Transfers, take two
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I hope we’re going for Justyn Mutts. Would be a great pick up for us.
He took an official visit with us during his first recruiting cycle, so hopefully we’ll be in contention again if we choose to pursue him (which we should)
He took an official visit with us during his first recruiting cycle, so hopefully we’ll be in contention again if we choose to pursue him (which we should)
I'll second that. Averaged 6 points, 4 boards as a freshman. Named to all Big South rookie team. This makes him better than every other forward currently on our roster.
not saying he wouldn't be ... you might be right. but wondering why you're sure he'd be a great pick up?
it seems he's the kind of big forward we've complained about. can't shoot from 3 (0-1 last year) and doesn't hit foul shots (55%).
and he'd join the class with Sal, Phoenix and Tomas after sitting a year. that's a lot of big forwards in one class.
Let the best play. Are you Mooney s-man? Just kidding but this is the thinking of his that kills us. We need multiple able guys at a position, it will figure itself out. The downside is a scenario where you have 5-6 proven guys, and then when you are waiting for them to mature and all have experience, one gets kicked out of school and another transfers out. Nahhhhhh, that would never happen. If Mutts were to come, and by some crazy turn all of Sal, Phoenix and Tomas are so good to keep him off the court then so be it, figure it out then.
Did it kill us when we had Smitty, Martel, and Butler all at the 3 position, did it? If guys are good enough, they slide up or down a position. Hell Buck played 2-4.
Agreed. If we manage to convince Mutts to come here, what a great problem to have. We all wanted him last year when we recruited him, that shouldn't change now after a decent freshman season. Too much talent is not something we need to be worrying about.
Smitty, Martel and Butler came in consecutive classes ... not in the same class.
we need to fill 13 spots and we need all the talent we can get. it's just unusual to have that many guys at the same position in the same class. yes, they can play sightly different positions. but typically you can justify each kid in a class playing together at the same time. not sure we'll be able to do that no matter who we bring in now if anyone joins the current incoming 5 man freshman class.
Didn't say they were in the same class, but that just shows you can convince good players back to back at same position. You are making my point.
I assumed when you said "Did it kill us when we had Smitty, Martel, and Butler all at the 3 position, did it?" you were replying to me saying "he'd join the class with Sal, Phoenix and Tomas after sitting a year. that's a lot of big forwards in one class."
guess I was confused. were you not responding to me?
guess I was confused. were you not responding to me?
It’s because our biggest problem as a team is our interior defense. We are very soft and have no size in the paint with the exception of Golden. I can’t blame the players for this. Mooney has had Sherod or Buck out of position/comfort zone when playing the 4 or 5 at times, which leads to huge mismatches.
This kid has a good build, size, and has performed well at D1 level. I seen him contributing more than Phoenix and Tomas and Sal (until he bulks up). Cayo likely has the starting spot now. We need players like Derrick Williams several years ago - someone who won’t get pushed around and can fight for rebounds. If they can score and make free throws, that’s an added bonus. I see Mutts as being a scrappy player who won’t be taken advantage of in the paint. I have seen way too many games where we lose because the opposing team took advantage of us down low by scoring on size mismatches and getting more rebounds.
Anyone with 0/1 from 3 and with a 55% FT shooting % is likely to be at most a role-player for us, which is not necessarily a bad thing.
However, I see Cayo as our starter at the "4," with Sal as the likely main competition. Until Phoenix shows me that he can shoot the ball, including FT's, I do not see him earning minutes next season. At this point Phoenix may not be above 0/1 from 3 and 55% FT either. However, if he can get some coaching on his shooting, including his form, and hours of hard practice, then he may contribute.
However, I see Cayo as our starter at the "4," with Sal as the likely main competition. Until Phoenix shows me that he can shoot the ball, including FT's, I do not see him earning minutes next season. At this point Phoenix may not be above 0/1 from 3 and 55% FT either. However, if he can get some coaching on his shooting, including his form, and hours of hard practice, then he may contribute.
Phoenix was practicing free throws with an assistant coach the other day at the RC. You guys just don’t know how hard our coaches and players work.
Of course the players work hard. And it’s great that our coaches work hard...they should! But results matter Ulla. You know that.
I don’t question anyone’s work ethic. I expect all of our guys put in time. I think my frustration is that we often seem to be getting guys up to a level we should possibly expect they’ll come in at.
Maybe my expectation is too high. I don’t feel like it is though.
