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Good for Khwan, as he bounces around from school to school looking for the best deal, he has chosen another school where he won’t be burdened by academic requirements and can just worry about playing. Now that he is just 300 miles from home, the family can practically ride their bikes to watch him play. Watch the ACC employ the Hack-A-Khwan defense next year. They will also be slacking off of Fore to dare him to shoot the 3.
 
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Louisville is a storied program, with an excellent coach, and they play in the ACC. But their odds of making the NCAA's next season are probably not much better than ours. I still think Kwan couldn't stomach the prospect of playing another season at Richmond under CM, despite being the senior leader, and getting a crapload of playing time. Seems to me that anywhere but Richmond was driving his decision-making process as much as anything.
 
Huge difference between the way Fore left the program and the way Buck left the program. Fore could have stayed if he choose to do so, Buck was dismissed from the team for reasons that have not been made public.
No both chose to leave the team for their own personal aggrandizement. Both placed themselves above the team.
 
Some outside perspective, so again, not just a few crazies on our message board noticing our program isn’t in a great place.
https://bigredlouie.com/2018/06/02/38560/

It should not go unnoticed that Fore played for some pretty bad teams for Richmond. At his time there, Richmond made the NIT in 2017, but that was their only wining season. It is a positive because Fore has a lot of starting experience, and playing experience, but it is negative due to his lack of playing time on any kind of big stage.

Tell this Louisville dude to do more research. Khwan is not 6'2 and 2017 was not his only winning season here.
 
Louisville is a storied program, with an excellent coach, and they play in the ACC. But their odds of making the NCAA's next season are probably not much better than ours. I still think Kwan couldn't stomach the prospect of playing another season at Richmond under CM, despite being the senior leader, and getting a crapload of playing time. Seems to me that anywhere but Richmond was driving his decision-making process as much as anything.

I think he saw the writing on the wall here, and knew he was not beatimg out Jacob and knew we had to go taller and have better outside shooting next year. I think being a senior, it probably would have been hard for him to play about 15 minutes a game here while a sophomore stud who was clearly better than him plays 35+.
 
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Tell this Louisville dude to do more research. Khwan is not 6'2 and 2017 was not his only winning season here.
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2015 21-14 (3 games then Medical redshirt)
2016 16-16
2017 22-13
2018 12-20
 
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2015 21-14 (3 games then Medical redshirt)
2016 16-16
2017 22-13
2018 12-20

You just backed me up. Was Khwan not here in 2015? The guy said "At his time there". That being said, can't you also say 2018 was his only losing season here? Yet, he chose to say 2017 was his only winning season here. Poor writing if you ask me.

Maybe, depending on how you look at it, the "only winning season" comment can be disputed, but throw in 6'2 (wrong again), and "lack of playing time on any kind of big stage", and I stand by my point that this guy needs to do more research. "Any" big stage? As if Khwan never played in a big stage game here? Never? I guess an OT game in the semifinal of the A-10 tourney is not a "big enough stage" for this Louisville clown. The whole piece just screamed lack of research from a writer about a guy and team he has probable never seen play.
 
I think he saw the writing on the wall here, and knew he was not beatimg out Jacob and knew we had to go taller and have better outside shooting next year. I think being a senior, it probably would have been hard for him to play about 15 minutes a game here while a sophomore stud who was clearly better than him plays 35+.

This is a bunch of BS. Anyone who has been around the program knows that seniors occupy a special place in the CM hierarchy whether they deserve it or not. KF was going to get 30 minutes a game, easy.
 
This is a bunch of BS. Anyone who has been around the program knows that seniors occupy a special place in the CM hierarchy whether they deserve it or not. KF was going to get 30 minutes a game, easy.

But, how many times here with Mooney have we come off of a 12-20 season? Nearly every year, we had average or above average seasons, so it would make sense to play seniors that previously played a lot of minutes those years a lot of minutes their senior year.

It was obvious we needed a new lineup this year. Anyone who watched us last year would say we needed more height and better outside shooting. Disagree if you want, and think Khwan is taller or is a good shooter if ypu want, but no way can you say it is a bunch of BS to think his minutes might have been reduced a lot this year because we did not want to play the same lineup that got us to 12-20 last year.
 
But, how many times here with Mooney have we come off of a 12-20 season? Nearly every year, we had average or above average seasons, so it would make sense to play seniors that previously played a lot of minutes those years a lot of minutes their senior year.

