what was the trash call at end that u guys r referring to? I did not see the game. but I saw replay of the game winning shot play and I'm not seeing it. was there something else?
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what was the trash call at end that u guys r referring to? I did not see the game. but I saw replay of the game winning shot play and I'm not seeing it. was there something else?
After the game winning shot, they reviewed it on the monitors, then the male ref came out on the court and waved it off, so we all celebrated, team included. Then the female ref ran to center court from the other side and said it counted. They both then immediately ran to the lockerroom. No one knew what to think. Strangest ending to a game I've ever seen.
Not sure why it would’ve been waved off either. Didn’t call foul or travel and the shot was clearly before the buzzer went off.
Gotcha. That is weird. I thought meant the on court call. JOC wrote about it in game article…
“As the Hawks celebrated, officials reviewed the play on video.
One of them, Ashley Gloss, came out of the officials' huddle to near midcourt and gave a waving sign. The Spiders celebrated, believing the motion meant Ziegler's goal came after time expired and UR prevailed, extended its school-record winning streak to 18 games. But as officials started making their ways off the court, it became clear Gloss' sign meant "Game over," Ziegler's shot beat the horn.
The Spiders stood bewildered. The Hawks celebrated again.”
Have to think ref just made wrong signal by mistake causing the confusion. Bc no ref could look at replay & rule shot didn’t count.
UR lost because of sloppy play.Check Joes points(22) off UR turnovers(15).Easy baskets.Guard ball handling lost it.
Doogan had only 5points today.
GMU will likely crush Joes which won’t help UR at-large hopes.
Coach will have to work hard to keep Doogan,Ullstrom at UR for final year of eligibility.
Doogan had only 5points today.
GMU will likely crush Joes which won’t help UR at-large hopes.
Coach will have to work hard to keep Doogan,Ullstrom at UR for final year of eligibility.
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If coach Roussell is staying here, then I’ll be surprised if Doogan or Ullstrom leave. 1) because of the connections and loyalty to the coach and program already 2) opportunity to play significant minutes with a team that’ll likely be picked 1st in A10 again and may even be getting AP votes for top 25 to start next year and 3) since COVID bonus year is done, i would think they would like to get their degree from UR, unless they’ve gotten it already. Just my opinion.
My prediction for this one is Mason will win. Even though St. Joe’s won both times in the regular season, this Mason team is very good. First ever A10 title game, with chance to go to first ever NCAA tournament, in front of I’m sure a decent amount of GMU fans. Should be a great game to watch as a neutral observer.
Her pivot foot moves about 2-3 feet before the shot. But that is acceptable in today's basketball, along with carrying the ball like a football.
Looked like a gather step to me. I think would’ve been tough to call that a travel. We lost fair and square. It happens. Better to lose in the semi-finals than finals for me emotionally. Will be fun to watch the championship game today with no particular rooting interest.
Watching Mason beat Joes in final. BTW recognize a number of men's team in stands, nice touch they stayed here to support women. First ever dance for GMU women.
Mason wins by 15. Nothing was stopping them this tournament. Reminds me of our run last year.
This conference continues to get better and better. Hoping SJU sneaks in the play-in round. A10 will continue to get multiple bids in the years to come. Here’s how I rank the A10 coaches:
Elite:
Richmond
George Mason
Very good:
Saint Joseph
Davidson
Solid:
Duquesne
Rhode Island
Then add programs like UMass, VCU, and Dayton who don’t have good coaches now but historically have had good teams in this conference, and you have to be excited about the conference’s future.
Edit: UMass is leaving after this season.
Sure it did, how did they get to throw ball in from their end and not under basket?
Perfectly normal in women’s hoops. They use the NBA advance the ball rule to frontcourt after a timeout. Last minute of game & OT. Theory more offense & more exciting end of game situations.
Not sure when it was implemented. Did u see end of Georgetown game? We lost that game from the same rule.
It's been a rule for quite some time now. It's awful. Drags the final minute out forever because the coaches all save their time outs. And since women don't have to use a timeout in the first half like the men do, both teams generally have four left.
this rule was also how we were defeated by Georgetown before Christmas on the miraculous 3FG after inbounding in front of their bench...
it can either help you, or hurt you, depending on the circumstances...seems like the intent was to create exciting finishes in close games...but you're right about dragging things out!
Go Spiders!
I hate the idea of different rules for the end of games. Same thoughts with out of bounds calls being reviewable at the end. So it's important to get the call right with 1:58 left in the game but not with 2:01?
