We are 30-9 in the last 14 months. In the last 4 seasons we are 55-49. That’s not good enough.
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We are 30-9 in the last 14 months. In the last 4 seasons we are 55-49. That’s not good enough.
Nobody has said that, you’re just assuming that to be the case. Everybody has different views and expectations of the team. I won’t speak for anybody else, but to me the start we had had this season is a slap in the face and absolutely unacceptable.
Bingo!
With the team returning even w/out NS as well as the preseason hype especially on this board, this is what I would think are reasonable expectations:
Assuming there is an NCAA tournament this year, our participation should be a given. Anything less...fill in the blanks.
Finishing top 2 or certainly no lower than 3 in regular season in A10. In my mind, that's being generous for an expectation of no lower than 3.
Beating VCU twice. Splitting is really not good. And being swept would be atrocious.
If the above goals are not reasonable expectations, then someone please have at it.
8legs1dream
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losing to hoftsra and nearly losing to several other teams that this season we should have easily annihilated, THIS team was supposed to be the one where all the puzzle pieces were in place for us to really make some serious noise.
The number of you that are already fully prepared to eat up every excuse in the book as we get back to our regularly scheduled Spider irrelevancy programming is disturbing. I bet you are so amped up for Moonpie's 2023-2024 team huh
Nearly losing to other teams? Come on. So, now wins aren't even good enough, we need to rout teams, even good teams with talent? Yes, we lost to Hofstra, who in my opinion will win the CAA this year. Should we beat them? Yes, but isn't it the same to say Wisconsin should have beaten us last year? What's the difference? We lost to a good team in a lesser conference just like Wisconsin did last year. It happens. We are 6-2 and haven't even played a conference game yet. I think some of you should just chill out a little bit and give us a chance before writing us off this year.
You’ve said it’s all about the eye test this year...do you really think we’re passing it so far? Even the players say they’re playing poorly.
Here's what I will say: Given the schedule we actually have faced this year, I don't think many people expected us to go 8-0. I did expect us to beat Kentucky, and we did. I thought WVU would be a game. It wasn't. Overall, I would have expected us to be 7-1. We are 6-2. So far, in my estimation, we are only one game behind what we should be.
We haven't looked anywhere near the way I hoped we would look in getting there, but nothing has been lost so far that can't be reclaimed. We just need to get a win we aren't expected to get.
My hope preseason for the A10 schedule was 15-3. Can we do that? If so, I won't really care about losing to Hofstra.
We haven't looked anywhere near the way I hoped we would look in getting there, but nothing has been lost so far that can't be reclaimed. We just need to get a win we aren't expected to get.
My hope preseason for the A10 schedule was 15-3. Can we do that? If so, I won't really care about losing to Hofstra.
Agreed...this can still be an extremely successful season. The problem is we haven’t looked like a team that can go 15-3 in conference. Could it happen? Sure, but it’s going to take more than what we’ve seen in the first eight games.
Where has Cayo been? He was our savior early on? And Grant cannot just grab 2 rebounds if we are going to win. Francis is a streaky shooter, if he’s struggling you need to give more time to our favorite Fin.
I will take 14-4. This year and every year. Whether we have a team full of seniors or not, give me 14-4 IC and I will like our chances to dance. First of all, 14-4 means we played 18 IC games, so just doing that would be a key thing to do this year. Secondly, that gets us to 20-6 before the conference tourney, and there will be fewer teams with 20 wins this year. 3rd, that should get us 1st or 2nd A-10, which seems a little more important than usual this year.
I am thinking we need to go at least 4-3 against SLU (2), St Bona (2), VCU (2), and Dayton, which would leave 10-1 against the rest of the A-10. So, if this happens, not only do we get to 14 wins, but we add some what should be much needed solid A-10 wins.
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Appears to be a pretty low bar for the best team ever which was picked to win the A10.
Translation - you too are concerned about play to date so are lowering expectations.
