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Do you approve of the move to the Patriot League?

What would this board be saying if Villanova and W&M had announced that they were leaving for the PL or one of them? It's an honest question.
Id of accepted it much more easily and I hope they do now that we made it. What's done is done. I want what's best for this program even if it proves others I don't agree with correct. Were in a tough spot being a non voting member of this conference as we watched it drop in quality. I understand the desire to leave it and have some say over the makeup of your opponents. It would of essentially killed off the CAA and make it easier for PL to recruit.

I'm not against leaving the CAA as I said. I just think we jumped the gun and the admin took advantage of the regular fans disgust with the state of the CAA and used it as an excuse to go the PL rather than have a public discourse over it since our administration has the social skills of a wasp.

I don't trust this was the wisest move, certainly in the short term, and likely the long term if the Patriot League as a whole doesn't elevate its game as a league and no one else joins. Outside the platitude of hope, it sounds like we made our move and hope we can shoehorn two other programs to capitulate to this brand of football when all of us have had much success previously against every type of school out there at the FCS level. You don't think Mike London and Novas coach are already recruiting against us right now talking about the quality of the two conferences? Its an honest question.

My question is, Do you think it is as big a step down as it would have been 20 years ago?

I think that is the reason for mixed reactions. I have always wanted this move to work, but have also always been very skeptical of it.
No, but its a step down without bringing the others along. Will gladly breathe a sigh of relief but not overly thrilled. Its not so much the big step down so much as an acknowledgement that we are no aiming to compete at the highest level respective to the classification we play in. No one is going to mistake the PL for a top tier league any season.

I think were looking at it as we had to either stay in the CAA or go to the Patriot League, but I would of like to have seen more options explored before going this alone.

I get that's not easy to do, but this move alone tells me that we are not at all on the same page with Villanova and WM with regards to what we want to do with our football program/conference affiliation.

Mike Walz - Player Eval

I think you may be underrating his passing. If anything, he passed too much maybe, but he was pretty decisive and he zipped it into guys.

Next step for him I think is having confidence to score. Shackles may have been on a bit as the backup 5, but next year he’ll have to score if he expects to be the lead center.
TBone I think confidence is the optimum word, as Mike needs to let the last play go and move on. He showed disappointment too easily after a bad play and would get down on himself. I like his toughness and his shooting has improved from close, mid and long range.

Football to Patriot League. Should basketball and rest of sports be concerned?

My thoughts on Lacrosse.

I think our odds are better at winning a D1 National Championship in Lacrosse than FBS Football…

But I don’t think Pro lacrosse generates more revenue than the NFL…
I agree, but also believe as more P5 schools pick up LAX that window closes even more.
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Do you approve of the move to the Patriot League?

A few rambling thoughts not meant to inflame the fan base but I am sure some will perceive it as such.

I am genuinely shocked at the level apathy, acceptance and even enthusiasm by some of the fans (many of whom I respect) moving to the PL, who have lost their lunch over a hastily thought out administrative decisions in the past (Rocco, Dropping Soccer, PL move 1.0) cheer this move. I feel like were looking at this move through rose colored glasses only, desperate to do anything at the changing landscape of college athletics. Most non UR people I know that spoke to me about it think we're insane.

I get we all hate the CAA and not suggesting it wasn't time to leave but there were and are other options that would of benefitted this program. The fact that we only had only 35 fans even vote on this website shows the sad state of the support of this program that within the past 15 years would draw 20k crowds and now cant even put 2k fans in the stands for a game is depressing.

Joining this league is not going to grow the fan base nor attract top notch FCS football talent, it just gives us a convenient landing spot to play on average historically worse programs that we have a ton in common academically with which is something we wailed against for basketball but all of a sudden are fine with in football? A rising tide lifts all boats, and we decided to float in low tide with a nice yacht hoping itll be able to sail smoothly. Just look at some of the players response on social media and tell me you think were going to attract the same level of talent with a straight face.

