Do you approve of the move to the Patriot League?
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If Stanford and Cal can join the ACC, we should join the Big Sky!How about Spiders to MVFC?
Nightmare travel, but excellent football!
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If Stanford and Cal can join the ACC, we should join the Big Sky!How about Spiders to MVFC?
Nightmare travel, but excellent football!
I don't see WM going anywhere...Nova is a different atory
Id of accepted it much more easily and I hope they do now that we made it. What's done is done. I want what's best for this program even if it proves others I don't agree with correct. Were in a tough spot being a non voting member of this conference as we watched it drop in quality. I understand the desire to leave it and have some say over the makeup of your opponents. It would of essentially killed off the CAA and make it easier for PL to recruit.What would this board be saying if Villanova and W&M had announced that they were leaving for the PL or one of them? It's an honest question.
No, but its a step down without bringing the others along. Will gladly breathe a sigh of relief but not overly thrilled. Its not so much the big step down so much as an acknowledgement that we are no aiming to compete at the highest level respective to the classification we play in. No one is going to mistake the PL for a top tier league any season.My question is, Do you think it is as big a step down as it would have been 20 years ago?
I think that is the reason for mixed reactions. I have always wanted this move to work, but have also always been very skeptical of it.
TBone I think confidence is the optimum word, as Mike needs to let the last play go and move on. He showed disappointment too easily after a bad play and would get down on himself. I like his toughness and his shooting has improved from close, mid and long range.I think you may be underrating his passing. If anything, he passed too much maybe, but he was pretty decisive and he zipped it into guys.
Next step for him I think is having confidence to score. Shackles may have been on a bit as the backup 5, but next year he’ll have to score if he expects to be the lead center.
I agree, but also believe as more P5 schools pick up LAX that window closes even more.My thoughts on Lacrosse.
I think our odds are better at winning a D1 National Championship in Lacrosse than FBS Football…
But I don’t think Pro lacrosse generates more revenue than the NFL…
My question is, Do you think it is as big a step down as it would have been 20 years ago?A few rambling thoughts not meant to inflame the fan base but I am sure some will perceive it as such.
I am genuinely shocked at the level apathy, acceptance and even enthusiasm by some of the fans (many of whom I respect) moving to the PL, who have lost their lunch over a hastily thought out administrative decisions in the past (Rocco, Dropping Soccer, PL move 1.0) cheer this move. I feel like were looking at this move through rose colored glasses only, desperate to do anything at the changing landscape of college athletics. Most non UR people I know that spoke to me about it think we're insane.
I get we all hate the CAA and not suggesting it wasn't time to leave but there were and are other options that would of benefitted this program. The fact that we only had only 35 fans even vote on this website shows the sad state of the support of this program that within the past 15 years would draw 20k crowds and now cant even put 2k fans in the stands for a game is depressing.
Joining this league is not going to grow the fan base nor attract top notch FCS football talent, it just gives us a convenient landing spot to play on average historically worse programs that we have a ton in common academically with which is something we wailed against for basketball but all of a sudden are fine with in football? A rising tide lifts all boats, and we decided to float in low tide with a nice yacht hoping itll be able to sail smoothly. Just look at some of the players response on social media and tell me you think were going to attract the same level of talent with a straight face.
If you thought crowds were bad before, just wait. Its laughable to think that the students of today, who cant even be bothered to walk across campus when we had JMU, Delaware, WM come to campus to all of a sudden think as alums they're going to go to a Holy Cross-UR game in Worchester.
When we almost left back in 2005, there was enough support to prevent what would of been a catastrophic move for our football program. Less than 3 years later we were a national champion. Show of hands who thinks that we have taken a step towards being that relevant with the same move 20 years later?
Im not going to be all doom and gloom. I do admit something needed to be done, and over time there is potential for this not to be as bad as a move on paper as it seems. There are a couple of nice perks like no longer dealing with Flo and a consistent schedule each year. But it seems that were selling a lot of hope that Villanova (Where there is no smoke currently that they're joining) and that WM will continue the series (Quick search already shows in 25/27 they already have a full non conference slate and WM was quite petty over our departure in 2000 from the CAA refusing to schedule us in hoops (Not nearly as big a deal since we don't need that game). It seems to me that we are trying to force their hand and hope for the best while thinking in the mean time we found ourselves a landing spot. If that's the case I have 0 faith in our administration and in reading the room there.
The move makes sense in some areas one could argue, but its quite a ways away from being a slam dunk, and certainly not something that will provide a boost in incoming talent.
Yes, and his silly weed cigarette is fully lit.Your glass is not half empty, it is empty and desert dry.
What would this board be saying if Villanova and W&M had announced that they were leaving for the PL or one of them? It's an honest question.A few rambling thoughts not meant to inflame the fan base but I am sure some will perceive it as such.
