Spider All-Time Basketball records

[UR80sfan]

Not sure if post season counts, but with 5 games remaining Gilyard needs 13 steals to tie Tony Dobbin's single season record of 85 steals and Golden needs 95 points to tie Mike Perry points record for a freshman. He should easily finish at least 2nd all-time for a freshman. 2 more things to cheer on as the season comes to a close. Look forward to seeing them play 3 more years!

 

[spiderman]

post season counts.

 

[urmite]

Now I am going to (slightly) rain on the parade.

I wish Records were kept - per season, per game, and per minute.

Doesn't change how well both are doing but would clarify

For instance

Perry
26 games 992 minutes 494 point

Golden
25 Games 777 Minutes 399 Points (so less per game but more per minute)

Does Golden's 9 Games 68 Minutes 18 Points last year count?

Senior
Dobbins
33 games 1139 minutes 85 steals
Beckwith
29 games 1033 minutes 77 steals

Freshman
Gilyard
25 Games 912 Minutes 72 Steals

 

[spiderman]

Golden's games last year happened. they count.

which reminds me. I don't know if I already typed this or just thought in in my head, so apologies but ...

against the argument that guys don't improve much without playing. compare Grant pre-heart condition last year to what he was starting this year. part of it is opportunity with TJ gone, but there was a whole new level of strength, quickness, conditioning and confidence that we didn't see before. guys can make big strides without playing time.

 

[spider fan]

Mike Perry played when a basket from anywhere on the court other than shooting free throws counted as 2 points.

 

[97spiderfan]

A record is a record but the game and the number of games we play now versus 30 years ago makes any comparison fairly obsolete.

 

[fan2011]

A record is a record but the game and the number of games we play now versus 30 years ago makes any comparison fairly obsolete.

Very true. urmite wants per game and per minute records, but per possession records would be more enlightening. The speed of the game has gone up and down a number of times throughout college basketball history.

 

[spider fan]

Yes and any discussion of points scored brings up the dynamic that our leading all time scoring Johnny Newman had 933 made field goals and 517 made free throws for a total of 2383 points. Second leading scorer Kevin Anderson had 944 made field goals of which 176 were 3 pointers and 453 made free throws for a total of 2165 points. Mike Perry had 2145 points while like Newman not having the benefit of 3 pointers. Much has changed and comparing records from one era to another leaves some unanswered dynamics...............number of games and no 3 pointers are the most obvious................

 

[spiderman]

different eras make comparisons tough. I don't necessarily buy into the 3 point line adding scoring. it changed it, though. Maravich averaged 44 ppg at LSU with no 3 point line. I don't think he'd score more today with the line.

but as for Gilyard ... the total number of steals maybe difficult to compare, but he's #6 in the whole country and he's just a freshman. that means something, and I assume it's a higher rank than either Beck or Dobbins had. especially as freshmen.

 

[SFspidur]

I like this ranking too...among currently active players, Gilyard ranks third in career steals per game. Beard, Chartouny, and Gilyard are in a class by themselves.

https://stats.ncaa.org/active_career_leaders/view_rankings?id=1574552

Still hard to get a long-term read on Gilyard and Beard though considering the small sample sizes. On the one hand, you'd think the average might go up over time as the player improves (as Chartouny has), but on the other hand, there's also the tendency to revert toward the mean as sample size increases. (Beard is a junior, but a JUCO so this is his first year.)

 

[spider fan]

different eras make comparisons tough. I don't necessarily buy into the 3 point line adding scoring. it changed it, though. Maravich averaged 44 ppg at LSU with no 3 point line. I don't think he'd score more today with the line.
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Pistol Pete is in a category by himself as the all time leading Division 1 scorer with 3,667 points and 44 ppg.....................................

 

[urmite]

Golden's games last year happened. they count.

which reminds me. I don't know if I already typed this or just thought in in my head, so apologies but ...

against the argument that guys don't improve much without playing. compare Grant pre-heart condition last year to what he was starting this year. part of it is opportunity with TJ gone, but there was a whole new level of strength, quickness, conditioning and confidence that we didn't see before. guys can make big strides without playing time.