It was obvious we needed a new lineup this year. Anyone who watched us last year would say we needed more height and better outside shooting. Disagree if you want, and think Khwan is taller or is a good shooter if ypu want, but no way can you say it is a bunch of BS to think his minutes might have been reduced a lot this year because we did not want to play the same lineup that got us to 12-20 last year.
Your speculation is more worthy than someone else's? Pure BS.
 
This is a bunch of BS. Anyone who has been around the program knows that seniors occupy a special place in the CM hierarchy whether they deserve it or not. KF was going to get 30 minutes a game, easy.

I don't think this is nearly as true as many on the board believe. I can't think of a single example under Mooney where a senior received more time than he should have over superior younger players. People always bring up TD and DT, but they didn't play because they were seniors, they played because Mooney failed to recruit anyone better. Mooney will play the best player, and Khwan was certainly going to be one of our best players next year.
 
This is a bunch of BS. Anyone who has been around the program knows that seniors occupy a special place in the CM hierarchy whether they deserve it or not. KF was going to get 30 minutes a game, easy.
Agree, this type of complete stupidity to Mooney's complete lack of change is the only reason I have 1 percent of doubt this is not a Mooney minion. But probably is anyway.
 
I think he saw the writing on the wall here, and knew he was not beatimg out Jacob and knew we had to go taller and have better outside shooting next year. I think being a senior, it probably would have been hard for him to play about 15 minutes a game here while a sophomore stud who was clearly better than him plays 35+.
You consistently repeat this illogical and baseless theory. Where do you come up with this stuff? I've asked before - did Mooney tell you this? Mooney has always been loyal to returning starters, and that includes some far less talented than KF. Put me in the camp that KF would have gotten similar minutes as last season.
 
You consistently repeat this illogical and baseless theory. Where do you come up with this stuff? I've asked before - did Mooney tell you this? Mooney has always been loyal to returning starters, and that includes some far less talented than KF. Put me in the camp that KF would have gotten similar minutes as last season.
Agree, Fan1 you are enabling this. 05, please step in.
 
Your speculation is more worthy than someone else's? Pure BS.

Not at all. Speculation, disagreeing, and differing opinions are fine. But, it is funny how my opinion is "BS" and gets called out if some of you disagree, but my goodness, if someone dares to disagree with some of you, all heck breaks out and suddenly this means BS is being thrown out there, as if some your opinions, and yes they are only opinions, are factually correct. Laughable.
 
You consistently repeat this illogical and baseless theory. Where do you come up with this stuff? I've asked before - did Mooney tell you this? Mooney has always been loyal to returning starters, and that includes some far less talented than KF. Put me in the camp that KF would have gotten similar minutes as last season.

Fine. Put me in the camp of disagreeing with you. You keep talking history, but not all history is the same, and how many times have we come off of a 12-20 season with a stud PG returning who will play 35+ minutes and a 6'0 "other guard" returning who cannot shoot? It is not a stretch at all to think we would want a different lineup with more size and shooting next year. Some of you are talking about Khwan like he is an All American and he never even smelled an all A-10 team. Forgive me for not drinking the Khwan kool aid and for thinking he is easily replaceable.
 
Not at all. Speculation, disagreeing, and differing opinions are fine. But, it is funny how my opinion is "BS" and gets called out if some of you disagree, but my goodness, if someone dares to disagree with some of you, all heck breaks out and suddenly this means BS is being thrown out there, as if some your opinions, and yes they are only opinions, are factually correct. Laughable.
Perhaps it's the attitude with which your opinion is delivered.
 
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Perhaps it's the attitude with which your opinion is delivered.

Of course it is. Yep. That's it. When I simply disagree, I have an "attitude". When you guys disagree with me, you jump all over me and go into attack mode. But, yep, it is my attitude that is the issue here. Good one. Feel free to let me know exactly where this "attitude" of mine showed up in my last few posts. Shoot, I was getting on a Louisville beat writer, and you guys found reason there to attack what I said. Yet, I have the attitude here?
 
