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Thoughts on our Athletic Direct Hardt

Hardt's decision making is going to be based on what is in the best interest of the team, what keeps the senior administration of the University, board of Trustees, major donors and fans happy. Not sure how to weight each in importance, although I believe each of these groups have a much more positive view on Mooney than this Forum. If they didn't he would not still be the coach. It is probably because their evaluation factors are different than those of people on this board.

I have not seen any numbers on giving towards the athletic department, but I would think they are up over the past couple years. I also think we will have the highest attendance in years for games next season assuming there are no attendance restrictions.
Out of curiosity, why do you think giving is up? There are a lot of fans here, including relatively mild ones, who have publicly stated they stopped donating. While I’d agree that this board is likely not a microcosm of the donor community, my guess is it’s not massively uncorrelated.

Between that and general malaise over covid, I actually would expect donations to be down across the board, not up.
 
Out of curiosity, why do you think giving is up? There are a lot of fans here, including relatively mild ones, who have publicly stated they stopped donating. While I’d agree that this board is likely not a microcosm of the donor community, my guess is it’s not massively uncorrelated.

Between that and general malaise over covid, I actually would expect donations to be down across the board, not up.
I think it is way up for the basketball program. Most of which went to the Queally Athletic Center. I know many on this board did not donated, but a lot of other people did. There are a lot of people excited about the basketball program.
 
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Hardt's decision making is going to be based on what is in the best interest of the team, what keeps the senior administration of the University, board of Trustees, major donors and fans happy. Not sure how to weight each in importance, although I believe each of these groups have a much more positive view on Mooney than this Forum. If they didn't he would not still be the coach. It is probably because their evaluation factors are different than those of people on this board.

I have not seen any numbers on giving towards the athletic department, but I would think they are up over the past couple years. I also think we will have the highest attendance in years for games next season assuming there are no attendance restrictions.
Nowhere in your post did you mention metrics such as the usual standards of performance, success, failure, conf championships, NCAA appearances, beating VCU. Maybe they are mutually exclusive with the entities listed in your first paragraph? I guess their happiness matters more?
 
I think it is way up for the basketball program. Most of which went to the Queally Athletic Center. I know many on this board did not donated, but a lot of other people did. There are a lot of people excited about the basketball program.
Do you think it or do you know it? Not trying to be confrontational, I’m genuinely curious if this is the case. I’d be surprised.
 
Nowhere in your post did you mention metrics such as the usual standards of performance, success, failure, conf championships, NCAA appearances, beating VCU. Maybe they are mutually exclusive with the entities listed in your first paragraph? I guess their happiness matters more

Do you think it or do you know it? Not trying to be confrontational, I’m genuinely curious if this is the case. I’d be surprised.
MrTbone, I do not know specifics. I do know that the building is completed and they would not have built it if they didn't have most of the money pledged. I made a donation at the end of last year and when I donated it sounded like they had a lot of $25,000 pledges and up.
 
We are capable of building nice facilities. Spending a ton of money. Fundraising and getting great degrees. The final product is get new alumni. The alumni are getting older not younger.
 
What are they excited about? A decade of futility?
I believe the people who are positive focus on the belief we have significantly improved recruiting starting with Grant’s and Sherod’s class and now have the best depth potentially in the history of U of R. This led to the 2019/2020 season, where the team tied the record for most regular seasons wins in school history and had one of the highest commuter ratings in program history. That year should have been are 4th at large selection in school history. Last year despite Sherod out for the season, we had a terrific start with some quality wins and reached our best national ranking in school history, before a couple Covid stoppages and injuries tanked the season. This coming season we are going to have a very strong team and I think or depth of quality players will give us quality teams for many years to come. Go Spiders!
 
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Nowhere in your post did you mention metrics such as the usual standards of performance, success, failure, conf championships, NCAA appearances, beating VCU. Maybe they are mutually exclusive with the entities listed in your first paragraph? I guess their happiness matters more?
Spider Guy, do you assume that every player that is eligible to play at VCU can also be eligible to play at UR?
I think most of us have our doubts.
 
