that's criminal. designated drivers should get free water, free soda, and a letter of commendation.
2023–24 NET Ratings
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Fortunately most bars will do that re: soda or water. If coming from the taps. U r screwed elsewhere like an arena.
Probably similar to my face when the vendor at Barclays in Brooklyn rang me up at the “Imports” price of $17 for a Brooklyn Lager. When I asked how Brooklyn Lager could be an import considering it was made in Brooklyn about 3 miles away from where we stood, she explained that the sign should have really read Imports and Craft beers.
I miss the days of AC and Boardwalk Hall where you could just drink free next door at the casino until basically gametime, and then be back at the tables 5m after it ended. (Free being a relative term depending on your gambling style.)
I don't know how AC today compares with AC of 2010, but unless it's horrifically worse, getting the tournament back there would be awesome.
Needed to win by 21. Too little too late.
Nothing has changed. It's AC. Times change, that city does not change with them.
Love the old Boardwalk Hall. Staying at Ceasars, walk next door to catch pieces of other games, walk back and hang out in the casino bars, and just go back and forth.
yep UR 72 -> 70
VCU 76 -> 73
Bonne 69 -> 67 ..
so Q1 game for VCU on Sat and Q2 for us.
I remain baffled by SOS jumps. Here are some in B12 alone.
Houston: OOC 229. Overall 41
Iowa St: OOC 351. Overall 70
BYU: OOC 318. Overall 61
Texas: OOC 288. Overall 34
TCU: OOC 355. Overall 63
Oklahoma: OOC 325. Overall 60
Cincinnati: OOC 298. Overall 51
UCF: OOC 335. Overall 73
KSU: OOC 207. Overall 39.
OSU: OOC 326. Overall 64.
Texas Tech: OOC 269. Overall 48.
Every other conference noted that the B12 was dead last in OOC SOS yet is just fine now bc they loaded up on cupcakes so they all showed up with great records in conference. Then magically, they play one another and everyone is top 75. Kansas, Baylor, WVU and Kansas scheduled OOC to have a decent SOS but even they moved from 72 - 110 OOC SOS ranges to 5, 6 and 10 in overall SOS.
Going forward, expect that no one in P5 conferences will schedule any good games OOC. They'll just bank on their numbers being collectively raised by their conferences.
Every bottom A10 team should schedule zero good teams and try to show up to league play at 12-1 every season.
Gotta game the system this way, A10. Don't schedule games you might lose.
Houston: OOC 229. Overall 41
Iowa St: OOC 351. Overall 70
BYU: OOC 318. Overall 61
Texas: OOC 288. Overall 34
TCU: OOC 355. Overall 63
Oklahoma: OOC 325. Overall 60
Cincinnati: OOC 298. Overall 51
UCF: OOC 335. Overall 73
KSU: OOC 207. Overall 39.
OSU: OOC 326. Overall 64.
Texas Tech: OOC 269. Overall 48.
Every other conference noted that the B12 was dead last in OOC SOS yet is just fine now bc they loaded up on cupcakes so they all showed up with great records in conference. Then magically, they play one another and everyone is top 75. Kansas, Baylor, WVU and Kansas scheduled OOC to have a decent SOS but even they moved from 72 - 110 OOC SOS ranges to 5, 6 and 10 in overall SOS.
Going forward, expect that no one in P5 conferences will schedule any good games OOC. They'll just bank on their numbers being collectively raised by their conferences.
Every bottom A10 team should schedule zero good teams and try to show up to league play at 12-1 every season.
Gotta game the system this way, A10. Don't schedule games you might lose.
Seth Davis had this tweet and some replies other day. But he was killed in comments, because he seemingly was oblivious that the quads are determined by the NET rankings.
Can someone put this into layman's terms? I have no idea what he is trying to say here.
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The NCAA ranks you how good you are. That calculation is not shared. People are guessing that if you blow out bad teams you will be ranked higher and they have good data to support that this year. Nobody really knows for sure.
Well, what he concludes with farther down on his tweet is that it is the committee's job to spot the outliers. Basically, he says he is not sure the Big 12 gamed the system but even if they did, the committee has generally looked poorly on teams with bad schedules.