Oldie, if Phoenix starts to shoot a 3pt shot in a game, you will hear me yell “Nooooooo” from the other side of the RC.
Please tell me at least he has more offensive ability than Kwesi!Oldie, if Phoenix starts to shoot a 3pt shot in a game, you will hear me yell “Nooooooo” from the other side of the RC.
If u look at Ford's highlight videos from AAU, he shot and made a lot of 3's. What happened? I know the game is faster but would think drilling for a year to speed up his shot would work?
While Phoenix can shoot, his primary contributions will be on the boards and the territory close to the basket. Phoenix is a very nice young man, but has an edge that will make him a great competitor.
Ford is no-where near college level offensively. However, he is good size, strong, athletic, and seems to have a tough rebounding mindset. I do not foresee him as a regular everyday player, but, I could see a limited role for him as a big, rebounding and defending. The challenge for Ford is that his strongest skillset(s) are not the best match for the type of game that Mooney likes to play.
As frustrating as it has been over the years to watch us miss free throws, it's more frustrating to watch us take two or three years to figure out how to play our offense and defense. So I would prefer that we work on that more than free throws.
he'd love a guy with a tough rebounding mindset as long as that guy can also excel in his offense. but that's a tough combo to land. those guys have really high offers.
this emphasizes the problem with our systems. our offensive system requires a certain type of skilled player, while the defensive system requires length and athleticism. a guy like Nathan fits defensively. TBD on the other end. Trey and Deion fit defensively. Jacob, Nick and Grant are perfect in our offense. Blake will be, too.
this may be why I'm so high on Sal. I don't care about him being thin. he's long and athletic, but highly skilled offensively at his position. I think he's going to be a great fit as a two way guy here.
the offense works. the defense has worked. hopefully he's got the right players for it to work again.
firing a coach with this big a payout just doesn't happen outside the P5. you've got to start understanding that. there's too big a financial impact right now, unless a donor writes another big check. if things aren't headed in the right direction in a year, it becomes more possible. in my opinion.
firing a coach with this big a payout just doesn't happen outside the P5. you've got to start understanding that. there's too big a financial impact right now, unless a donor writes another big check. if things aren't headed in the right direction in a year, it becomes more possible. in my opinion.
My point is that you just literally said "This emphasizes the problem with our systems."
I don't disagree with you. So what is the solution? You gave a number of reasons why it's very difficult for us to recruit players who work for us, yet we keep trying the same thing and we haven't been nearly successful enough.
I don't disagree with you. So what is the solution? You gave a number of reasons why it's very difficult for us to recruit players who work for us, yet we keep trying the same thing and we haven't been nearly successful enough.
You don't get a 2.5 billion endowment but making poor financial decisions and contracts. I'm sure his contract was vetted through our accountant types and they determined that we could both afford that contract and afford to buy him out if things went south. Money is not the object, it is WILL, and in my opinion more to the point, an Athletic Department that has far too often not set or answered meaningful performance objectives on a number of levels. That was Keith Gill's failing.
I am optimistic that Hardt will see that and change that culture. If he does, I'm confident that Mooney's days are numbered. We are probably one of the very few top level D-1 programs in operation where Mooney could have survived this long with what he has done to the program.
I am optimistic that Hardt will see that and change that culture. If he does, I'm confident that Mooney's days are numbered. We are probably one of the very few top level D-1 programs in operation where Mooney could have survived this long with what he has done to the program.
This does make me happy. I just hope it results in something beyond the old chestnut that "It's not the destination, but the journey that matters." The destination matters too!
I like this, Ulla -- You hit the nail on the head as far as what I want. I want someone with an edge, who is a competitor. I also hope that they are nice, too. But sometimes teams need some "a-hole" on them.
I'm still trying to get past the fact that spiderman called him "Phoenis".
Exact retort to I was going to post but EL beat me. It's brain surgery with CM and his philosophy. Come on now with every excuse in the book for CM.
i think i never thought Taylor did any skills to play much minutes include the defense.
I assume that is for next September? He still needs to stay at Gulf Coast CC for now instead of red shirting, right?
Ulla, hard work is expected.... results is what is measured and matters. I'm sure virtually all coaches work hard. I hope his efforts are rewarded and the free throw shooting improves.
looks like he committed to them back in September. tweet says he has 3 years of eligibility. but he's not listed on their 2018/19 roster.
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