Khwan Fore

[MolivaManiac]

What Marley said. I disagree with you about the course the program is on but that doesn't mean I dislike you or ulla or anybody else that's branded as a Mooney apologist at this point.

I believe we need a course correction. You don't. I don't think we have any shot at Bryce Golden. You might thing we so. There's no other recruiting meat to chew on at this point and we have 3 spots to fill and a signing period forthcoming quickly.

Khwan is gone, as has been discussed ad museum here for weeks despite the fact that some posters needed "proof". Well, we got the proof.

People say this board is too negative. I mean urpike will be along here anytime to chime in about all his friends that "left" because it's too negative. We went 12 and 20, just lost our best defensive player, have one project of a recruit coming in and have lost major ground as a program both locally and nationally since 2011.

Tell me the good stuff to post about. As far as i can tell, Queally's endlessly deep pocket is pretty much it. Tell me. We can find a way to be friends while you do it.

 

[Eight Legger]

Here's the thing, ply. Let's say you catch your girlfriend cheating on you. You confront her and she says it will never happen again. You believe her and take her back. A year later, it happens again. She apologizes, says it will never happen again. A year later it happens again. Then it happens four more times the next four years. Then she promises you that she's REALLY done cheating and it won't happen anymore. Are you believing her that eighth time?

This is how a lot of us, rightly or wrongly, feel about the Mooney regime. We've seen the same stuff happen over and over again, heard the same hype about recruits that turned out to be disasters, heard the same schtick about how well we are practicing, etc. I personally don't fault you at all for being positive. But I hope you can understand why those of us you consider to be negative are the way we are. At some point, it's simply hard to keep believing things will be different when they haven't been for so long, that's all.

 

[MolivaManiac]

Am I allowed to like the above post or am I mocking if I do that? Or am o mocking by asking?

 

[SpiderK]

You mocked me and made a joke when I said where there is smoke there fire. You dismissed what I was saying. And was wrong. Now you continue to post salacious irrelevant post. Stop. You look ridiculous. Make your statements on facts. Not on your random thoughts. You have nothing to back up your statement.

Damn, you are a sore winner.

 

[Marley13]

Mock away Harper Lee. Had to look it up and was surprised the author was a woman. Only died a couple of years ago. (To Kill a Mockingbird reference. Sure we have all read it).

 

[MolivaManiac]

Damn, you are a sore winner.

Also, How'd the noodle arm look on pro day?

 

[SpiderK]

Also, How'd the noodle arm look on pro day?

Weather wasn’t great, but he did just fine. With the heavy attention and need of QB’s this year. I hoping for the third round for Kyle.

 

[ChoppinBroccoli]

I appreciate your creativity of thought, but please answer this: when was the last time Coach Mooney took an experienced and productive upperclassmen and shorted him minutes in favor of unproven younger players?

#FreePaul

 

[SpiderRick]

We should force them to play, even with broken bones, so they can't redshirt!

I wasn't talking about Fore or Golden or any medical redshirt. Just seems recently we always have a couple of guys that come in as projects. I want more Gilyards.

 

[spider23]

#FreePaul

#FreedSolly
#BringPaulBack

 

[keefusb]

We went 12 and 20, just lost our best defensive player, have one project of a recruit coming in and have lost major ground as a program both locally and nationally since 2011.

^This. Not a heck of a lot to be positive about right now.

 

[I-M-UR]

Good luck Mr. Fore, we appreciate all your efforts.

We now have an opening for a number 2. That should be easier to find a good 2 than it's been finding a 4. We need good ball handling skills, and a very good outside shot and is taller that 6 ft. Defense is a function of experience and effort they can all improve in that area.

 

[CarolinaSpider]

Good luck Mr. Fore, we appreciate all your efforts.

We now have an opening for a number 2. That should be easier to find a good 2 than it's been finding a 4. We need good ball handling skills, and a very good outside shot and is taller that 6 ft. Defense is a function of experience and effort they can all improve in that area.

And will work their keister off on defense!!