I was really wondering if he got 495 points this year as a freshman that it wasn't a freshman record because he got 18 points last year as a freshman. What will the record book show?

 

[urmite]

Very true. urmite wants per game and per minute records, but per possession records would be more enlightening. The speed of the game has gone up and down a number of times throughout college basketball history.

Maybe so but who has access to per possession statistics from 1978?
It looks like both Perry & Beckwith minute totals were lost for their junior year...

 

[VT_Spider]

My dad always told me that Newman would have had a lot more points with the three point line.

 

[spiderman]

the shot clock had a much bigger impact on scoring than the 3 point line.

 

[Eight Legger]

I was really wondering if he got 495 points this year as a freshman that it wasn't a freshman record because he got 18 points last year as a freshman. What will the record book show?

Last year's points don't count for Golden. They were all awarded to Johnson, since he is numerically the closest player to Golden on the roster.

 

[spiderman]

lol. I say give them to Paul since he's the closest size-wise.

 

[SpiderChaz]

The record book should show the following...Grant's career points would be this year + 18 and he's played two seasons at Richmond. Single-season freshman record would be just this year compared to just Mike Perry's first season.

A-10 tournament/NCAA/NIT all count towards this year's numbers. The 2011 team still has many of the all-time team records based on cumulative stats because of all the games they played, but there are breakdowns for per game team records in the record book as well.

 

[SpiderChaz]

Realistically...Grant's 18 points should be his freshman single-season total. It shouldn't be this year's total for record book purposes. But if a guy is eligible to win A-10 Freshman of the Year and such honors, then you can kind of fudge it to say this year's numbers are his freshman numbers.

 

[UR80sfan]

A red shirt freshman is considered a freshman and a record is a record. Grant's has good shot at breaking the single season scoring record for a freshman, but not average points per game as a freshman. He is a terrific player and will end up being one of the best to wear a UR uniform.

Gilyard is just incredible. We are talking about his accomplishment for the season, but he just keeps getting better and better. The second half of the season is not only dominating the A10 in steals, but also ranks as one of the top in assists and assists to turnovers.

 

[UR80sfan]

Gilyard has a good chance to pass Beckwith for 2nd place in steals for a season this weekend. He needs 2 to tie. He also needs 10 over next 4 games to tie the record.

 

[Gospiders06]

Was giving up a 103 points in a game a record to?

 

[SFspidur]

UNC dropped 127 on us in 1965.

Interestingly, GW scored 118 against us in 1971. We just squeaked over the century mark ourselves in that one though.

 

[Spideroldie]

A lot of posters on this board had been complaining about how poor our "recruiting" has been. Given that we have two guys starting on this team as freshmen who have a shot at all-time UR records, I would think this may suggest that they have some talent and that the recruiting in THEIR case was fully satisfactory. And, I also doubt anyone would complain that Buck and Nick were not excellent recruits. The complaints now are all about depth. However, next season we bring in 4 new guys, three of whom have red-shirted and should be able to add significant depth. If depth is the only problem this season, then we should be fine next season.

However, the bench-coaching, and the teaching of offensive and defensive systems, seems to me to be the FAR bigger issue. Coach Beilein could take our current roster (+ Sal) to the top of the A-10 next season. Will our current staff be able to do the same? I would like to dream, but there has been far too much contact with reality lately. I don't see us realizing the potential of our roster until we shake things up, one way or another.

 

[MrTbone]

I think we have good starting players. I also think we are very undersized in our starting 5. It’s hard to coach a small guard to defend a tall forward no matter how good of a small guard he is.

 

[SpiderRick]

If you're going to talk about the recruiting NOT being bad, then you need to talk about all recruits since out last NCAA appearance in 2012.

 

[SpiderK]

Duke only plays 6 and is ranked in top 10 playing much much much better teams than we are. It’s coaching more than talent that has brought us to this point in time. We were NOT ready for the start of the last two seasons and lost to horrible teams. That killed the morale of this young team. TJ and SDJ were good enough to salvage last year and make it respectable.