If you thought crowds were bad before, just wait. Its laughable to think that the students of today, who cant even be bothered to walk across campus when we had JMU, Delaware, WM come to campus to all of a sudden think as alums they're going to go to a Holy Cross-UR game in Worchester.

When we almost left back in 2005, there was enough support to prevent what would of been a catastrophic move for our football program. Less than 3 years later we were a national champion. Show of hands who thinks that we have taken a step towards being that relevant with the same move 20 years later?

Im not going to be all doom and gloom. I do admit something needed to be done, and over time there is potential for this not to be as bad as a move on paper as it seems. There are a couple of nice perks like no longer dealing with Flo and a consistent schedule each year. But it seems that were selling a lot of hope that Villanova (Where there is no smoke currently that they're joining) and that WM will continue the series (Quick search already shows in 25/27 they already have a full non conference slate and WM was quite petty over our departure in 2000 from the CAA refusing to schedule us in hoops (Not nearly as big a deal since we don't need that game). It seems to me that we are trying to force their hand and hope for the best while thinking in the mean time we found ourselves a landing spot. If that's the case I have 0 faith in our administration and in reading the room there.

The move makes sense in some areas one could argue, but its quite a ways away from being a slam dunk, and certainly not something that will provide a boost in incoming talent.
My question is, Do you think it is as big a step down as it would have been 20 years ago?

I think that is the reason for mixed reactions. I have always wanted this move to work, but have also always been very skeptical of it.

Do you approve of the move to the Patriot League?

A few rambling thoughts not meant to inflame the fan base but I am sure some will perceive it as such.

I am genuinely shocked at the level apathy, acceptance and even enthusiasm by some of the fans (many of whom I respect) moving to the PL, who have lost their lunch over a hastily thought out administrative decisions in the past (Rocco, Dropping Soccer, PL move 1.0) cheer this move. I feel like were looking at this move through rose colored glasses only, desperate to do anything at the changing landscape of college athletics. Most non UR people I know that spoke to me about it think we're insane.

I get we all hate the CAA and not suggesting it wasn't time to leave but there were and are other options that would of benefitted this program. The fact that we only had only 35 fans even vote on this website shows the sad state of the support of this program that within the past 15 years would draw 20k crowds and now cant even put 2k fans in the stands for a game is depressing.

Joining this league is not going to grow the fan base nor attract top notch FCS football talent, it just gives us a convenient landing spot to play on average historically worse programs that we have a ton in common academically with which is something we wailed against for basketball but all of a sudden are fine with in football? A rising tide lifts all boats, and we decided to float in low tide with a nice yacht hoping itll be able to sail smoothly. Just look at some of the players response on social media and tell me you think were going to attract the same level of talent with a straight face.

If you thought crowds were bad before, just wait. Its laughable to think that the students of today, who cant even be bothered to walk across campus when we had JMU, Delaware, WM come to campus to all of a sudden think as alums they're going to go to a Holy Cross-UR game in Worchester.

When we almost left back in 2005, there was enough support to prevent what would of been a catastrophic move for our football program. Less than 3 years later we were a national champion. Show of hands who thinks that we have taken a step towards being that relevant with the same move 20 years later?

Im not going to be all doom and gloom. I do admit something needed to be done, and over time there is potential for this not to be as bad as a move on paper as it seems. There are a couple of nice perks like no longer dealing with Flo and a consistent schedule each year. But it seems that were selling a lot of hope that Villanova (Where there is no smoke currently that they're joining) and that WM will continue the series (Quick search already shows in 25/27 they already have a full non conference slate and WM was quite petty over our departure in 2000 from the CAA refusing to schedule us in hoops (Not nearly as big a deal since we don't need that game). It seems to me that we are trying to force their hand and hope for the best while thinking in the mean time we found ourselves a landing spot. If that's the case I have 0 faith in our administration and in reading the room there.

The move makes sense in some areas one could argue, but its quite a ways away from being a slam dunk, and certainly not something that will provide a boost in incoming talent.
What would this board be saying if Villanova and W&M had announced that they were leaving for the PL or one of them? It's an honest question.