We are capable of building nice facilities. Spending a ton of money. Fundraising and getting great degrees. The final product is get new alumni. The alumni are getting older not younger.
Actually, isn't our alumni base getting younger? Recent graduating classes are much bigger than those classes from the 1940s and 1950s that are losing members every year as they age. There are probably more living UR graduates now than at any time in school history.
 
Spider Guy, do you assume that every player that is eligible to play at VCU can also be eligible to play at UR?
I think most of us have our doubts.
We don’t need to have VCUs admission standards to be successful. Plenty of examples out there to this effect.

If we’re going to play that card we may as well just move to the Patriot League. Not psyched about that prospect.
 
I believe the people who are positive focus on the belief we have significantly improved recruiting starting with Grant’s and Sherod’s class and now have the best depth potentially in the history of U of R. This led to the 2019/2020 season, where the team tied the record for most regular seasons wins in school history and had one of the highest commuter ratings in program history. That year should have been are 4th at large selection in school history. Last year despite Sherod out for the season, we had a terrific start with some quality wins and reached our best national ranking in school history, before a couple Covid stoppages and injuries tanked the season. This coming season we are going to have a very strong team and I think or depth of quality players will give us quality teams for many years to come. Go Spiders!
This post pisses me off. The results haven’t shown no matter what you want to put out there. Who gives a F*CK about computer rankings. Man we oughta hang a banner for that one!
 
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We don’t need to have VCUs admission standards to be successful. Plenty of examples out there to this effect.

If we’re going to play that card we may as well just move to the Patriot League. Not psyched about that prospect.
You don’t seem to be Spider Guy, but besides that, are we going to use our record against
VCU as our measure of success? I don’t doubt that there are a lot of valid goals and successes at
VCU. But shouldn’t we be aiming to maintain a higher standard?
 
The entire university appears to operate in a vacuum, disassociated from the rest of the world. Talk about a bubble. At some point, you would think those in charge would open their eyes, look around and ask how many other schools at our level of athletic competition have had the same basketball coach for 16 straight years with only two tournament appearances, then ask themselves why we are the only one.
 
You don’t seem to be Spider Guy, but besides that, are we going to use our record against
VCU as our measure of success? I don’t doubt that there are a lot of valid goals and successes at
VCU. But shouldn’t we be aiming to maintain a higher standard?
I think it’s arguable, but a lot of alumni/fans regard the city rivalry as a core barometer of performance. Is your argument that it doesn’t matter?

I don’t know what you mean by “aiming to maintain a higher standard”. I interpret that to mean some kind of academic standard which we already maintain compared to VCU. I’m not advocating we lower it, it’s by recent accounts fairly reasonable.

I would argue we should be maintaining a higher standard for basketball success, as measured by conference championships and ncaa tournament appearances.
 
I believe the people who are positive focus on the belief we have significantly improved recruiting starting with Grant’s and Sherod’s class and now have the best depth potentially in the history of U of R. This led to the 2019/2020 season, where the team tied the record for most regular seasons wins in school history and had one of the highest commuter ratings in program history. That year should have been are 4th at large selection in school history. Last year despite Sherod out for the season, we had a terrific start with some quality wins and reached our best national ranking in school history, before a couple Covid stoppages and injuries tanked the season. This coming season we are going to have a very strong team and I think or depth of quality players will give us quality teams for many years to come. Go Spiders!
So correct me if I misinterpret your post. Since we have increased the level of our recruiting (which I believe also) and it takes 2 to 3 years for that to truly impact a program (except for rare 4 and 5 stars) we should now be in a cycle of competing for the top 3/4 spots in the A-10 every season. The only exceptions should be excessive injuries, or highly unusual circumstances such as COVID affecting us at a much higher level than our competitors. In short we have all the pieces in place to achieve regular top 3/4 level teams in the A-10.
 
If recruiting takes 3-4 years to show up in the win column then where we are makes prefect sense. Our last 4 classes according to 247 have been ranked; 5th, 7th, 8th and 4th in the A10. That isn’t good enough. 247 is pretty accurate for the most part in projecting players even more so on the football side. During the same period of time I referenced above vcu, Davidson, Dayton, URI, and SLU have consistently been ranked towards the top of the A10 in recruiting each year and have with no surprise finished towards the top of the overall standings each year too. Recruiting matters and we finish somewhere in the middle as shown by these rankings, as a result we finish towards the middle of the conference each year.
 
