FWIW, If you don't know who Uncle Tyrone Nelson is, you may find it interesting to Google he and Henrico County. Draw your own conclusions.
Jason Nelson Enters Transfer Portal, Commits to VCU
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I am going to ride my bike over to the library and look it up.
Thanks for that info - explains the propensity to "sound off"......
I think it is a development thing.
1) PG must be our best player and be able to create on their own and off ball screens.
2) Big Man - must have a big man who can pass, score down low, and also be a threat to make jumpers out to the 3 point line. Doesn't have to be a great 3 point shooter, but enough you got to respect and guard him out there.
3) Shooters - we need guys outside of the PG and Big Man who can shoot. When teams focus on those 2 -these guys will get shots and need to be able to knock them down. This also opens up the back door cuts and driving opportunites for our PG.
4) Glue guy - we need a guy who is athletic and hustles and is just consistent on most nights. Think someone like Butler, Kevin Smith, Cayo, etc. Someone we know will give us effort, play good defense, and be there most nights for their 8 points, few rebounds, few assists, etc.
5) Bench - we need 1 guy off the bench to provide a spark each night or at least keep the level consistent. Last few years when we have been bad - our bench has been really bad. We don't need 6th man of the year, but the talent level can't dive when we sub guys in - and we can't have games where we only get 4-6-8 points from our bench.
The biggest 2 is our PG and Big man - and we didn't have that this year. Nelson didn't pan out like we hoped, and Quinn was good - but not good enough in this system and how Mooney operates. He might be there next year, which would be great - but I think we are still missing that PG piece.
I would tend to agree with this, but our now simplified offense does require some very key pieces in order to work. In the past- the defense was difficult, and I think was at its best when guys had played many minutes together and had a good feel for each other. The offense has simplified over times as well but needs the following to work.
1) PG must be our best player and be able to create on their own and off ball screens.
2) Big Man - must have a big man who can pass, score down low, and also be a threat to make jumpers out to the 3 point line. Doesn't have to be a great 3 point shooter, but enough you got to respect and guard him out there.
3) Shooters - we need guys outside of the PG and Big Man who can shoot. When teams focus on those 2 -these guys will get shots and need to be able to knock them down. This also opens up the back door cuts and driving opportunites for our PG.
4) Glue guy - we need a guy who is athletic and hustles and is just consistent on most nights. Think someone like Butler, Kevin Smith, Cayo, etc. Someone we know will give us effort, play good defense, and be there most nights for their 8 points, few rebounds, few assists, etc.
5) Bench - we need 1 guy off the bench to provide a spark each night or at least keep the level consistent. Last few years when we have been bad - our bench has been really bad. We don't need 6th man of the year, but the talent level can't dive when we sub guys in - and we can't have games where we only get 4-6-8 points from our bench.
The biggest 2 is our PG and Big man - and we didn't have that this year. Nelson didn't pan out like we hoped, and Quinn was good - but not good enough in this system and how Mooney operates. He might be there next year, which would be great - but I think we are still missing that PG piece.
Damn knee, so out of left field. Dad has never said coach sucks. Copy post if I’m wrong. You, on the other hand , was on kneepads for Mooney until this last season
What we have been looking for the past nearly two decades. His on time delivery record is mediocre at best.
Nope, no matter how many times I type it you can't seem to get it through your skull that I would prefer a different coach. I just don't think that every single negative thing that happens is Chris Mooney's fault. But if anyone on here types anything that defends Mooney in the slightest, you and a few others go apeshit and suggest that they are either a relative, involved in the program, or only care about Mooney to the detriment of the program.
I think this is reflective of a lot of people on this board, which is why those stridently on the pro or negative Moon sides can be so exasperating.
Most of us just want the program to win big and win consistently, at a better clip than .550. We don't want 4-5 year rebuilds that lead to a single NCAA bid if everything falls into place, or if they don't just resetting the clock for the same multi-year cycle, and accepting 8-10 years of missing out.
We don't care who the coach is who takes us there. I'm just as happy if it's Mooney. The criticism of him is borne out of a frustration that he hasn't been able to get to the NCAAs consistently, and be a REAL threat to make it in the majority of years, so the evidence suggests that maybe he isn't the guy able to be that kind of winner.
Stay leafy.
Most of us just want the program to win big and win consistently, at a better clip than .550. We don't want 4-5 year rebuilds that lead to a single NCAA bid if everything falls into place, or if they don't just resetting the clock for the same multi-year cycle, and accepting 8-10 years of missing out.
We don't care who the coach is who takes us there. I'm just as happy if it's Mooney. The criticism of him is borne out of a frustration that he hasn't been able to get to the NCAAs consistently, and be a REAL threat to make it in the majority of years, so the evidence suggests that maybe he isn't the guy able to be that kind of winner.
Stay leafy.