Spider football to the Patriot League in 2025

That would take proactive, aggressive and creative leadership in the AD. That seems to have been in short supply for football in recent years.

I have no idea if we even tried to fix the CAA.

This proposed conference reminds me of the mythical “Magnolia League” from rumors years ago. It would rock!

It remains to be seen how this move affects the program long term. I’m going to give it a chance and see what happens. When we dropped to I-AA in the early 80’s I felt like the world had ended. Then a similar feeling when we joined the Yankee v. Southern in mid 80’s. Obviously a lot has changed since those days, but Spiders football is still alive and I’ll support it.

Ha. Somewhere there is a JMU fan saying “I told you so.” They predicted the Spiders to the Patriot League in 2006.

Go Spiders!
When we switched to I-AA, our football world did end.

Spider football to the Patriot League in 2025

I agree with this.

Not a popular move right now - I get it - but we might be among the "winners" in this shakeup, if there are any.

The CAA as it currently stands is a bad league with worse leadership.
Yeah, CAA is terrible now. Seems like a terrible move to go Patriot, but we are trying to escape a sinking ship. No good options. But does it really matter? Football at our level, while actually decent football, doesn't mean much to most everyone.

Spider football to the Patriot League in 2025

If he isn't smart enough to see this was a bad decision, hardly believe he's smart enough to save this series.

The fact that this board isn't melting down and sharpening pitchforks over this like back in 2005 just shows how little anyone cares about winning championships from the fans to the admin. The nerdy admins have finally won out after breaking our fan base for years.
People on the Spider messageboard would be way more bent out of shape if this were basketball. We already play at a level of football that may as well be Div IV. No recognition no matter how well we do. Does anyone care about playing Monmouth or even powerful Elon for that matter. In other sports at least we play real teams.

Football to Patriot League. Should basketball and rest of sports be concerned?

I'm not belittling lacrosse. I don't especially care for it and don't watch it, but it's a fine sport. It seems to be a excellent addition to our athletic department, even if it came at the expense of men's soccer (which I played at UR at the club level and my younger brother played at the varsity level), which we never should have dropped.

My point was, we have yet to win a first-round NCAA game. While it's certainly an admirable goal to shoot for, I think it's a bit of a stretch at this point to be talking national championship.

Spider football to the Patriot League in 2025

I don't see WM going anywhere...Nova is a different atory
I agree with Wood Hall (who just had a heart attack because I’m agreeing with him) . W & M just spent a lot of money fixing up their
Stadium . They aren’t going to want to play Stony Brook or Campbell for
long. The name Colgate, Georgetown, Bucknell, now Richmond have far
better cachet

Do you approve of the move to the Patriot League?

Are u from the area? My 1st wife was from Corning and I'm from 'cuse.
From the 716, suburban Buffalo.

Ferrum: You post is well thought-out and articulated. But this is not 2005, and the CAA we are leaving in no way, shape or form resembles the CAA of 2005.

I believe (given the current upheaval in college football) this move was the best for our program in the long run, providing long-term league stability from a competitive, membership and financial standpoint. I guess we'll see.

PS: We have been committed to playing basketball at the highest level for as long as we've had athletics. By moving to FCS in the 1980s (another smart move, IMHO) were openly acknowledged we would not be competing on the highest level. So comparing the two sports is apples to oranges, IMHO.

I realize other's mileage will vary.

Do you approve of the move to the Patriot League?

A few rambling thoughts not meant to inflame the fan base but I am sure some will perceive it as such.

I am genuinely shocked at the level apathy, acceptance and even enthusiasm by some of the fans (many of whom I respect) moving to the PL, who have lost their lunch over a hastily thought out administrative decisions in the past (Rocco, Dropping Soccer, PL move 1.0) cheer this move. I feel like were looking at this move through rose colored glasses only, desperate to do anything at the changing landscape of college athletics. Most non UR people I know that spoke to me about it think we're insane.