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I can agree with that, fan1. We were 2nd 2 years ago, and let's not forget we very likely finish 3rd last year ( even with 3 covid pauses and multiple injuries) if we would have just had a healthy Blake or Grant for our last game. And, next year, I think we are definitely headed for the top 3 or 4 spots. I don't think there is any question our program is in a real good spot right now.
 
I can agree with that, fan1. We were 2nd 2 years ago, and let's not forget we very likely finish 3rd last year ( even with 3 covid pauses and multiple injuries) if we would have just had a healthy Blake or Grant for our last game. And, next year, I think we are definitely headed for the top 3 or 4 spots. I don't think there is any question our program is in a real good spot right now.
A. We weren't 3rd, we were 8th.
B. Even if Grant and Blake were healthy for the last game, we were out of the at large picture by the time of their injury, so even if we finished 3rd, who really gives a shit about that, we are still going to play in the NIT.

I am continually befuddled as to why some people have to invent a narratives to explain what we might have been and instead of just going with who we actually showed ourselves to be. Which is a team that was Top 25 preseason and early in the season (without Sherod), who ended the season not anywhere close to the NCAA tournament.
 
Actually, isn't our alumni base getting younger? Recent graduating classes are much bigger than those classes from the 1940s and 1950s that are losing members every year as they age. There are probably more living UR graduates now than at any time in school history.

If you look around the Robins Center or Stadium in a normal year (or at any Spider Club event that I've attended over the last 20 years), the attending demographics don't seem to fit that data. Better way to talk about it might be actively engaged in supporting athletics alumni.
 
A. We weren't 3rd, we were 8th.
B. Even if Grant and Blake were healthy for the last game, we were out of the at large picture by the time of their injury, so even if we finished 3rd, who really gives a shit about that, we are still going to play in the NIT.

I am continually befuddled as to why some people have to invent a narratives to explain what we might have been and instead of just going with who we actually showed ourselves to be. Which is a team that was Top 25 preseason and early in the season (without Sherod), who ended the season not anywhere close to the NCAA tournament.

do fanbases of other middling college basketball programs do this shit? it's honestly pathetic.
 
The entire university appears to operate in a vacuum, disassociated from the rest of the world. Talk about a bubble.
Completely agree. Just look at how they are handling renaming a couple buildings. Now, whether you agree or disagree with renaming buildings; the decision to do such a thing in this current environment on a college campus of all places is pretty much the easiest lay-up of a decision that you could make.

The reaction to the renaming should have also been predicted, the fact that it wasn't or wasn't taken into account is also concerning. And now the Board has to backtrack and will end up reversing the decision that they just made and had they thought for I don't know more than 10 seconds about it, they would have realized what would have happened and avoided looking like a bunch of tone deaf doofuses.

And of course, who is leading the Board, PQ, Mooney's savior and protector. So, yeah, it all kind of makes sense why everything in our athletic department doesn't make sense and is tone deaf. Look at who is leading that as well. Same guy. Are you surprised, you really shouldn't be.

Eight Legger, you nailed it. It is a god damn bubble. They have enough people like UR80 blowing smoke up their asses, saying everything is great, meanwhile, the rest of us, are like what the hell is going on, how can they not see what is happening right before their very own eyes. Insular, tone deaf, and the luxury of being protected by a huge wads of money so they can continue to make tone deaf decisions without real world impacts.
 
Completely agree. Just look at how they are handling renaming a couple buildings. Now, whether you agree or disagree with renaming buildings; the decision to do such a thing in this current environment on a college campus of all places is pretty much the easiest lay-up of a decision that you could make.

The reaction to the renaming should have also been predicted, the fact that it wasn't or wasn't taken into account is also concerning. And now the Board has to backtrack and will end up reversing the decision that they just made and had they thought for I don't know more than 10 seconds about it, they would have realized what would have happened and avoided looking like a bunch of tone deaf doofuses.

And of course, who is leading the Board, PQ, Mooney's savior and protector. So, yeah, it all kind of makes sense why everything in our athletic department doesn't make sense and is tone deaf. Look at who is leading that as well. Same guy. Are you surprised, you really shouldn't be.