 

[SpiderK]

If Sal or Bryce starts at the 4 slot this year, we will start 5 “3 stars” for probably the first time in school history. Not many schools can say they are starting 5 “3 stars” or better, not even UVA. (Salt 2 Star) Nate, Julius and the crop of redshirt freshman had better be ready. We need a couple of surprises to come out of that group. I would guess Buck moves to the 2 slot and Nick to the 3. My concern is no legit back up at the point or center positions. We will see.

 

[spiderman]

Here's the thing, ply. Let's say you catch your girlfriend cheating on you. You confront her and she says it will never happen again. You believe her and take her back. A year later, it happens again. She apologizes, says it will never happen again. A year later it happens again. Then it happens four more times the next four years. Then she promises you that she's REALLY done cheating and it won't happen anymore. Are you believing her that eighth time?

This is how a lot of us, rightly or wrongly, feel about the Mooney regime. We've seen the same stuff happen over and over again, heard the same hype about recruits that turned out to be disasters, heard the same schtick about how well we are practicing, etc. I personally don't fault you at all for being positive. But I hope you can understand why those of us you consider to be negative are the way we are. At some point, it's simply hard to keep believing things will be different when they haven't been for so long, that's all.

so ... Mooney' said he'll never cheat on you again?

 

[spider fan]

Our society is saturated with an overabundance of opinions on every possible subject imaginable. This board is social media which like all social media should be taken for what it is - entertainment. Taking it any other way is a recipe for disaster - particularly taking it personally. I like it because there is information available that while maybe available elsewhere is shared more quickly on the board because of the passionate interest of the message board posters in the subject. Concerning men's basketball the University of Richmond must think it is one of the most important aspects of the school (or at least a very important one) because of the amount of money poured into it and the fact that the coach is the most highly paid employee of the school. Enjoy the message board for what is and nothing more. Agree the board has turned more negative and think the primary reason for that is the underachievement of the men's basketball team since 2011.

 

[spiderman]

my opinion of Khwan's transfer.

I don't think it's a lack of belief in the team or coach. I don't think it's wanting to dance, or frustrations with losing. we had one losing season.

I think Khwan wants a shot at playing pro ball. if that's the end game, how will he benefit from another year here?

to play pro ball he has to play point. he's absolutely quick enough and athletic enough. but there are two problems here. one, he's not playing the point. he gets to handle some but he's more often in a catch and shoot situation and he's not a shooter. two, even if he was playing point ... our point isn't a ball dominator. with Khwan's athletic ability he should be handling, getting into the lane, and coming around ball screens. the ball has to be in his hands.

what would you expect from Khwan if he stayed next season. mostly the same? heck of a player. I think we win more games. but maybe he averages 12 ppg? maybe 3 assists? what can he show that he hasn't already? the ONLY reason he would stay is to try to win with his teammates. but it doesn't help him reach his ultimate goals.

Khwan earned a very valuable degree at UR. he now needs to find a better situation for his basketball game. and it's not about winning. it should be about showcasing his abilities to run a team. imo.

 

[ChoppinBroccoli]

It is really sad to me that a good amount of you seem to want the program to fail just so that you can be right about certain things.

Oh, BS. Outside of one student of another university, name one poster who wants the program to fail. You said there was a good amount - it should be easy.

I'm so tired of these fallacies being posited on our forum.

 

[spider23]

OK, under the attacks from the likes of Gallipolli, Ply, etc - I will admit it.

I was hired by a co-funded VCU Russian troll farm in 2002 to join this board under the guise of being a Richmond Spiders fan. I looked up the history around Curtis Blair, Dick Tarrant, Kenny Wood, Jim Shields, Gerald Jarmon, etc in order to perpetuate my cover story. Heck, I even threw in a story for Brocolli about playing against Hubert Davis in little league in Fairfax Co. I admit I am pretty good at it.

I was under deep cover until late 2017, when the powers that run me where infuriated by butt kickings from Jacksonville CC or Alabama and Delaware State by 47 and 39 points. I was then activated.

I feel better now that everyone knows the real story.

 

[VT_Spider]

If we get the foot soldiers, the General can command the army. Times a changing.

