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Mens: Marist Game Thread @ RC: Sat 11/9 6pm ESPN+

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spiderman said:
pushed him? from his back on the floor?
AP blocked a 6'1" guy's shot. as he should. no, the guy didn't push AP or have time to say much.
1:09:00 here if you want to see it again. Richmond vs Marist
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Not the guy on the floor, one of the other marist guys as they came to pick up their player.

But its clear from the video - he simply blocked his shot and walked over top of him to yell at him. As we have all stated - the dumbest play you could make by far at that point.

Lets see how much he plays against Charlotte.
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Mens: Marist Game Thread @ RC: Sat 11/9 6pm ESPN+

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spiderman said:
pushed him? from his back on the floor?
AP blocked a 6'1" guy's shot. as he should. no, the guy didn't push AP or have time to say much.
1:09:00 here if you want to see it again. Richmond vs Marist
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props for finding this and posting it. I had been wanting to see a replay since things that happen so quickly and unexpectedly like this can be hard to digest in real time. It was as bad and obvious as I remembered 🤦‍♂️

Hat tip to Walz for being on top of the situation and trying to get him under control but it was too late.
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Mens: Marist Game Thread @ RC: Sat 11/9 6pm ESPN+

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SpiderTrap said:
I agree - upon seeing it live, I thought the opposing player said something or pushed him the way he reacted and basically made a point to get in his face.
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pushed him? from his back on the floor?
AP blocked a 6'1" guy's shot. as he should. no, the guy didn't push AP or have time to say much.
1:09:00 here if you want to see it again. Richmond vs Marist
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Golden to University of Florida - Hovde to follow?

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spiderman said:
kind of surprised Florida let Golden coach last night. I get the legal presumption of innocence, but you could suspend with pay pending investigation. I just can't imagine multiple girls are pursuing charges of stalking, harrassment and dick pics without easily retrievable evidence.
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Agreed - the evidence should be easy to come by in this case, which makes his defamation counter suit that much more odd. And I was shocked as well they let him coach, kinda gives the appearance Florida is not taking this seriously??? I agree with you - suspend with pay, remove him from games, let him coach in practice, until more clarity is received.
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Mens: Marist Game Thread @ RC: Sat 11/9 6pm ESPN+

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VT4700 said:
I agree there are always lots of plays you can look at that decide wins and losses. But, there is a big difference in missed shots, giving up a rebound, a turnover, or other things that happen a lot and a stupid, lose your emotions technical foul that was such an obvious taunting call that every ref would always make that call. This wasn't even a tech where you say "And 1" or "come on, I didn't foul him". This was a stupid, what the F are you doing taunting tech that should never never happen.
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I agree - upon seeing it live, I thought the opposing player said something or pushed him the way he reacted and basically made a point to get in his face.

Lets be honest as well - not the best place to be taunting an opposing player. Marist is up 5 at that point, you block their shot out of bounds and want to brag. If I am the Marist player - I just simply put to the scoreboard and ask Apostolos if he can read.

Now - you want to get emotional, get some high fives going, clapping, and get the crowd into it - thats a different story, but he basically went out of his way to get in the guys face. I also thought it was telling - after that technical - he did not go back into the game. Not that it might have helped much - but we needed 3's in that last minute, and Mooney would not put him back in.

It will be interesting to see if this play effects his playing time going forward.
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Around the A-10: 2024–25 Edition

RichmondNative
The Marist loss is a bad look for the A10, but does it really matter? UR had no at large chance with its OOC schedule so it didn’t hurt the Spiders chances and the A10 preseason rankings had UR in the lower half, so it really doesn’t impact any other team’s at large possibility either. Dayton and VCU I think were the only teams that were given any kind of good ranking on their OOC slate (I can’t find the graphic, but know Dayton was highest rated).

It was a good year for such a loss…../s
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Mens: Marist Game Thread @ RC: Sat 11/9 6pm ESPN+

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would anyone like to comment on the fact the UR - while down 7 or 5 points on multiple possessions - didn't take any 3s in the final minute until the last play of the game when it was already decided? Not sure how a team that supposedly has great shooters throughout planned to come back from 5 or 7 points down by taking the layups and fouling once Marist demonstrated that they could make FTs and that no progress was being made.