Pick a rule and stick with it from start to finish.
Pick a rule and stick with it from start to finish.
I had the same question in the Georgetown buzzerbeater loss. Add to that the stupid play call and lucky shot. That one stung a lot too.
Just confirmed what I already expected - no Spiders on the A-10 All-Tournament team. Three from Mason, two from St. Joe's.
The NBA does the same thing. It certainly makes for more exciting finishes than having to throw a length of the court pass. I am thinking they are testing out in on the women's side and this will be adopted on the men's side in the next few years.
Of course. This is why Mooney is so religiously holding onto timeouts - got to be prepared for the future rule change. /s
Richmond still as a great nucleus for another run if Sweeney, Ullstrom and Doogan stay loyal to
Rousell and finish out. Sweeney is just a sophomore. Newell is a good backup point guard and am hearing
that the recruiting class may be one of the best yet. We have six graduating and that leaves at least two portal transfers to go with the 4 incoming frosh. Personally I think the three starters stay.
Rousell and finish out. Sweeney is just a sophomore. Newell is a good backup point guard and am hearing
that the recruiting class may be one of the best yet. We have six graduating and that leaves at least two portal transfers to go with the 4 incoming frosh. Personally I think the three starters stay.
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If Rousell stays, I agree with you and post #49 from spiderstudent17, but just an opinion. Let's hope they all stay.
Budnik, Hill, Alston, Camden, Jimenez, and Ouderkirk gone. Definitely a big hit, but not devastating.
Here's how things kinda shake out by positions among the returners, though there's obviously flexibility in who plays where, especially at the forward spots.
PG: Sweeney, Newell
SG: ?
SF: Ullstrom, Richard
PF: Doogan
C: Dewey, Swider, Manthy
Green unlikely to be a factor given injury history.
Among the incoming frosh:
- Wright will probably be primarily SF but maybe play some at SG even though she's 6'0".
- Scott is a PG, if she gets up to speed quickly, could see her alongside either Sweeney or Newell at times.
- Campbell is a 6'2" F, so she'll likely be biding her time a bit behind Doogan and Ullstrom.
- Persichetti is a CG, so she could also potentially find time there where we have a bit of a hole.
So, presuming everybody returns and not accounting for a couple of portal spots, You've got clear starters in Sweeney, Ullstrom, and Doogan, leaving holes at the 2 and 5 spots unless you consider Ullstrom/Doogan to be 4/5 and play more of a wing alongside them.
We're so big this season with four starters at 6'0" or taller and we're so flexible with our positions that you can really slide Ullstrom/Doogan up or down wherever from 2–5 and fit pieces around them to get a similar look next season. But unless we get some experienced transfers from the portal, those pieces looks to be fairly inexperienced as far as time on the floor so far.
Here's how things kinda shake out by positions among the returners, though there's obviously flexibility in who plays where, especially at the forward spots.
PG: Sweeney, Newell
SG: ?
SF: Ullstrom, Richard
PF: Doogan
C: Dewey, Swider, Manthy
Green unlikely to be a factor given injury history.
Among the incoming frosh:
- Wright will probably be primarily SF but maybe play some at SG even though she's 6'0".
- Scott is a PG, if she gets up to speed quickly, could see her alongside either Sweeney or Newell at times.
- Campbell is a 6'2" F, so she'll likely be biding her time a bit behind Doogan and Ullstrom.
- Persichetti is a CG, so she could also potentially find time there where we have a bit of a hole.
So, presuming everybody returns and not accounting for a couple of portal spots, You've got clear starters in Sweeney, Ullstrom, and Doogan, leaving holes at the 2 and 5 spots unless you consider Ullstrom/Doogan to be 4/5 and play more of a wing alongside them.
We're so big this season with four starters at 6'0" or taller and we're so flexible with our positions that you can really slide Ullstrom/Doogan up or down wherever from 2–5 and fit pieces around them to get a similar look next season. But unless we get some experienced transfers from the portal, those pieces looks to be fairly inexperienced as far as time on the floor so far.
I’m optimistic we can find 1-2 very good contributors from the portal. Recruiting pitch is super easy. Come play in a top 8 conference, win championships, and play in the NCAA tournament. Also have to imagine we will also have a very good OOC schedule next year and likely playing in an elite non-conference tournament, so playing top competition is another selling point. Add all of this to the value of a UR degree and there’s no reason to think we won’t be a top team next year either.
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