Eight Legger, you nailed it. It is a god damn bubble. They have enough people like UR80 blowing smoke up their asses, saying everything is great, meanwhile, the rest of us, are like what the hell is going on, how can they not see what is happening right before their very own eyes. Insular, tone deaf, and the luxury of being protected by a huge wads of money so they can continue to make tone deaf decisions without real world impacts.
Winning post of the day! Great perspective and right on target.
 
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This coming season we are going to have a very strong team and I think or depth of quality players will give us quality teams for many years to come. Go Spiders!

But how come our lack of depth ended up biting us in the rear end at the end of the season? How many "best team ever" classes do we have to have in order to maintain mediocrity?
 
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If you look around the Robins Center or Stadium in a normal year (or at any Spider Club event that I've attended over the last 20 years), the attending demographics don't seem to fit that data. Better way to talk about it might be actively engaged in supporting athletics alumni.
That may well be true.

One thing I have noticed is, fewer alums seem to be staying around the Richmond area compared to when I was in school. The classmates notes in the UR Magazine are not scientific research, but it seems as if many of our 21st-century graduates - a far-higher percentage of whom are not native Virginians than when I was in school - are finding jobs in Boston, NYC, DC and other metro areas, perhaps closer to where they grew up.

So, while our alumni base is getting younger, it is becoming much less concentrated on the Richmond area. When I moved to Oregon (1984), there were about 10 alums in-state, according to the alumni guide from that era. That number is well over 100 or 150 now, primarily fueled by the growth of the Portland metro area.

I'd love to see a UR alumni diaspora map from 1980 compared to 2020.

All that said, nothing fuels alumni engagement like winning. Which we have not done enough of lately.
 
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That may well be true.

One thing I have noticed is, fewer alums seem to be staying around the Richmond area compared to when I was in school. The classmates notes in the UR Magazine are not scientific research, but it seems as if many of our 21st-century graduates - a far-higher percentage of whom are not native Virginians than when I was in school - are finding jobs in Boston, NYC, DC and other metro areas, perhaps closer to where they grew up.

So, while our alumni base is getting younger, it is becoming much less concentrated on the Richmond area. When I moved to Oregon (1984), there were about 10 alums in-state, according to the alumni guide from that era. That number is well over 100 or 150 now, primarily fueled by the growth of the Portland metro area.

I'd love to see a UR alumni diaspora map from 1980 compared to 2020.

All that said, nothing fuels alumni engagement like winning. Which we have not done enough of lately.
Hard to blame them for getting out of Richmond.
 
That may well be true.

One thing I have noticed is, fewer alums seem to be staying around the Richmond area compared to when I was in school. The classmates notes in the UR Magazine are not scientific research, but it seems as if many of our 21st-century graduates - a far-higher percentage of whom are not native Virginians than when I was in school - are finding jobs in Boston, NYC, DC and other metro areas, perhaps closer to where they grew up.

So, while our alumni base is getting younger, it is becoming much less concentrated on the Richmond area. When I moved to Oregon (1984), there were about 10 alums in-state, according to the alumni guide from that era. That number is well over 100 or 150 now, primarily fueled by the growth of the Portland metro area.

I'd love to see a UR alumni diaspora map from 1980 compared to 2020.

All that said, nothing fuels alumni engagement like winning. Which we have not done enough of lately.
There are probably a lot more students coming from out of state now due to an increase in academic profile over the years.
 
All that said, nothing fuels alumni engagement like winning. Which we have not done enough of lately.
That's the bottom line. And relying merely on UR graduates from a 3K enrollment base? You need more than that. Example is I'm the die-hard Spider b-ball fan and my son the graduate could care less these days. Why? Mooney still coach! Understandable. I don't even get on him any more about not watching the games.

So back to needing more than UR alumni supporting the team. I know Duke's enrollment probably twice that of UR, but all those hats, shirts, etc. etc. etc I see around the country you would think they had a 30K students on campus. No, plenty of Duke fans that wish they were graduates. So these days more UR graduates leave the greater Richmond area.

Above good news I would think that they could spread the word (wearing UR garb all the time) of the exciting and winning (NCAA bids) basketball team. Along the lines say of the Mormon mission. LOL. And how many greater Richmond residents (not graduates) would want to get behind the Spiders instead of those across town if UR b-ball results were positive. Plenty I surmise but there probably embarrassed to wear anything Spider around town. Like some of the small number of UR alumni in the area.
 