Three times UR took a 2 point attempt when down 5 or 7, including with 8 seconds left down 5 which is the most glaringly obvious spot where you cannot ever take anything but a 3. (The only exception to shooting 2s was the Tyne layup attempt after the steal when he was fouled - but even on that he had a chance for a 3 point play. The others were basically worthless wastes of time.)

I don't understand how this is ever a strategy once the other team hits FTs (Marist was 8-8 in final minute.)

Press, yes.
Go for steals, yes.
Foul, yes.
Shoot 2s after 2 FT makes with decreasing time on the clock - no.
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Mens: Marist Game Thread @ RC: Sat 11/9 6pm ESPN+

97spiderfan
I was countering the notion that the technical somehow cost us the game.

It was a bad foul at a bad time. I wouldn't call it "selfish" it was an emotive reaction after he made a big play. If he would have done this in the first half against VCU at the Robins Center, the fans would love it, I suspect. Players taunt each other all of the time, it is part of the game, but you have to be a bit more discreet about it and obviously taunting in the last minute of the game when you are down is absolutely not the time to do it.
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The Trump Administration

Wood Hall
Well a guy who denies climate change, and who has received hundreds of thousands of dollars in donations from fossil fuel companies is going to head up the EPA. I guess breathing clean air and drinking clean water are overrated.

And Kristie Noem is going to head Homeland Security. So if we're invaded by dogs I guess we'll be OK. OTOH, she didn't lose one square inch of South Dakota to North Dakota aggression.

Shaping up to be the worst cabinet in modern history.
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Mens: Marist Game Thread @ RC: Sat 11/9 6pm ESPN+

97spiderfan
We were down 5 with 50 seconds left when he was hit with the Technical and Marist had the ball. The win probability before that play was over 90% for Marist. And the reality was much higher than that because we were not hot and Marist was hitting their FT's. Our fate was sealed regardless of the technical. Now, I do agree you can't have a technical in that point of the game but that play really didn't impact the L we were about to receive.
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Around the A-10: 2024–25 Edition

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spiderman said:
A10 losses to date:

Probably bad losses:
Marist @ Richmond (though Marist is picked 2nd in MAAC)
Central Connecticut @ St Joe's (though CCSU only lost by 4 @ Providence and they're picked to win the NEC)
Lipscomb at Duquesne (though Lipscomb is picked to win the ASUN)

Other losses, Probably not bad:
GMU @ Marquette
Fordham @ St John's
UMass @ WVU
Santa Clara @ SLU
Princeton @ Duquesne
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There is no probably about it. The Marist loss was a bad loss, and bad might be underselling it. The MAAC was around the 24th best conference last year. If Marist finishes 2nd, that does nothing for this loss.
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Mens: Marist Game Thread @ RC: Sat 11/9 6pm ESPN+

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SpiderTrap said:
I totally agree it was stupid and if I were the coach - he would be severely punished internally (sprints, etc).

But I am the belief a game never comes to one play. Just like if that technical wasn't called and we won the game - I wouldn't say that block won the game for us.

Was that block and technical a big play, no - it was huge. Without the technical - we have the momentum going, lets say Marist inbounds and misses, we rebound and go down and score - the momentum is in our favor. But instead - we get a huge block, and then give away 2 points. So yes - terrible and stupid play, but had it not happened and we won the game - it would just masked bigger issues - like our inability to score against Marist for 5 minutes in the crucial part of the 2nd half, or our poor production overall from the center position, or our defense or lack there of allowing Marist to go 50% from deep.

Just one game - so they can comeback from this and I expect they will. I still stand by my prediction of UR going 11-2 in the OOC with them beating Auburn, but losing 2 other games. This is one of them.
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I agree there are always lots of plays you can look at that decide wins and losses. But, there is a big difference in missed shots, giving up a rebound, a turnover, or other things that happen a lot and a stupid, lose your emotions technical foul that was such an obvious taunting call that every ref would always make that call. This wasn't even a tech where you say "And 1" or "come on, I didn't foul him". This was a stupid, what the F are you doing taunting tech that should never never happen.
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spiderman
A10 losses to date:

Probably bad losses:
Marist @ Richmond (though Marist is picked 2nd in MAAC)
Central Connecticut @ St Joe's (though CCSU only lost by 4 @ Providence and they're picked to win the NEC)
Lipscomb at Duquesne (though Lipscomb is picked to win the ASUN)

Other losses, Probably not bad:
GMU @ Marquette
Fordham @ St John's
UMass @ WVU
Santa Clara @ SLU
Princeton @ Duquesne
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Mens: Marist Game Thread @ RC: Sat 11/9 6pm ESPN+

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SpiderTrap said:
I totally agree it was stupid and if I were the coach - he would be severely punished internally (sprints, etc).

But I am the belief a game never comes to one play. Just like if that technical wasn't called and we won the game - I wouldn't say that block won the game for us.

Was that block and technical a big play, no - it was huge. Without the technical - we have the momentum going, lets say Marist inbounds and misses, we rebound and go down and score - the momentum is in our favor. But instead - we get a huge block, and then give away 2 points. So yes - terrible and stupid play, but had it not happened and we won the game - it would just masked bigger issues - like our inability to score against Marist for 5 minutes in the crucial part of the 2nd half, or our poor production overall from the center position, or our defense or lack there of allowing Marist to go 50% from deep.

Just one game - so they can comeback from this and I expect they will. I still stand by my prediction of UR going 11-2 in the OOC with them beating Auburn, but losing 2 other games. This is one of them.
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I was at the game. What worries me the most is the offense. Yeah, I know Marist (5 and 24) were hot from 3- I give them credit. Those 2 guys were the best shooters in the game. But our offense- from late first half and all second half- looked unorganized, unfocused- no one wanted to take a shot. We had two big men who were never posted low. It's early, and I hope Mooney finds a solid starting 5 and sticks with them at some point with reasonable subs.
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Mens: Marist Game Thread @ RC: Sat 11/9 6pm ESPN+

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SpiderTrap said:
I totally agree it was stupid and if I were the coach - he would be severely punished internally (sprints, etc).

But I am the belief a game never comes to one play. Just like if that technical wasn't called and we won the game - I wouldn't say that block won the game for us.

Was that block and technical a big play, no - it was huge. Without the technical - we have the momentum going, lets say Marist inbounds and misses, we rebound and go down and score - the momentum is in our favor. But instead - we get a huge block, and then give away 2 points. So yes - terrible and stupid play, but had it not happened and we won the game - it would just masked bigger issues - like our inability to score against Marist for 5 minutes in the crucial part of the 2nd half, or our poor production overall from the center position, or our defense or lack there of allowing Marist to go 50% from deep.

Just one game - so they can comeback from this and I expect they will. I still stand by my prediction of UR going 11-2 in the OOC with them beating Auburn, but losing 2 other games. This is one of them.
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You are the epitome of optimism. I hope Mooney and company delivers for you. I'll hang up and watch.
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Mens: Marist Game Thread @ RC: Sat 11/9 6pm ESPN+

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VT4700 said:
We don't know if it lost the game or not. No one said it definitely did, but you can't say it definitely didn't. They made both technical free throws. We cut it to 73-70 with 33 seconds left which could have been 71-70. But, the bottom line is it was an incredibly stupid play. There is no BUT about it, and no BUT that should follow that statement. It was an incredibly stupid play that should never be repeated again.
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I totally agree it was stupid and if I were the coach - he would be severely punished internally (sprints, etc).

But I am the belief a game never comes to one play. Just like if that technical wasn't called and we won the game - I wouldn't say that block won the game for us.

Was that block and technical a big play, no - it was huge. Without the technical - we have the momentum going, lets say Marist inbounds and misses, we rebound and go down and score - the momentum is in our favor. But instead - we get a huge block, and then give away 2 points. So yes - terrible and stupid play, but had it not happened and we won the game - it would just masked bigger issues - like our inability to score against Marist for 5 minutes in the crucial part of the 2nd half, or our poor production overall from the center position, or our defense or lack there of allowing Marist to go 50% from deep.

Just one game - so they can comeback from this and I expect they will. I still stand by my prediction of UR going 11-2 in the OOC with them beating Auburn, but losing 2 other games. This is one of them.
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