Our SOS is 128 and our non conference SOS is 197, so while this is better than any of the Big 12 schools, it is also not something to write home about either.
I think we have a shot at an at-large if a few things go right, and the reason is our combined Q1/Q2 record. It's 6-5 right now. If we beat VCU, it's 7-5 (at least for a little longer, with them being right on the fringe of 75) and it's 8-5 if we beat George Mason. Then assuming we go 1-1 against two of the other top-4 teams in the A-10 tourney, it would be 9-6 (potentially 10-6, depending who else we beat).
That's pretty impressive. Look at the teams ahead of us in NET, and you will see that very few between the top-40 and us compare. In that range, only McNeese (3-2), Drake (5-4), Northwestern (10-7) and South Carolina (9-3) have winning records in Q1/2 games.
If we end up 9-6 in Q1/2 games, that part of our resume looks like a lot more like a top-40 team than a sub-40 one. And if the committee really values that stuff as we have heard, they'd have to take a long look at us.
That's pretty impressive. Look at the teams ahead of us in NET, and you will see that very few between the top-40 and us compare. In that range, only McNeese (3-2), Drake (5-4), Northwestern (10-7) and South Carolina (9-3) have winning records in Q1/2 games.
If we end up 9-6 in Q1/2 games, that part of our resume looks like a lot more like a top-40 team than a sub-40 one. And if the committee really values that stuff as we have heard, they'd have to take a long look at us.
the Big 12 NET manipulation might be the best thing that has happened to get the NET changed.
I think if we win out we'd have 9 true road wins. Add in UNLV and at least 1 in Brooklyn and 11 road/neutral wins is pretty good too.
I'm going with anything that is not NET as our resume. But I do feel if we are outright champions of the #8 league and not included in the NCAA Championship tournament, there is something wrong with how they are doing it all. The A10 may feel a bit down but #8 is #8.
I'm going with anything that is not NET as our resume. But I do feel if we are outright champions of the #8 league and not included in the NCAA Championship tournament, there is something wrong with how they are doing it all. The A10 may feel a bit down but #8 is #8.
As things are playing out, it sure looks like it would be ideal if JMU (53) Grand Canyon (54) and McNeese (55) win their conference tourneys since some of the bubble watches mention them as "work to do" and don't want these 3 teams to take any bubble slots.
Very much agree. Its not like UR had an awful OOC. Winning conference at 16-2 or 15-3, and not getting a bid would be a slight for the whole conference. All would have to ask, what does it take?
Definitely agree. They would likely all get at-large bid over Spiders. I know many say NET is only a tool but this is all about the NET number. Same record but metrics better UR would be firmly on the bubble.
The only explanation is that they won like 5 games by 25+ points or something earlier in the year. I remember looking it up a couple weeks back. It's nuts.
Completely ridiculous. Barely over .500 in league playing and losing to the same teams as UR is beating. The system is a sham and that example explains it clearly.
Up the “win bonus”, decelerate the efficiency metric. Efficiency should still be a factor but less of one! If the goal of the NET is to rank the best teams it clearly fails in this St Bona vs Richmond example. Should be examined alongside the Big 12 bs
8legs1dream
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if you look back at the timeline of their NET they took a FIFTY-ONE POINT JUMP (!!!!!) in the rankings after beating Niagara 94-60 and have been hovering around the 60-70 range ever since. So they did the Big12 trick of playing a couple of legitimately good teams, FAU and Auburn, that the metrics don't even care if you win or lose those games you will still be rewarded and then beat the tar out of a bunch of garbage teams and voilà!
Next year, we should schedule a few OOC road games at terrible teams. Just go destroy them and get the double bump as a result.
We're visiting the Tribe next year, right? Worked out well for us last time!
100% with you on our OOC
We lost to Boston College (15-13), Colorado (19-9), Wichita State (12-17, yikes), Northern Iowa (17-13), and Florida (20-8)
That Wichita State game is really rough and one we had to have. And we lost by double digits.
DeLonnie was out injured for Wichita State and Northern Iowa and I bet we win both of those with him. Feels like that should be taken into consideration.