UR has plenty of issues with fan engagement and I think the direction of the school plays a big part in that. I don’t know anyone my age that went to UR outside of being a student athlete. All the UR people I know for the most part are my dads age and older, I know my dad said when he went to UR the number of in state people was going down but it isn’t as bad as it is now. I don’t want to sound like front royal and complain that UR should only allow southern Baptist, in state kids but he has the right idea, just not that extreme. I’ll be honest I would have gone to UR if I knew I could have gotten in but I knew from about 8th grade on that it wasn’t going to happen so I didn’t pursue that at all. Now I do think if I had tried a little bit harder academically I could have made it happen because high school isn’t that hard, well at least mine wasn’t. I think someone like me would have brought a lot of value to UR because I grew up a huge fan and would have only continued that school pride as a student which is something that the student body seriously lacks there now. Kids like me would have stayed in the Richmond area too after graduation and would be very active alumni and I think would help solve a lot of the issues with fan and alumni engagement that we see now. I’m not suggesting that UR completely lower their academic standards but just try to be more accessible to in state kids and not be the elitist institution that so many people in Virginia see it as.

Why do you think so many people around the state and the city hate UR? It’s because they see it as this snooty, uppity, exclusive institution that alienates anyone who isn’t like them. This problem will only get worse as time goes on and will take a while to fix because they damage has already been done. I have said this before but my kids likely won’t be Spider fans growing up as I was, they will be Hokie fans instead and probably really big fans like me. How many other families in Virginia has this probably happened to with UR? I know of a good many personally and I would venture to say many more. I would actually love to someday help with UR and serve on some kind of board to help fix this situation and I know I’d be very good at it. There are some things that can be done to fix UR’s perception and hopefully Queally possibly leaving will help kick start that process. Get some fresh leadership in and make a change.
 
UR has plenty of issues with fan engagement and I think the direction of the school plays a big part in that. I don’t know anyone my age that went to UR outside of being a student athlete. All the UR people I know for the most part are my dads age and older, I know my dad said when he went to UR the number of in state people was going down but it isn’t as bad as it is now. I don’t want to sound like front royal and complain that UR should only allow southern Baptist, in state kids but he has the right idea, just not that extreme. I’ll be honest I would have gone to UR if I knew I could have gotten in but I knew from about 8th grade on that it wasn’t going to happen so I didn’t pursue that at all. Now I do think if I had tried a little bit harder academically I could have made it happen because high school isn’t that hard, well at least mine wasn’t. I think someone like me would have brought a lot of value to UR because I grew up a huge fan and would have only continued that school pride as a student which is something that the student body seriously lacks there now. Kids like me would have stayed in the Richmond area too after graduation and would be very active alumni and I think would help solve a lot of the issues with fan and alumni engagement that we see now. I’m not suggesting that UR completely lower their academic standards but just try to be more accessible to in state kids and not be the elitist institution that so many people in Virginia see it as.

Why do you think so many people around the state and the city hate UR? It’s because they see it as this snooty, uppity, exclusive institution that alienates anyone who isn’t like them. This problem will only get worse as time goes on and will take a while to fix because they damage has already been done. I have said this before but my kids likely won’t be Spider fans growing up as I was, they will be Hokie fans instead and probably really big fans like me. How many other families in Virginia has this probably happened to with UR? I know of a good many personally and I would venture to say many more. I would actually love to someday help with UR and serve on some kind of board to help fix this situation and I know I’d be very good at it. There are some things that can be done to fix UR’s perception and hopefully Queally possibly leaving will help kick start that process. Get some fresh leadership in and make a change.
? It’s because they see it as this snooty, uppity, exclusive institution that alienates anyone who isn’t like them.
Funny, when I went to Richmond in the late 60‘s and early 70’s people thought the same thing about us.
When was there a period of time that our small, private, university wasn’t thought about this way among “others”
in Richmond?
 
UR's percentage of in-state students has generally been in the 15-17% range for at least 30 years. It dipped to 14% for the current first-year class, but not sure if that's the start of a trend, random variation, or some COVID-related effect.
 
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