Henry Coleman III - 2020 Offer
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Adjustments are made for athletes who leave in good academic standing to pursue a professional career and for transfers who are academically eligible.
A key aspect of APR is that is a rolling four year calculation and looks at all financially supported athletes, so a single individual doesn’t really hurt APR much.
A key aspect of APR is that is a rolling four year calculation and looks at all financially supported athletes, so a single individual doesn’t really hurt APR much.
Back on the topic of this thread, Coleman is an absolute stud. He’s currently ranked as #73 in the country for his class on 247 and #4 in VA. He’s the real deal
He has offers from half the ACC already. He isn't coming here.
absolutely. his video is incredible. that's not a realistic target, but you give him the hometown option just in case.
I mean this in a completely honest way: why can’t he be a realistic target?
He’s not a top 20 guy, who only go to blue chip programs. 4 star guys in the top 150 end up at A10 schools every year. Why aren’t we realistically striving to land them?
I feel that many times we, as a Richmond community, accept defeat on great players too easily. Why not us?!?! We are a great school, with a great basketball history, a beautiful campus, a new basketball facility about to be built, a great crowd, a capital City, etc etc!!!
In my opinion, this is exactly the guy we should be realistically shooting for.
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I get criticized for this all the time. I get it. we all want this kind of kid. but I'm realistic and I'd focus on guys we have a realistic shot at.
yes, because he's local there's a slim chance. so if the staff honestly feels he has a real preference to stay home ... then go it.
but from what I've seen on his video, he's an elite high major athlete. I don't care where he's ranked. he's going to have high major opportunities and that's where he'll go. I don't care who you have recruiting him.
people get excited about early offers to kids like this. we offered Scottie Lewis and Bryan Antoine early too. there's no point. there was no doubt since their freshman year, and maybe before, that they were high major kids.
yes, because he's local there's a slim chance. so if the staff honestly feels he has a real preference to stay home ... then go it.
but from what I've seen on his video, he's an elite high major athlete. I don't care where he's ranked. he's going to have high major opportunities and that's where he'll go. I don't care who you have recruiting him.
people get excited about early offers to kids like this. we offered Scottie Lewis and Bryan Antoine early too. there's no point. there was no doubt since their freshman year, and maybe before, that they were high major kids.
Totally get your point of view. I am just determined to be the flag bearer for moving the “realistic” view of SpiderNation.
It is a curious position that UR seems to be about the only A10 team that seems unable to land a 4* recruit, I think just about every other program has with maybe the exception of Fordham. Star ratings can be meaningless as we all know but it does feel like we start out from a defeatist position early.
we might just be me. our staff clearly does go after some of these high major types. don't blame the staff for my pessimism.
I blame your pessimism on the staff, s-man. I agree with others that you do have a very pessimistic view but as Mooney has shown he can't land this type of talent (despite numerous other A-10 coaches being able to), your pessimistic view is based in the reality of our situation right now.
lol. fair enough. maybe the next coach will surprise me. but I'm not holding my breath. until then I'll enjoy Grant, Jacob, Nick and friends.
I realize that you won't like hearing this, but the answer to your question is simple. Mooney has wrecked the program to such a point that it is VERY unlikely that a big time recruit will come here. Top players want to win, be on tv, play against the best, AND play in the NCAA tournament. A top recruit (stranger) is not going to sign on for a mediocre program unless there is an unusually strong personal connection.
Not to mention that top 100 players (and beyond, but definitely top 100 players) are guys with NBA aspirations (hence, wanting to win, being on tv, playing against the best, and playing in the tournament). I don't think our system translates particularly well to the NBA, either. Not that most do, but... Many programs have a much better feed into the NBA than we do, or our conference does.
Can you list all of the other team's 4 stars? I did not think the A-10 had that many, but I could be wrong. It would be interesting seeing a list and seeing how they did.
Maybe someone could compile a list of players who played in the A-10 in the last dozen years with a 4 star rating by at least one service?
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Just got to verbal commits and check it out for yourself. There are lots of 4* in the A10.
Not worth the time. I figured the guy that mentioned it would know since he posted it.
Anyway, the theme seems to be Mooney cannot recruit or coach, but if all of these other teams except us are recruiting better and supposedly getting 4 star recruits, and Mooney is still well above .500 in the A-10, including 8 games over .500 the past 7 seasons (after the tourney bids), wouldn't that mean he is doing a heck of a job coaching? Seems like some of you are trying to have it both ways when the numbers do not back you up.
8 games over .500 in 7 seasons is pretty much about 1 game over .500 on average per season, no? We're really cooking with gas there.
OK, I will start the list:
1) Kendrick Warren - VCU - I know was not A10 but currently is
Sorry Vermont, could not help myself
Just kidding around.
1) Kendrick Warren - VCU - I know was not A10 but currently is
Sorry Vermont, could not help myself
Just kidding around.
I'm pretty happy at the end of the day with a winning record. A tournament appearance would be wonderful but if we have a winning record in conference play it most likely means we did well in OOC play as well and had ourselves a nice little season. This past season obviously is an exception to that
Davidson is most like us as a school. they have predominantly 2 star kids who are really good. and they win. that's the model.