I get we all hate the CAA and not suggesting it wasn't time to leave but there were and are other options that would of benefitted this program. The fact that we only had only 35 fans even vote on this website shows the sad state of the support of this program that within the past 15 years would draw 20k crowds and now cant even put 2k fans in the stands for a game is depressing.

Joining this league is not going to grow the fan base nor attract top notch FCS football talent, it just gives us a convenient landing spot to play on average historically worse programs that we have a ton in common academically with which is something we wailed against for basketball but all of a sudden are fine with in football? A rising tide lifts all boats, and we decided to float in low tide with a nice yacht hoping itll be able to sail smoothly. Just look at some of the players response on social media and tell me you think were going to attract the same level of talent with a straight face.

If you thought crowds were bad before, just wait. Its laughable to think that the students of today, who cant even be bothered to walk across campus when we had JMU, Delaware, WM come to campus to all of a sudden think as alums they're going to go to a Holy Cross-UR game in Worchester.

When we almost left back in 2005, there was enough support to prevent what would of been a catastrophic move for our football program. Less than 3 years later we were a national champion. Show of hands who thinks that we have taken a step towards being that relevant with the same move 20 years later?

Im not going to be all doom and gloom. I do admit something needed to be done, and over time there is potential for this not to be as bad as a move on paper as it seems. There are a couple of nice perks like no longer dealing with Flo and a consistent schedule each year. But it seems that were selling a lot of hope that Villanova (Where there is no smoke currently that they're joining) and that WM will continue the series (Quick search already shows in 25/27 they already have a full non conference slate and WM was quite petty over our departure in 2000 from the CAA refusing to schedule us in hoops (Not nearly as big a deal since we don't need that game). It seems to me that we are trying to force their hand and hope for the best while thinking in the mean time we found ourselves a landing spot. If that's the case I have 0 faith in our administration and in reading the room there.

The move makes sense in some areas one could argue, but its quite a ways away from being a slam dunk, and certainly not something that will provide a boost in incoming talent.
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2024 Baseball Season

UMass leads SLU 5-2 at the end of 8.

Based on a PDF I found online, the tiebreakers for 3 or more teams are as follows:
  • Head-to-head competition of tied teams. If head-to-head competition did not occur for all teams involved in the tie, skip to 2.
    • We did not play SJU
  • Composite winning percentage of tied teams versus all common Conference opponents.
    • Common Conference opponents: GMU, SBU, URI
      • Richmond Record: 2-1 GMU, 2-1 SBU, 2-1 URI --> 6-3 Total
      • George Washington Record: 1-2 GMU, 3-0 SBU, 2-1 URI --> 6-3 Total
      • Saint Joeseph's Record: 3-0 GMU, 2-1 SBU, 1-2 URI --> 6-3 Total
      • UMass Record: 2-1 GMU, 3-0 SBU, 1-2 URI --> 6-3 Total
  • Each team’s winning percentage versus the highest common Conference opponent in the standings and continuing down through the lowest common opponent in the standings, if necessary.
    • Highest common opponent in the standings: Rhode Island
      • That would bring us and GW to a tie for 4th, which then I think would give us 4th based on H2H? Not really sure exactly the order of operations. Though there is not much of a difference between 4th and 5th seed besides Home/Away in Game 1.
    • Second Highest: SBU
      • That would give UMass 6th and SJU 7th

Don't hate me if I did not do this correctly, but my projected Bracket:
#1 SLU, #2 VCU, #3 Dayton, #4 Richmond, #5 George Washington, #6 UMass, #7 SJU

First game would be against GW at 11AM on Tuesday.
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2024 Baseball Season

URI beats Dayton in the completion of the suspended game, 16–10.

The top three seeds are set: #1 SLU, #2 VCU, #3 Dayton. If UMass beats SLU this afternoon, they can make it a 4-way tie at 13–11 for the remaining spots in the tournament, and I don't have the energy to work out the tiebreaker scenarios because there's no way we all played each other during the regular season so it goes to more involved math.
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