but they went 11-17 last year, and just lost to Marshall 100 - 66. So, even though they are D2 and not D3, I think it's fair to bring the Davidson score up in response to EL saying any legitimate D1 team should destroy a D3 team, even in a stinking scrimmage. No, they are not D3, but plenty of D3s could beat them. But, bottom line is it was an exhibition game for Davidson. Who cares? Just like Macon was an exhibition game for us.
 
VT4700 said:
Yep. I'm sure EL and some others on here would be happy and praise our coach if we were up one on Glenville State with barely over a minute left last night.
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Not at all what I said.

I was replying to a faulty analogy, that's all.
 
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Okay. No worries. I realize Glenville State is D2. They also went 11-17 last year and just lost to Marshall by 34 points.
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I doubt Davidson fans are worried about it. I don't think our fans would be, either, if we had the recent success that Davidson has.

I agree with you that we can't read too much into these exhibitions. We shredded Hampden-Sydney a year ago and how did that season turn out?
 
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ChoppinBroccoli said:
I doubt Davidson fans are worried about it. I don't think our fans would be, either, if we had the recent success that Davidson has.

I agree with you that we can't read too much into these exhibitions. We shredded Hampden-Sydney a year ago and how did that season turn out?
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I can see the point you and SJSF are making. Of course, Davidson should not be worried at all. They were good last year, have their top 6 guys back, and know who they are. So, I can see why our past 2 seasons and recent slow starts would have some people concerned about a bad exhibition game. So, that is fair, but that being said, I still don't think any legitimate D1 team should always destroy a D3 team in a scrimmage. But, just my opinion. No worries.
 
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ChoppinBroccoli said:
I doubt Davidson fans are worried about it. I don't think our fans would be, either, if we had the recent success that Davidson has.

I agree with you that we can't read too much into these exhibitions. We shredded Hampden-Sydney a year ago and how did that season turn out?
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Yep, if we had McKillop as our HC, we wouldn't be fretting over a narrow exhibition win over a D3 school. But as noted above, with our slow starts and the Mooney Malaise hanging over our program, it is a concern.

This 4700 dude is in mid season TRUTHING form, going to great lengths to spin this. I hope we can win by 35 on Friday or he will have a mooney meltdown.
 
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