URI probably has the most 4 star kids. different kind of school that has a better chance at landing them.
what's 4 star again. top 150?
URI probably has the most 4 star kids. different kind of school that has a better chance at landing them.
what's 4 star again. top 150?
If Verbal Commits is accurate, is there a split?
Name Average Stars
Rhode Island 2.923
La Salle 2.885
Saint Louis 2.833
Dayton 2.81
VCU 2.727
Massachusetts 2.7
Saint Joseph's 2.639
George Washington 2.424
George Mason 2.37
Duquesne 2.364
Davidson 2.306
St. Bonaventure 2.3
Richmond 2.278
Fordham 2.167
Some do well with lesser players, some do poorly with better players...
We have been such a winning program over the last 7-8 years that I have literally forgotten what going to the tournament feels like.
higher ranked players.
the verbalcommits ranking are sometimes bizarre. they'd suggest Pistokache and Singleton were better recruits than Grant Golden.
Agree on both counts.higher ranked players.
the verbalcommits ranking are sometimes bizarre. they'd suggest Pistokache and Singleton were better recruits than Grant Golden.
Does 247 summarize Roster Ratings?
I don't have a list, but as noted, the data is out there for those who care to see it.
I personally don't think CM is a poor coach. By most measures, he has done the most with the least, vis a vis being productive with what annually is considered a fairly low-rated set of players. Again, star ratings are somewhat dubious, but broadly they reasonably represent capability and on average, we tend to rate toward the bottom.
What seems fair is to say that CM is a poor recruiter, which everyone should acknowledge is likely due to more than just one thing. He's not a bad talent evaluator, in spite of offering guys with limited talent. He's also not playing with a fully loaded gun, trying to get guys over academic/admission humps here that don't exist elsewhere. He does seem to have difficulty closing the deal with guys of varying star ratings, suggesting that he may not be the best salesman out there, in spite of the fact that many of his former players seem to love him.
I just don't think it's as simple as saying he's above .500 and well above .500 in the A10. If we were great in the A10, we would have won more season titles and/or conference tournament championships. We've won 1 I believe. So there is reason to think we can do better. Maybe with better talent he does better. To date he has definitely struggled making adjustments for the talent he does have.
It's a hell of a feeling. You walk around in your Richmond gear and are bada$$. People congratulate you even though you work at mop factory 14 hours/day, and post about basketball 11.5 hours/day - you are a star. Colleagues swoon and ask if you went to Richmond. It is cool.
And you smile:
At our peak, we were trending on Prodigy and Compuserve.
4 Stars in the A10 since 2008 according to 247 composite:
Davidson: Kellan Grady (2017)
Dayton: Paul Williams (2008), Juwan Staten (2010), Dwayne Cohill (2018)
Duquesne: Melquan Bolding (2008), Jordan Robinson (2013)
Fordham: Jio Fontan (2008)
George Mason: Erik Copes (2011), Patrick Holloway (2012)
George Washington: None
LaSalle: Aaric Murray (2009)
UMass: David Gibbs (2008), Terrell Vinson (2009), DeJon Jerreau (2016)
URI: E.C. Matthews (2013), Jared Terrell (2014), Jermaine Harris (2018)
Richmond: None
St. Louis: Brett Thompson (2008), Jordan Goodwin (2017), Carte’Are Gordon (2018)
St. Bonaventure: None
St. Josephs: None
VCU: Melvin Johnson (2012), Terry Larrier (2014), Justin Tillman (2014), De’Riante Jenkins (2016)
11 recruiting classes. 22 4 Stars. 2 per year. I did not include Xavier while they were in the A10 during the time period (2008-2012), in which they had 10 4 Stars on their own...
Davidson: Kellan Grady (2017)
Dayton: Paul Williams (2008), Juwan Staten (2010), Dwayne Cohill (2018)
Duquesne: Melquan Bolding (2008), Jordan Robinson (2013)
Fordham: Jio Fontan (2008)
George Mason: Erik Copes (2011), Patrick Holloway (2012)
George Washington: None
LaSalle: Aaric Murray (2009)
UMass: David Gibbs (2008), Terrell Vinson (2009), DeJon Jerreau (2016)
URI: E.C. Matthews (2013), Jared Terrell (2014), Jermaine Harris (2018)
Richmond: None
St. Louis: Brett Thompson (2008), Jordan Goodwin (2017), Carte’Are Gordon (2018)
St. Bonaventure: None
St. Josephs: None
VCU: Melvin Johnson (2012), Terry Larrier (2014), Justin Tillman (2014), De’Riante Jenkins (2016)
11 recruiting classes. 22 4 Stars. 2 per year. I did not include Xavier while they were in the A10 during the time period (2008-2012), in which they had 10 4 Stars on their own...
I follow UR and A10 basketball fairly closely and it's amazing how many of these 4 stars I either know had inconsequential careers or I've never even heard of.