Agree Brownstone, I am fine with Mooney, if he can win consistently. Was hoping he could build off of the NCAA appearance and get back or close this last season. I do think if we land Brown that gives our back court the look of an NCAA caliber back court. I will agree with 4700 that PG play is critical, and we had all our eggs in the basket of a freshman, without much to fall back on. And when he struggled, we did not really have a plan B. I think King and Brown can play together well (Brown just seems like - from video and articles - the kind of swiss army knife that will do what is needed to win - AND play D), and gives us a back up if one is in foul trouble or hurt - that we are not relying on unproven commodoties. Additionaly, Dji can help with ballhandling, and maybe Smith - in a more limited role than Nelson can thrive. I recall Ced Lindsay as a freshman, not getting a ton of minutes but when he did looked really good.
I was biggest pro Mooney guy in early years, but was also fine if he would have left following the first two NCAA's. I did feel the VCU model (essentially providing a great opp to up and comer) of coach moving on every 5 years was the best one for us.
I was biggest pro Mooney guy in early years, but was also fine if he would have left following the first two NCAA's. I did feel the VCU model (essentially providing a great opp to up and comer) of coach moving on every 5 years was the best one for us.
I wish your nephew nothing but the best, I play a small role in Jason Nelson’s Jr. life when he played at TJ in 98-99.
I wonder what he will be saying (and who he will be blaming) when VCU gets a better PG to move past Nelson in the rotation. The chances of Nelson being their starting PG for the next 3 years are slim to none, and I am having a hard time finding slim anywhere.
I'm totally in favor of wanting the best for one's nephew, but this guy is coming off very petty and resentful.
not very reverend-like.
not very reverend-like.
Nelson will likely be on a winning team, but not have much of a role. And we will clean the floor against him when he plays us! This will pump up the rivalry from our perspective. Just what we needed. And all for the cost of a player who was disappointing for us. Giving away our leftovers to our rival. Works for me. Let's use this to our advantage!
What about for a local elected official?
Varina District - Henrico County, Virginia
Tyrone E. Nelson, Vice-Chairman Office - (804) 501
henrico.us
be able to create on their own and off ball screens. never happened...very very poor with ball screens and no defense...does the Omar have any eligibility?
I hope you’re right. But put me firmly on the side of believing in the slim outcome.
Update my friend, two new additions averaged about 30MPG each and combined about 20PPG. More looking into Odom impressed that these two only averaged 20 and 12 MPG previously year.
Hopefully they don't get Reid!
This man liked a couple of my tweets earlier. Him and some other guy got into a twitter argument under one of my tweets. Seems like a good man, just went bonkers on anyone questioning this transfer
I remember he vouched for him going into this year multiple times..............
I think it’s odd that this graphic was tweeted along with a positive comment. My analysis of it is Nelson was below average in nearly every facet of the game last year. The assist numbers are really the only major + on this graphic, and we all know his assist numbers were low last year (doesn’t add up to me).
Don't think that his numbers are going up next year, especially minutes played. Time will tell.
What a dumb graphic. Of course, a pg is gonna have better assists numbers and 3 pt fg% than your "average D-1" player, considering probably half of D-1 players are forwards and centers who by nature are not great 3 point shooters and assist generators.
Agree it is not a great graphic...That would be like me saying Dji shot 40% this season in 3 pt fg% and is our best 3 pt shooter...although he did shoot that, not a great or really honest saying. Stats can be made to say whatever we want them to.
Very odd graphic, and one of those stat graphics that seems so meaningless. This graphic tells me very little about Nelson as a player. And, the wording of the tweet is strange as well. Playmaking chops and perimeter shooting???? He had 64 assists and 58 turnovers, and only shot 30.8% from 3. This was just a bad all around tweet.
fwiw most outside observations r high on the Nelson pickup by VCU. Most probably expect upward trajectory from a young player w heavy usage. No guarantee of course but just guessing there is some forecasting going on here.
The a10 stats feed could easily be run a VCU guy idk but Richmond bball does follow it. Nelson analytics weren't very good but neither were they good for any of our inexperienced/young players like Dji Randolph or Walz. Part of that was they didn't get enough support, we needed others to play a little better too.
The a10 stats feed could easily be run a VCU guy idk but Richmond bball does follow it. Nelson analytics weren't very good but neither were they good for any of our inexperienced/young players like Dji Randolph or Walz. Part of that was they didn't get enough support, we needed others to play a little better too.
yes i give hard time to David G. many years ago especially one time when he had ball end of game and pushed with little time left, Ryan was open open open for three on wing ahead but David shot contested three , back before Coach had no gray hair and I am very sorry for my big mouth back in this time... maybe Goose plays with him in Finland??...
I gotta say, it's been pretty hilarious to see our recent program legends (Gilly/Grant) publicly express their frustration with JNel going to VCU. Love this quip from Gilly as a response to Nelson praising the VCU arena.
Well, looks like he is already fitting in quite well with academic side of things at VCU.
Well, whatever. I'm already steeling myself for the inevitability that he's going to have multiple career days against Richmond over the next 3 years.
I don't wish him ill, other than for the simple fact that he's playing for VCU.
I don't wish him ill, other than for the simple fact that he's playing for VCU.
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