Ulla we can't get any good foot soldiers because we have a coach that can't recruit. We didn't sign anyone worth a damn this past recruiting cycle. Please tell me why you are so positive about this program and coach Mooney in year 13, I would actually be really interested to hear any you still support him.

 

[plydogg]

OK, under the attacks from the likes of Gallipolli, Ply, etc - I will admit it.

I was hired by a co-funded VCU Russian troll farm in 2002 to join this board under the guise of being a Richmond Spiders fan. I looked up the history around Curtis Blair, Dick Tarrant, Kenny Wood, Jim Shields, Gerald Jarmon, etc in order to perpetuate my cover story. Heck, I even threw in a story for Brocolli about playing against Hubert Davis in little league in Fairfax Co. I admit I am pretty good at it.

I was under deep cover until late 2017, when the powers that run me where infuriated by butt kickings from Jacksonville CC or Alabama and Delaware State by 47 and 39 points. I was then activated.

I feel better now that everyone knows the real story.

I will say you changing your profile picture really threw me for a loop lol

 

[fan2011]

Ulla we can't get any good foot soldiers because we have a coach that can't recruit. We didn't sign anyone worth a damn this past recruiting cycle. Please tell me why you are so positive about this program and coach Mooney in year 13, I would actually be really interested to hear any you still support him.

Sal is a 3* with a very good list of offers. I think he is probably worth at least a damn.

 

[spidUR804]

Saw a tweet on Buckingham’s twitter page “whatever happens happens”. Should some worry come from that?

 

[spiderman]

Saw a tweet on Buckingham’s twitter page “whatever happens happens”. Should some worry come from that?

“whatever happens happens”. even SpiderNation can't argue about that.

 

[97spiderfan]

Oh, BS. Outside of one student of another university, name one poster who wants the program to fail. You said there was a good amount - it should be easy.

I'm so tired of these fallacies being posited on our forum.

I am sick and g-d damn tired of our program failing and that is why I want a change. I have far more better things to do in my life and if I wasn't an alum, a season ticket holder who has attended pretty much every home game for the past 25 years, I would have checked out of supporting this program a while ago. It is really really difficult to support a program that lacks almost any semblance of accountability.

I am also sick and g-d damn tired of being right about the state of the program. I take no pleasure in the fact that my observations on the Mooney regime, his recruits, and the direction of this program have pretty much been spot on for the past 7 years. While at the same time, I have to come on and listen to the Ulla's and other truthers, tell me that up is down, black is white, and that just wait till next year.

So, no I am not a college basketball guru or coaching genius, but I am also not a blind idiot who has not lived through the past 7 years. It doesn't take a genius to know this ship has been slowing sinking since 2011.

 

[Spiders05]

We didn't sign anyone worth a damn this past recruiting cycle.

You've been called on this in the past. What exactly is a player worth a damn to you? According to ESPN, as an example, he's ranked as the 8th best player in NY. #9 is going to Stanford, #10 to Syracuse, #11 to Illinois and #12 to Michigan.

 

[spiderman]

that's his story, 05, and he's sticking to it. the guys that scout for a living don't know anything. VT can tell what kind of college player Sal will be based on a 2 minute video from his high school sophomore season.

 

[ChoppinBroccoli]

It's exhausting, yes.

I'm just resigned at this point. 32counter is right (although he could be less caustic about it), Mooney's not going anywhere and we are wasting our breath (or keystrokes). No accountability. I am curious if anyone heard Bob's take on it this morning.

I wish Khwan all the best; he's been super nice to my kid and a fine representative of our University. Time to move on.

 

[gcarter52]

Ulla we can't get any good foot soldiers because we have a coach that can't recruit. We didn't sign anyone worth a damn this past recruiting cycle. Please tell me why you are so positive about this program and coach Mooney in year 13, I would actually be really interested to hear any you still support him.

As they used to say back in the day, it takes one to know one...you need to go back to VT dude!!! I am being as respectful as I can.....

 

[Dudeness]

Is it wrong of me to hope Fore isn't the last one to leave, and maybe a mass exodus forces the admin's hand on Mooney?

 

[Spider93]

Anyway to institute a lifetime ban on this board?