8legs1dream
Graduate Assistant
I shudder to think about what the Richmond Community College crowd will say if we do anything besides sweep them this year. And come to think of it I shudder to think about what the future holds if this senior laden team gets worked by their team of mostly freshmen and sophomores
Translation. Wrong. Low bar? Lol. Last time I checked 14-4 is pretty damn good. There are other teams in the conference who have lots of talent and are trying to win also. It's not like we play Fordham at home 18 times. If you aren't happy with a 14-4 IC record, that's your problem, not our players' or coaches'.
8legs1dream
Graduate Assistant
yeah that wasn't against their team of a generation was it? are you trying to miss the point?
Want an A10 Championship as predicted. You are fudging. Never won regular season championship in 15year Mooney era. If not this year, when?
Cayo has lost all aggressiveness. Dont get it. I wonder if Coach told him to stop scoring so much. And Golden is too worried about his bun to be looking to grab boards.
Good lord 4700 is the WEAKEST poster ever. Let's try to grow a pair spidernation. Mooney needs to go.
Yes, I want to win the A-10. No, I am not fudging. Since we went to an 18 game IC schedule, 14-4 has finished 1st twice and 2nd the other 4 times. So, yes, I would always be happy to go 14-4, this year when we are favored, and other years when we are not, but definitely this year when our 3 pt shooting might be an issue in a few more games than we had originally hoped. Those of you that are so down on our team and so worried about it, I would think you would be pretty happy with 14-4.
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No one is down on the team. Jeez, we are all die hard Spider fans.
I tend to agree with VT4700. Sure, we shouldn’t ever loose to Hofstra, and if we
had defend against the three’s better, we might (emphasis on might) have beaten WVU.
Negative Nancy’s, check back with me after 6-8 more games,
4700 I’m curious about something, would an NIT bid be considered a successful season this year to you?
We're 6-2 with a pretty good resume. All in all, I think the team is where they need to be record wise at the end of OOC.
However, watching this team go to 6-2, you can't help to have concerns. We play with a lasseiz faire attitude out there. Looks like we know we are good and feel that we can turn "it" on whenever we want to and win. Problem is this allows other teams to get "hot" and sometimes we can either get them out of their groove or get back into ours.
Too me, the biggest culprits are Gilly and Mooney. Mooney has always coached with the laid back approach and it bleeds to his team, really nothing we can do about Mooney, he is who he is.
As I watch Gilly, I see that style of play in him as well. Gilly is our leader and his teammates will follow his lead. I need to see a little more grinding from him at times, a little more on court leadership (and a little less bitching to the refs). I need to see him knock down big shots, the Kevin Anderson comparisons right now seem a bit premature. Gilly makes the highlight reel plays, but when we need him to knock down at an open 3 or runner in the lane, we've seen a lot of misses or deferring to his teammates.
Don't get me wrong, Gilly is a fantastic player, but if he is indeed one of the best PG's in the country and if this team is gonna be a solid at large, Top 25is team, we need more from him than his steals and assists. We need big time plays at crunch time, we need him to knock down open 3's, and runners in the lane.
You ask any commentator, who hasn't watched all of our games, and ask them who are best players is and probably all of them say Gilly, you ask people who've watched our 8 games this year and ask them who the best player has been thus far, I bet you get a different answer, Burton.
However, watching this team go to 6-2, you can't help to have concerns. We play with a lasseiz faire attitude out there. Looks like we know we are good and feel that we can turn "it" on whenever we want to and win. Problem is this allows other teams to get "hot" and sometimes we can either get them out of their groove or get back into ours.
Too me, the biggest culprits are Gilly and Mooney. Mooney has always coached with the laid back approach and it bleeds to his team, really nothing we can do about Mooney, he is who he is.
As I watch Gilly, I see that style of play in him as well. Gilly is our leader and his teammates will follow his lead. I need to see a little more grinding from him at times, a little more on court leadership (and a little less bitching to the refs). I need to see him knock down big shots, the Kevin Anderson comparisons right now seem a bit premature. Gilly makes the highlight reel plays, but when we need him to knock down at an open 3 or runner in the lane, we've seen a lot of misses or deferring to his teammates.
Don't get me wrong, Gilly is a fantastic player, but if he is indeed one of the best PG's in the country and if this team is gonna be a solid at large, Top 25is team, we need more from him than his steals and assists. We need big time plays at crunch time, we need him to knock down open 3's, and runners in the lane.