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Not at all. Speculation, disagreeing, and differing opinions are fine. But, it is funny how my opinion is "BS" and gets called out if some of you disagree, but my goodness, if someone dares to disagree with some of you, all heck breaks out and suddenly this means BS is being thrown out there, as if some your opinions, and yes they are only opinions, are factually correct. Laughable.
I actually don’t disagree with your position on Khwan. I think folks are reacting negatively to your style which tends to come across as if others are idiots for thinking a 2-3 year starter wasn’t likely to see a lot of minutes. You may be correct but history and our roster composition hardly make it a slam dunk.
 
Fine. Put me in the camp of disagreeing with you. You keep talking history, but not all history is the same, and how many times have we come off of a 12-20 season with a stud PG returning who will play 35+ minutes and a 6'0 "other guard" returning who cannot shoot? It is not a stretch at all to think we would want a different lineup with more size and shooting next year. Some of you are talking about Khwan like he is an All American and he never even smelled an all A-10 team. Forgive me for not drinking the Khwan kool aid and for thinking he is easily replaceable.

All Rookie team count for smelling?
 
I just went through every post of mine on this thread, and could not find anything that could be called an attack on someone. Yet, I have been attacked for my opinion over and over again. No, it does not bother me, but when something is not fun, it is time to stay away for awhile. I post on this board because I love Spider basketball, but this is just not any fun right now. So, congrats, negative ones, you have successfully driven away another poster.
 
So a former assistant of Sean Miller (not Mack) is implicated in the FBI investigation, and that's your basis for labeling Mack a "slimedog?"
 
Fine. Put me in the camp of disagreeing with you. You keep talking history, but not all history is the same, and how many times have we come off of a 12-20 season with a stud PG returning who will play 35+ minutes and a 6'0 "other guard" returning who cannot shoot? It is not a stretch at all to think we would want a different lineup with more size and shooting next year. Some of you are talking about Khwan like he is an All American and he never even smelled an all A-10 team. Forgive me for not drinking the Khwan kool aid and for thinking he is easily replaceable.
You are creating your own theories to justify what you think Mooney "should or would have done if KF returned". For the most part, and for anyone who has watched Mooney over the years, he is extremely repetitive, patterned, and loyal in his approaches. Are there aberrations along the way - yes but minimal. KF was one of best defensive players & showed sparks of offensive aggressiveness. He's also a floor leader.

Your premise is based upon a losing season and height. You're entitled to you own premise. However if the majority of the posters disagree with you, you have little company in your corner. I'm going to ask you again one more time - did you have discussions with Mooney that support your beliefs? If not, than your speculation takes second seat to history of the way Mooney operates. That's right...proven history in the use of his lineups. Go read up on Santayana.

Your comment re: "not all history is the same" is classic. History is history. Your statement falls in line with comments such as "alternative facts" and "relative truth".
 
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You are creating your own theories to justify what you think Mooney "should or would have done if KF returned". For the most part, and for anyone who has watched Mooney over the years, he is extremely repetitive, patterned, and loyal in his approaches. Are there aberrations along the way - yes but minimal. KF was one of best defensive players & showed sparks of offensive aggressiveness. He's also a floor leader.

Your premise is based upon a losing season and height. You're entitled to you own premise. However if the majority of the posters disagree with you, you have little company in your corner. I'm going to ask you again one more time - did you have discussions with Mooney that support your beliefs? If not, than your speculation takes second seat to history of the way Mooney operates. That's right...proven history in the use of his lineups. Go read up on Santayana.

Your comment re: "not all history is the same" is classic. History is history. Your statement falls in line with comments such as "alternative facts" and "relative truth".
Briefly wanted to weigh in on this line of thinking. In conversations with people who know a lot more basketball than I, the loss of Khwan is a significant one. My personal opinion is that he was/is a very good player who would have been a significant contributor this year had he stayed. But he chose to move closer to home for his final year with his UR degree in hand. To me, this is perfectly understandable and I have already wished him nothing but the best both on this board and in person. Having said that, I do believe there is a possibility that the Spiders will be improved this coming season. The "Big Three" are back and will be even better than last year. The grad transfer from Yale is proven to be a player and this class of recruits appears to be a good one. The two guards in this class are both 6'4" and already are quite strong and skilled, and both are well schooled in the type of basketball Richmond plays. Sal, the 6'8" forward from New York was highly recruited and may be one of our best. Moreover, Tomas looks like he is developing into a contributor and Nathan was already a contributor last year. So I can identify with the line of thinking that we won only 12 games last year and change was definitely needed, and even without Khwan, the Spiders may be much improved.
 
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