 

[fan2011]

Oh, BS. Outside of one student of another university, name one poster who wants the program to fail. You said there was a good amount - it should be easy.

I'm so tired of these fallacies being posited on our forum.

Is it wrong of me to hope Fore isn't the last one to leave, and maybe a mass exodus forces the admin's hand on Mooney?

There you go. This type of sentiment doesn't seem to be that uncommon (hope for bad things to happen to the program so Mooney gets fired.)

 

[Eight Legger]

You guys may not like what VT says or how he goes about it sometimes, and that's fair. But just because his opinions are strong doesn't mean he's not entitled to them, just as we all are. Of course we all should be respectful, but beyond that I don't really see a problem with his posts. He's entitled to his opinion on his recruits, even if we may not agree with them all the time.

Sal does appear to be pretty highly regarded. Time will tell how well he does for us. In general terms, we all know that our recruiting has been below grade overall for a number of years, with a recent uptick.

 

[ChoppinBroccoli]

There you go. This type of sentiment doesn't seem to be that uncommon (hope for bad things to happen to the program so Mooney gets fired.)

4th post. (Conveniently placed, I might add).

Give an example of a regular.

 

[gcarter52]

You guys may not like what VT says or how he goes about it sometimes, and that's fair. But just because his opinions are strong doesn't mean he's not entitled to them, just as we all are. Of course we all should be respectful, but beyond that I don't really see a problem with his posts. He's entitled to his opinion on his recruits, even if we may not agree with them all the time.

Sal does appear to be pretty highly regarded. Time will tell how well he does for us. In general terms, we all know that our recruiting has been below grade overall for a number of years, with a recent uptick.

Yes, we do have a right to our opinions and comments but it still is not right to single out a player to slam like that when you don't even know him personally. Give him a chance to show his worth or not....

 

[Spiders05]

Saw a tweet on Buckingham’s twitter page “whatever happens happens”. Should some worry come from that?

He was RTing his best friend. Don't think one should read too much into that.

 

[Dudeness]

4th post. (Conveniently placed, I might add).

Give an example of a regular.

So I get discredited b/c I read a lot, and don't speak often? I think the fact that Im chiming in goes to the point of the frustration with the program.

Im smart enough to see this one move for what it is...Fore being done with school, and looking for a better opportunity, pro or college. Thats it. And I'm certainly not rooting for the program to fail. But sometimes you have to step back before you can step forward. I feel like it's beyond obvious nothing is happening here barring something drastic. Mooney has a cush job with literally zero incentive to succeed. If there's a mutiny, so be it.

 

[ChoppinBroccoli]

So I get discredited b/c I read a lot, and don't speak often? I think the fact that Im chiming in goes to the point of the frustration with the program.

Im smart enough to see this one move for what it is...Fore being done with school, and looking for a better opportunity, pro or college. Thats it. And I'm certainly not rooting for the program to fail. But sometimes you have to step back before you can step forward. I feel like it's beyond obvious nothing is happening here barring something drastic. Mooney has a cush job with literally zero incentive to succeed. If there's a mutiny, so be it.

I'm not discrediting you.

I'm discrediting the notion that "a good amount of you want the program to fail," and using your first post in this thread as an example of "This type of sentiment doesn't seem to be that uncommon."

The poster of the first statement wasn't referring to you (and can't provide a single example).

I believe the sentiment of wanting a mass exodus is very uncommon.

And to your question "Is it wrong of me...?" My answer would be yes.

 

[spiderman]

You guys may not like what VT says or how he goes about it sometimes, and that's fair. But just because his opinions are strong doesn't mean he's not entitled to them, just as we all are. Of course we all should be respectful, but beyond that I don't really see a problem with his posts. He's entitled to his opinion on his recruits, even if we may not agree with them all the time.

"Of course we all should be respectful, but beyond that ..."
you don't think it's disrespectful saying that nobody in this recruiting cycle is worth a damn?

 

[Eight Legger]

In his opinion many recruits aren't worth a damn. Those are his words. We may not agree with them, and I happen to disagree as it relates to Sal, but no, that's not disrespectful. That's his evaluation of a player, I presume not his evaluation of the kid as a human being. That's a big difference.