You ask any commentator, who hasn't watched all of our games, and ask them who are best players is and probably all of them say Gilly, you ask people who've watched our 8 games this year and ask them who the best player has been thus far, I bet you get a different answer, Burton.
Your French spelling is poor, but I agree with the sentiment. There are definitely things to be concerned about: defending the perimeter, regression of free throw shooting, lack of consistent three point shooting to name a few. I don't put it on Gilly, necessarily. I think two years ago he knew he needed to score, so he did and averaged 16 a game. Last year, he didn't, he just needed to facilitate and he did that. I think he's rounding into figuring out the balance for THIS edition, and will settle in at about 15 points a game, which seems about the right mix of scoring and facilitating. He'll be fine.
Our biggest issue has been defensively not the 3's. The 3 pt shooting might end up being an issue but if Gilly wasn't so down there it wouldn't be talked about much right now. Even with Gilly being off we're not too far behind last year numbers. Of course losing Sherod hurts there but Burton is shooting it well and playing lights out and he's picked up most of the Sherod minutes. Burton is also better defender so theoretically we should be as good or better than last season but we've regressed on D across the board. I think that mentality is a lot on coaching.
We have 4-5 guys who most would legitimately put into all A10 consideration (1st thru 3rd team). And one of the best 6th man in league. That's without Sherod. I wish we had him no doubt. we still got 3 all time type players in UR history. That's a ton.
Look I don't take anything for granted but we should expect to win the A10.
My grammar on message boards is admittedly terrible. Hopefully, the point gets across. As for Gilly, lets hope this is the case. Yes, we have a lot of weapons on offense, but he is our most critical and we can't have him missing so many wide opens up.
He is playing fine right now, but for us to get where we want to go, we him playing at more of an All American level, which he is fully capable of. We need him to be the best player on the court by far. Right now, he is being bested by one of his teammates in that category.
I still think the resume right now is in an okay position. Of course the team has to do well in A10 play but was expecting losses to UK and WV. Hiccup to Hofstra but beat UK which right now still is rated highly by say Kenpom. UK still plays GOOD defense just need to start shooting better. See them only improving drastically as the season goes on.
And with UR basically just need Jacob to SHOOT better from deep. Believe he will and hopefully sooner than later. Had 3 guys (Nick, Blake, Jacob) last year who shot well from deep and Burton appears to be that 3rd guy this season.
Crabtree looks like he's ready to get more minutes to help with Nick's absence. He has to or someone else because Mooney seems to not using the bench enough with them getting only 20% of the minutes. I know it's been his MO but last few years he has trusted the bench more.
And with UR basically just need Jacob to SHOOT better from deep. Believe he will and hopefully sooner than later. Had 3 guys (Nick, Blake, Jacob) last year who shot well from deep and Burton appears to be that 3rd guy this season.
Crabtree looks like he's ready to get more minutes to help with Nick's absence. He has to or someone else because Mooney seems to not using the bench enough with them getting only 20% of the minutes. I know it's been his MO but last few years he has trusted the bench more.
Wilson was giving us a nice spark on defense, but no time lately. I'm fine with heavy minutes for the starters, but maybe sometimes when a guy is making bad decisions or low effort on D, put him on the bench for two minutes.
My guy has lowered expectations/projections. 12-6, 18-8.
In my opinion, he is giving too much weight to home court (no fans). But he's the pro.
I sure hope he's wrong.
In my opinion, he is giving too much weight to home court (no fans). But he's the pro.
I sure hope he's wrong.
I'd go probably. Certainly if we only lose three more and that includes the A-10 tourney, we'd either win the tourney or have only two losses in the regular season which should win us the regular season title and I'd think that gets us in. But if that's all just regular season and three losses doesn't win regular season and we don't win the tourney, we start to have something to worry about. Still think we get in, but its no lock in my view in this season. That's about equivalent to last years 24-7 and 2nd place and while we were likely in, we weren't a lock for sure!
8legs1dream
Graduate Assistant
Old Bracket Joe being on salary finally starting to pay off, he has us on the NCAA radar at least in his latest "Next Four Out" group 😳
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