I am genuinely shocked at the level apathy, acceptance and even enthusiasm by some of the fans (many of whom I respect) moving to the PL, who have lost their lunch over a hastily thought out administrative decisions in the past (Rocco, Dropping Soccer, PL move 1.0) cheer this move. I feel like were looking at this move through rose colored glasses only, desperate to do anything at the changing landscape of college athletics. Most non UR people I know that spoke to me about it think we're insane.
I get we all hate the CAA and not suggesting it wasn't time to leave but there were and are other options that would of benefitted this program. The fact that we only had only 35 fans even vote on this website shows the sad state of the support of this program that within the past 15 years would draw 20k crowds and now cant even put 2k fans in the stands for a game is depressing.
Joining this league is not going to grow the fan base nor attract top notch FCS football talent, it just gives us a convenient landing spot to play on average historically worse programs that we have a ton in common academically with which is something we wailed against for basketball but all of a sudden are fine with in football? A rising tide lifts all boats, and we decided to float in low tide with a nice yacht hoping itll be able to sail smoothly. Just look at some of the players response on social media and tell me you think were going to attract the same level of talent with a straight face.
If you thought crowds were bad before, just wait. Its laughable to think that the students of today, who cant even be bothered to walk across campus when we had JMU, Delaware, WM come to campus to all of a sudden think as alums they're going to go to a Holy Cross-UR game in Worchester.
When we almost left back in 2005, there was enough support to prevent what would of been a catastrophic move for our football program. Less than 3 years later we were a national champion. Show of hands who thinks that we have taken a step towards being that relevant with the same move 20 years later?
Im not going to be all doom and gloom. I do admit something needed to be done, and over time there is potential for this not to be as bad as a move on paper as it seems. There are a couple of nice perks like no longer dealing with Flo and a consistent schedule each year. But it seems that were selling a lot of hope that Villanova (Where there is no smoke currently that they're joining) and that WM will continue the series (Quick search already shows in 25/27 they already have a full non conference slate and WM was quite petty over our departure in 2000 from the CAA refusing to schedule us in hoops (Not nearly as big a deal since we don't need that game). It seems to me that we are trying to force their hand and hope for the best while thinking in the mean time we found ourselves a landing spot. If that's the case I have 0 faith in our administration and in reading the room there.
The move makes sense in some areas one could argue, but its quite a ways away from being a slam dunk, and certainly not something that will provide a boost in incoming talent.
When we switched to I-AA, our football world did end.That would take proactive, aggressive and creative leadership in the AD. That seems to have been in short supply for football in recent years.
I have no idea if we even tried to fix the CAA.
This proposed conference reminds me of the mythical “Magnolia League” from rumors years ago. It would rock!
It remains to be seen how this move affects the program long term. I’m going to give it a chance and see what happens. When we dropped to I-AA in the early 80’s I felt like the world had ended. Then a similar feeling when we joined the Yankee v. Southern in mid 80’s. Obviously a lot has changed since those days, but Spiders football is still alive and I’ll support it.
Ha. Somewhere there is a JMU fan saying “I told you so.” They predicted the Spiders to the Patriot League in 2006.
Go Spiders!
Yeah, CAA is terrible now. Seems like a terrible move to go Patriot, but we are trying to escape a sinking ship. No good options. But does it really matter? Football at our level, while actually decent football, doesn't mean much to most everyone.I agree with this.
Not a popular move right now - I get it - but we might be among the "winners" in this shakeup, if there are any.
The CAA as it currently stands is a bad league with worse leadership.
Is that more exciting? Doesn't do much for me. Not many options left. Villanova is the only interesting team left.Too bad we couldn't just create a league that looks something like:
UR
W&M
Villanova
Wofford
Citadel
Elon
Furman
Lafayette
Lehigh
Fordham
Towson
People on the Spider messageboard would be way more bent out of shape if this were basketball. We already play at a level of football that may as well be Div IV. No recognition no matter how well we do. Does anyone care about playing Monmouth or even powerful Elon for that matter. In other sports at least we play real teams.If he isn't smart enough to see this was a bad decision, hardly believe he's smart enough to save this series.
The fact that this board isn't melting down and sharpening pitchforks over this like back in 2005 just shows how little anyone cares about winning championships from the fans to the admin. The nerdy admins have finally won out after breaking our fan base for years.
The way St. Joes has played us lately better figure them out first.Let's concentrate on getting past the first round first.
I agree with Wood Hall (who just had a heart attack because I’m agreeing with him) . W & M just spent a lot of money fixing up theirI don't see WM going anywhere...Nova is a different atory
From the 716, suburban Buffalo.Are u from the area? My 1st wife was from Corning and I'm from 'cuse.