But to think what Mooney said would have anything to do with Hardt's decision is ridiculous. Hardt knew who we had coming back.
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But to think what Mooney said would have anything to do with Hardt's decision is ridiculous. Hardt knew who we had coming back.
He didn't say all you he had to do. But you're naive if you think those things weren't pushed hard publicly for the keep coach narrative. Whether that was all Mooney feeling some heat or just as likely he was directed by Hardt to do it to build up the so called advantages publicly. Hey Chris get out in front of this one early and make it easier on me so I'm NOT taking the heat. Bob Black got in on the bait and switch strategy later too with the schedule nonsense. All were either dialed back or untruthful.
Which has nothing to do with saying something and thinking that will affect an AD's decision. Wouldn't any coach talk up his team? And, again, it's not like he said anything crazy. When else have we had five talented starters from the same class return like this?
I think it did. After the season they discussed the class and other issues in private.
You guys love conspiracy theories. Like they all got together and had a big plan to fool the fans. Come on.
The reason he retained Coach Mooney was due to the experienced class that he was returning. Hardt said it himself. Now what we need to see is if the class lives up to those high expectations. I for one do not think Mooney is being a salesman. I think he believes what he is saying. Someone told me that Coach Mooney travelled around to discuss the future with players and their families. He took responsibility for last season and wants to have a big year.
I'm sure he believes it at some level. The point is that in 14 years he has never once publicly made definitive declarations about anything... Until his job was on the line.
Sure he has. He has praised his players a lot over 14 years. Giving them high high praise at times. You have an agenda so you're making a big deal out of a simple statement.
Show me the last time he said any player was the best or any schedule was the best, or we have a specific goal to win the regular season or win the league tourney, etc. I'll wait.
Why are you so hung up on saying that he should have already said exactly what he said in the past? Is he not allowed to say anything new? I don't even know what you are trying to argue. He made a comment about these specific players because he feels that way. He's not alone. A lot of us feel that way. He always comments on our players. He always comments on our schedule. That's what coaches do. I just don't get what you are arguing about. No matter what he says, you will get on him for that. Same with Hardt. You just don't have any credibility when you complain about everything, especially the tiniest little things.
I've been a Spiders fan for 25 years and on these boards for most of them. I'm not worried about my credibility with you.
He certainly has as much credibility as someone who blows sunshine each and every day no matter the subject.
10-3 OOC
10-8 A-10
20-11 4 seed in the NIT
Mooney gets 5 more years. Us fans get very sore bung holes.
10-8 A-10
20-11 4 seed in the NIT
Mooney gets 5 more years. Us fans get very sore bung holes.
All of us would like to get the 3rd at large bid to the NCAA in school history, but a majority of fans and the administration would also be happy with the scenario you described. The University's goals for the basketball program and some of the hard core fans on this board are not the same, which creates a lot of tension on this board.
If we achieved what is above it would be better than the preseason expectation of most of the people on this board and probably match the expectations of the more optimistic members.
As far as Mooney goes, the most likely outcome is a rolling 4 year contract which he get's either the end of this year or next year. There is a small possibility they let his contract expire and do not renew. It is very unlikely he will be terminated.
"Competing for Conference Championships and getting to the NCAA" is their stated expectation, which is incompatible with that scenario.
I hope you are right Choppin, but to be a consistent NCAA team, I think Basketball needs to be made a priority of the school with relaxed admission standard verses other sports like Georgetown and Duke. Maybe with this new athletic director we are moving in that direction.
Whatever. If that is the case why do we even care? Actually that record likely wouldnt make the NIT unless some of the A-10 wins are against Dayton or VCU.
Not necessarily. How about that you start by making the coach accountable for his failings and shortcomings? And if the AD cant see them then hire an AD who specializes in basketball knowledge.
Beating VCU won't get us squat this year. I think we can beat them twice. They are not as good as advertised.
If you heard Hardt on the radio the other day it was obvious he is smitten with Mooney mediocrity and in lock step with Quealls. Not a hoops guy, or not his priority anyway. Freaking Jabba. Oh well. It's nice I have my SDSU Aztecs to root for this year. Their old coach does not have 1/10 of Mooney's entitlement. Love the Mooney entitlement.
Yea UR basketball should be taken with a lime and a beer chaser. I’ve got SJU to root for, a program that cant consistently win but when it isnt working they arent afraid to make a move quick. This year I think they finally got a coach who can coach. Beat WV and Arizona in a week.
Not so sure about that. If we played there schedule we would not have close to 10 wins. Do u realize we just lost to Radford? Do u think VCU would have lost to Radford?
VCU has beaten St Francis, North Texas, LSU, Jacksonville State, Florida Gulf Coast, Alabama State, ODU, Missouri State, and Charleston. The only win that might be considered better than any of our wins is LSU, and LSU was definitely overrated (they’re 7-4 with no great wins). VCU is definitely being overrated just off of name recognition.
If we play like we did last night they will run us out of Richmond. Things don't change just because you want them to. Go do it, then talk.