 

[spider fan]

You can't teach height. Realizing there are but so many "tall" players available, we have been woefully inadequate in recruiting enough tall players to fill our needs. Although Gary Rich was foul prone he was an enforcer and I can only dream about what he could have done to slow down the GW inside onslaught in our last game. It has been a long time since we had an enforcer type player to bring in when needed.

 

[VT_Spider]

Duke only plays 6 and is ranked in top 10 playing much much much better teams than we are. It’s coaching more than talent that has brought us to this point in time. We were NOT ready for the start of the last two seasons and lost to horrible teams. That killed the morale of this young team. TJ and SDJ were good enough to salvage last year and make it respectable.

At our level you do need more than 6 guys who can play. We're not gonna get the one and dones like duke does so we just need a roster of about 8 really solid guys who can play.

 

[SpiderK]

At our level you do need more than 6 guys who can play. We're not gonna get the one and dones like duke does so we just need a roster of about 8 really solid guys who can play.

My point is, look at the trash teams we are playing. All relative.

 

[whampas]

You can't teach height. Realizing there are but so many "tall" players available, we have been woefully inadequate in recruiting enough tall players to fill our needs. Although Gary Rich was foul prone he was an enforcer and I can only dream about what he could have done to slow down the GW inside onslaught in our last game. It has been a long time since we had an enforcer type player to bring in when needed.

You're right but you can recruit height. Mooney's self inflicted systems and skill requirements reduce his ability to recruit height. He wants every player to have the skills of a guard. He says so all the time. Well guess what? You wind up with a bunch of guards. 6'4" guards great but they don't make great forwards.

 

[Eight Legger]

Although Gary Rich was foul prone he was an enforcer and I can only dream about what he could have done to slow down the GW inside onslaught in our last game.

Probably not much. He's gotta be 50-something by now.

 

[UR80sfan]

In addition to hopefully winning the 1st game of the tournament, there is a good chance Gilyard ties (2) and sets (3) the single season steel record and Grant sets the freshman points total for a season. I think he needs 16 points. I am sure these guys would appreciate some applause if they do set the records.

 

[SpiderTrap]

It is difficult to say that because these frosh might make it high on the all time records list, that means it was a good recruiting class. They are playing this year and playing lots of minutes because there is no one else to play. We have no depth and we are not a very good team (11-19 record overall). So you have to be careful and differentiate between who is a good player and would play even if we had a better team, and who is just a good player getting lots of minutes and stats for a bad team. Because every bad team will have guys who can score, get points, rebounds, etc.

Take Grant for example - he has a very good season and it would have been interesting to see him last season play with Cline. But truth is - before his injury last year, he hardly played. I have no doubt that Grant is a key piece to this team and very good player, but some part of his numbers and statistics this year can be warranted to the fact we are so bad that someone has to score. I would not put him as an all-time great just because he ends up high in those categories, you have to take into consideration how good was the team as well.

 

[SFspidur]

Gilyard got his two steals to tie the season record. Golden had 10 points, so he needs 6 tomorrow to set the freshman record.

 

[SFspidur]

Gilyard with an early steal to claim the record with 86.

 

[Spiders05]

Still not good enough for all-defensive team. Please. Come back when you DO something...

 

[kneepadmckinney]

I kinda like it that Gilyard got slighted from all-defensive and all-rookie. Chip on the shoulder playing style, even more than he already does. I feel like that's what the head-tapping was after 3 pointers in the tournament.

 

[UR80sfan]

I believe 2 records were set in yesterday's game, Gilyard's single season steels record and Grant's most points by a freshman. Congratulations to both of you! You guys are exciting to watch and bring joy to thousands of fans.

 

[SpiderRick]

Gilyard got 20 and 17 points in the tournament, he is a legitimate offense threat. But we had several games in which he didn't hardly take a shot in the first half, and didn't come to life until we got way behind. I would love to see him be more assertive early on, ala Cedric Lindsay.