if I was going to be as miserable after a win as a would be after a loss, I don't know why I'd watch. the fact that you watched and I guess hoped for a loss is mind boggling to me.
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I'm still waiting for this post from him
"Nothing good comes out of winning the NCAA. All we would get if that happened would be a stupid banner that means nothing in the robins center and probably another extension for Mooney."
Expect less from Virginia Tech. You'll seldom be disappointed.
8legs1dream
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if Moonét had just made the damn NCAA's then we wouldn't be having hardly any of these conversations right now would we?
Exactly. Mooney divides our fan base. Get us to the NCAA’s and I’ll be happy, never will I celebrate a win in the nit.
Yeah, save that celebrating for the Belk Bowl, Independence Bowl or the Military Bowl. Oh wait, Fuentes would have to win one of those ...
Obviously I’m not happy with any of the results from the Tech football program over the past few years. I have the same feeling about Fuente that I do about Mooney and probably a worse feeling to be honest, I just don’t show it on here. However it is a lot harder to make the top 4 in college football than it is to make the field of 68 in basketball and for that reason the job Mooney has done here is worse than what has happened at Tech with Fuente.
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I will ask you the same question I asked VT (in his last profile).
The devil appears and offers you a choice. You can be guaranteed to win the next 5 NCAA tournaments but it has to be with Mooney as coach or you can have Mooney fired today. Which do you choose?
Now whether it would take supernatural inference to get those championships is a very different discussion...
Does that mean if Tech is in a bowl game other than the playoffs, you refuse to watch or celebrate?
Next time you are in front of one of our players, say that to their face. See if their years of work, practice, sacrifice, injuries, rehabs, death scares, quarantining, disappointments, successes, early mornings, late nights, treatment rooms, ice baths, leg lifts and bench presses, missed spring breaks, shortened christmas breaks, missed college parties, study halls, shouldn't result in their being able to play -- perhaps for the last time in an organized fashion -- one more time or one more game with their teammates.
There's not a single poster on here that prefers the NIT to the NCAA tournament. There's not a single poster on here who thinks that this is all we are capable of. There's not one poster on here who doesn't want us to "strive for better."
But if we aren't in the NCAA tournament, there's plenty of good that can come out of the winning the NIT. Most of all for the people who actually have put in the time and effort.
8legs1dream
Graduate Assistant
of course I would take even one championship, hell at this point I would be thrilled to make the tourney and be overjoyed to actually win a single game there. Some of you act like Mooney has been here for just a couple years. We know what he brings to the table and what his ceiling is. He plateaued ten years ago. George Mason basketball who I used to think we were higher on the totem pole than just fired their head coach after 6 underwhelming seasons. Ponder on that.
Honestly don’t care too much about what bowl game they’re in unless it’s the playoff or a New Years 6 game. I did go to the Belk bowl against Kentucky in 2019 but treated that more as a fun time in Charlotte with some of my friends and wasn’t too concerned about the result of the game. I would say the bowl games are a bigger deal than the nit though because I would bet any bowl game gets more TV viewers than the nit.
I’d take the 5 national titles with Mooney as the coach. I just wanna win, don’t care how.
8legs1dream
Graduate Assistant
damn some of these Mooneyphiles are nitpicking the hell out of you over something that is an apples to oranges comparison to start with.
I’ll go ahead and clear the air here. I do not root against UR for the most part. When we have a chance to make the tournament I hope we win every game. When we are having a terrible season as we did 2 years ago I think it’s better for the program to keep losing and fire Mooney. When the team is in the nit I don’t want to win because I know our sham of an athletic department sees that as a a success; big hint, it’s not a success. I think the biggest reason I root against UR at times is because I know we don’t have a normal athletic department and it likely either takes a lot of losing or something catastrophic off the court to move on from the coach and do what’s best for the program. If we had a normal athletic department we wouldn’t have Mooney still and I would never want him out so bad that I want the team to lose. I don’t like rooting against UR and it doesn’t feel right but at some point the madness of the cycle of Mooney has to stop.
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1) is not true. I for one enjoy any opportunity for the Spiders to play in the post season
2) I disagree in part. There is value that arises from playing in and winning in the NIT. This team deserved to play in the post season in some capacity. The NIT is a good tournament. There is value for the team, because playing in the NIT and winning in the NIT will give them confidence for the future.
I asked because VT gave the opposite answer last time. And I thought that was over the line.
On the other hand, I can multitask.
I can plan Mooney's demise while celebrating the team's win.
Correct 60% of FBS teams play in a bowl, 3% play in the College Football Playoffs. 20% of Division 1 Basketball teams play in the NCAA.
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VT at least has been going to post season in football and NCAA's in basketball. UR, not so much lately. I'd take their performance over ours in both sports in the last few years. It would be a happier board.
There is value in any postseason play. I'd rather not participate in a pay-to-play tourney (especially when we're crying poverty for donations and as an excuse not to buy out a contract). But the experience of survive-and-advance carries over with the underclassmen in particular. The tournament mindset is learned.
Shaka Smart won the CBI with VCU, and the following year took them to the Final Four.
Shaka Smart won the last NIT, and then won the Big XII tourney for the first time in Texas' history.