I agree with you. Just pointing out that VCU isn’t some unbeatable foe
They haven’t been an unbeatable foe in the past either but Mooney is 6-18 against them all-time.
VCU has a huge recruiting advantage over U of R. Dick Tarrant had a bad record against them and I would argue that the average quality of VCU's teams has been higher during the Mooney years. We should replicate what VCU is doing if we want to be as good as them.
"Huge" recruiting advantage? Please. Mooney had a 7 year head start in the Atlantic 10.
If we're going to keep trotting out that excuse, we shouldn't be in the Atlantic 10.
If we're going to keep trotting out that excuse, we shouldn't be in the Atlantic 10.
Choppin, if that is the case why did Tarrant have such a bad record against VCU? Also, what percent of the VCU basketball team do you think could have made it past our admissions department? We have a very high quality team the next 2 years, but historically the schools priorities for basketball were to have good student athletes that fit into the U of R culture, not the best basketball players possible.
My personal goal for the program is to do whatever it takes to be a consistent top 25 team, however I understand that is not the goal of the university and therefore I just my goals to be inline with what is currently achievable.
BTW, I think we can be a top 25 team next year.
I don't see the correlation. Tarrant was not in the Atlantic 10.
I think most of the VCU basketball team could get admitted to UR.
VCU's recruiting advantage is that they actually compete for conference championships and go to the NCAA tournament, while we talk about it.
I think most of the VCU basketball team could get admitted to UR.
VCU's recruiting advantage is that they actually compete for conference championships and go to the NCAA tournament, while we talk about it.
Regarding Tarrant, he actually had a winning record against VCU once we moved to the CAA (and JD Barnett left).
His "bad record" against VCU came in his early years, while we were in the ECAC and JD Barnett was taking VCU to the NCAA tournament 5 out of 6 years. They advanced in 4 of those 5 tourney appearances, and were even a 2 seed (!) in his final season. The quality of VCU's teams in the early 80s was pretty dang high.
The case could easily be made that Tarrant was at more of a recruiting disadvantage in his early years (Sun Belt vs ECAC, plus all of VCU's NCAA success). Mooney's first 7 years should have been an advantage (Atlantic 10 vs CAA).
His "bad record" against VCU came in his early years, while we were in the ECAC and JD Barnett was taking VCU to the NCAA tournament 5 out of 6 years. They advanced in 4 of those 5 tourney appearances, and were even a 2 seed (!) in his final season. The quality of VCU's teams in the early 80s was pretty dang high.
The case could easily be made that Tarrant was at more of a recruiting disadvantage in his early years (Sun Belt vs ECAC, plus all of VCU's NCAA success). Mooney's first 7 years should have been an advantage (Atlantic 10 vs CAA).
Come on Choppin. Tarrant did not beat VCU regularly because he was not in the A-10? VCU wasn't either then. What about the A-10 is this big selling point you think it is anyway? Do you really think A-10 coaches are out there telling recruits, you have to come here because you can play in the A-10 against all these great teams and play at all these great arenas? VCU and George Mason went to the final four and and were not in the A-10. That seems like a better selling point for recruits than, hey come play in the big, bad A-10.
And, of course VCU has a recruiting advantage over us. Any school that will let certain guys in that we would not accept does. This does not mean we can't beat them, or we cannot get great players, because we can beat them and we do have great players. But, come on, let's not pretend they don't have a recruiting advantage when it comes to certain guys.
And, of course VCU has a recruiting advantage over us. Any school that will let certain guys in that we would not accept does. This does not mean we can't beat them, or we cannot get great players, because we can beat them and we do have great players. But, come on, let's not pretend they don't have a recruiting advantage when it comes to certain guys.
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After next year. When Golden, Francis, Gilyard, & Sherod are gone Coach Mooney's typical 18-14 teams will magically re-appear.
I agree that they have an advantage in that they have a larger pool of players due to admissions.
However, when we’re going for the same player, we should be more attractive. Unfortunately, I think we’re losing that battle at the moment, but maybe that’s just my perception.
Can anyone say with certainty that most of VCU's roster would not be admitted to UR? Can anyone say with certainty that *anyone* on VCU's roster would not be admitted to UR?
This whining about the unfairness of it all is so lame and lazy. They don't admit a bunch of dummies.
The point was that Tarrant's record against VCU is irrelevant to today's mythical "huge" disadvantage excuse.
When he took over the program, VCU was a perennial NCAA team. Once he found some success (and it didn't take that long), he was able to achieve a winning record against VCU over the rest of his career.
Happy Holidays to all.
This whining about the unfairness of it all is so lame and lazy. They don't admit a bunch of dummies.
The point was that Tarrant's record against VCU is irrelevant to today's mythical "huge" disadvantage excuse.
When he took over the program, VCU was a perennial NCAA team. Once he found some success (and it didn't take that long), he was able to achieve a winning record against VCU over the rest of his career.
Happy Holidays to all.