Shaka Smart won the CBI with VCU, and the following year took them to the Final Four.
Shaka Smart won the last NIT, and then won the Big XII tourney for the first time in Texas' history.
I definitely don't always agree with 712_VT but I think this is valid. And I was going to respond to spiderman above but this is the gist of it.
Now I haven't been able to root against the Spiders yet, I was all in this year how can u not have been. But this NIT? Or next year really is the key. Are you going to root for say 15-16 wins that might bring you perpetual Mooney and known results over 17-18 years by that point or do you want 10?
That doesn't make you a bad fan. Because you're seeing the value of the long term over short term result that doesn't get you any farther ahead in reality. It sucks to be in that position but Mooney and no ncaa for a decade, vcu record u can go on & on. Well it basically has me there.
It's like if your pro team is up for a sure thing #1 draft pick is it better to win a meaningless game? No, you have some foresight to see things can get lot better but sometimes you need a major pivot point. I'm not a fan of the pro tanking strategy but when it's your team and u r that close to it, we all get it. Again it does not make you a bad fan. U can argue it makes you a good fan. Do the capitals or pens want to go back in time and get a few more wins and not get Ovechkin or Crosby. Of course not they were transformational players. A coach can do that too.
So in Spiders scenario next year I don't know but think I'm rooting for less wins not average. Bc that may be only way a change is made. This year NIT results might play a role too who knows, it shouldn't but Hardt is our AD so it might. And next year if we showed NCAA legitimacy sure win win win. But that's far fetched imo. We have a known commodity at this point. But some people like staying in jail. Me I want to get out.
I can be happy with less wins after the fact if it means more wins later.
I have a much harder time actually going or watching a game and rooting for a loss in that game.
I can sit there with my arms crossed wondering what is going to go wrong this time, maybe even mumble "See, I told you".
But more likely to just shake my head and let out a Lurch Groan...
If Mooney took us to the next 5 NCAA's, I'd go over and clean his damn toilets on a weekly basis if he asked me.
There is nothing personal with Mooney, he is just shown he is not capable of getting the job done. It's a simple performance issue. This is a business and he is underperforming employee. We've all had them, some of them are really nice too, which makes parting with them tough, but at the end of the day, they are hired to do a job and do it well. Being nice and a good representative of the company are something that should be expected of every employee, not reasons to keep underperforming ones around.
There is nothing personal with Mooney, he is just shown he is not capable of getting the job done. It's a simple performance issue. This is a business and he is underperforming employee. We've all had them, some of them are really nice too, which makes parting with them tough, but at the end of the day, they are hired to do a job and do it well. Being nice and a good representative of the company are something that should be expected of every employee, not reasons to keep underperforming ones around.
I definitely have celebrated a couple of wins in the NIT.
1989 over Temple (who we lost to in the Sweet Sixteen the year before)
2001 over West Virginia (since we were snubbed by the CAA then the NCAA)
8legs1dream
Graduate Assistant
I feel like a broken record but the goals are
1) NCAA trips
2) A10 tourney titles
3) A10 regular season titles
4) beat our rival
5) win relevant non-conference games
If I achieved the top 5 expectations in my workplace with as little regularity as the MoonMan I don't think I would last 16 years.
All the usual negative crap. Not sure who is worse - posters here or John O'Connor at RTD. Let's face it. The team wanted to play as evidenced by the enthusiasm last night. Bench guys got meaningful minutes and capitlized and Mooney adjusted well at the half. They get to play again. Yes, weird season and no NCAA after a crushing end to last season, but the team is getting valuable experience.
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No offense to you at all but this response sounds like it was written by our Athletic Department. Tough year, guys are playing hard, renew your season tickets. Maybe this is how most of our fan base feels and I’m just unrealistic...our AD certainly doesn’t seem affected by what seems to be a growing number of frustrated fans. Apathy has turned to hopelessness. The ncaa tournament is finally back and here we are discussing the merits of the freaking NIT after 10 years of wandering in the desert.
Quick anecdote. A guy from my work big sports fan not big college bball but knows sports asked me about betting Richmond yesterday morning at +135 at time. Told him save your money.
We win I text him again...I’m sorry. He said it’s ok at least Richmond is now in the dance. I’m like what?
Turns out he thought it was a ncaa play in game. So it was doubly depressing. 1 bc I then had to explain no it was the measly NIT & that we should have been in NCAA. 2 bc he thought I guess we were a 16 seed & i had to explain a team like Richmond or our league would virtually never be a 16 seed.
Get some damn respect back on our name Spiders after 10 years!
We win I text him again...I’m sorry. He said it’s ok at least Richmond is now in the dance. I’m like what?
Turns out he thought it was a ncaa play in game. So it was doubly depressing. 1 bc I then had to explain no it was the measly NIT & that we should have been in NCAA. 2 bc he thought I guess we were a 16 seed & i had to explain a team like Richmond or our league would virtually never be a 16 seed.
Get some damn respect back on our name Spiders after 10 years!
you sure you want to vouch for him as a big sports fan who knows sports?
hey it’s my anecdote get your own! Yeah he’s a pro guy he’s from Boston they don’t know college sports well up there. Don’t worry I gave him some heat too but the Spids r still not helping matters.
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